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Parents must be willing to crush athletic dreams to protect their kids

I've been somewhat wondering what I would do to change the culture if I was in charge. One
thing that came to mind was the parents - they seemingly have been left out of the equation so far, and I think it's wrong.

Now, please don't mistake me - I don't think that any parent should feel guilty regarding what Nassar did, that is definitely not what I'm saying. But one example came to mind: the women's 1996 Olympic bronze medalist on the 3m springboard had started in gymnastics, but after watching his daughter fight injury after injury, her father pulled her out of the sport because he didn't think it was a safe sport, and suggested she went into diving instead. Apparently, she was mad at him for months before ultimately trying diving.

I've thought of it myself and I'm sure that had my own father noticed anything unhealthy about an activity I was doing, or that I was not doing well, he would have pulled me out (and in fact he did pull me out of a sport once for a year for health reasons - nothing to do with abuse). However my father had had struggles in his own childhood and I know it would have made him very aware of the middle to long term consequences. There were also several instances where I was uncomfortable or afraid when I was young, but not always able to verbalize it well yet, and I'm so thankful that my parents never insist that I did this or that, or that I kept going to lessons I was scared of "just because you have to learn to finish what you started" (and it certainly made no difference in my ability to commit and persist to reach my goals later in life). I understand other parents may not share the same thinking and/or have good intentions but just get caught up into something they weren't well prepared for and only realized what was going on after their daughter devoted thousands of hours to the sport, at a point where they don't want to be the ones risking their daughter to lose everything.

I'm obviously not saying all parents should take their daughters out of gymnastics. I also understand that gymnasts probably fear talking to their parents precisely because they wouldn't want them to take them out of the sport. But IMO, there is never a good reason for coaches or "coordinators" to yell, verbally abuse and denigrate athletes, and especially not minors. It should never become normality. Parents should never tolerate something like that.

Everyone should be watchdogs in my opinion: federations, coaches and parents, plus all these people should work to build trust with the gymnasts so that they know they have someone to talk to if there is a problem. This way, if there is one broken link in the chain, there should be enough remaining to ensure that no unhealthy situation will last forever.
 
His sentencing hearing for the Twistars abuse started today. The victim count from the MSU clinic, national team, and Twistars is up to 245.
 
There are allegations of sexual misconduct involving the MSU football & basketball teams now.

Shades of Penn State. :rolleyes:
 
@Peaches LaTour Only from ESPN. There were cases where players accused of sexual misconduct were not kicked off the team, but that was only because police investigations turned up nothing. All of these cases were openly reported at the time the occurred and the highest profile ones occurred with e-mail updates to all students, faculty, and alumni. The cases that were not communicated through media were covered heavily in local and university news. ESPN's problem seems to be that these accused players were not kicked off the team. Unlike at PSU, investigations were instigated for all cases under the football/basketball program.

The problem is that the ones that were found guilty were kicked off - ESPN is not mentioning these cases. In fact, the football coach was found to have followed all policies in reporting sexual assault cases. (There's no investigation into the basketball coach yet) Those who were cleared by the police/Title IX were not kicked off - because you can't act on accusation alone, you have to have solid evidence. Particularly at MSU this is due to two things: 1. People advocating for innocence until proven guilty and 2. a culture of giving second chances unless there's a reason not to (ie. proven sexual assault). As for the basketball coach, he didn't kick the guys off because there was no charges filed. At the same time as that case, he kicked three guys off the team for being found with marijuana. He's also known for being incredibly strict about class attendance, player attitude during practice, etc. I have a hard time believing that someone who would kick young men off a team for marijuana or bad class attendance would not kick off people accused of sexual assault if he had good reason to suspect they were guilty (ie. evidence).
If there is evidence of any wrongdoing on their part, I will change my opinion. However you cannot blame them for doing what they did: reporting the cases to the proper authorities and then making a decision based on the results of those investigations.
 
And Atty. Smith seems to have flunked math. He’s been at it for 20 years, if not longer. Assuming an average low patient load of 10 appointments per day, he would have had at least 46,000 opportunities. I’m with the sister survivors who are guessing the total number is over a thousand.
 
I'm thinking (hoping) that someone(s) in prison will take care of Larry so the father(s) don't have to.
I truly understand the feeling, and part of me wishes the same once in a while, but I can't agree.

No one deserves to be raped — not even Larry Nassar
Imagine if corrections officials responsible for Nassar's custody were to take the judge at her word and "allow some or many people to do to him what he did to others." Does Aquilina really believe that a detention facility that condones the gang rape of one inmate would succeed at protecting others whose crimes were less severe?

Prisons where "bad" people get raped tend to be places where "good" people get raped, too.

You cannot condemn rape in one breath and then endorse it in the next. To do so is to promote the idea that there are places in the world where sexual abuse is OK, even encouraged.
A real example: a few years ago in my local news, a case of abuse was reported to have taken place in jail. It turned out later that the prisoner had been taken advantage of by the police because he had a low IQ and got convicted, but he was later found te be completely innocent.
It's better not to sink to the level of these criminals ourselves.
 
I truly understand the feeling, and part of me wishes the same once in a while, but I can't agree.

I am a social worker and have worked with many survivors of sexual assault, DV, etc. so I find it extremely difficult to be kind or objective in my thoughts towards perpetrators.
 
I am a social worker and have worked with many survivors of sexual assault, DV, etc. so I find it extremely difficult to be kind or objective in my thoughts towards perpetrators.

And you understand that there are survivors of sexual assault who are survivors of sexual assault because they were sentenced to prison? Generally for nothing that had anything to do with sexual assault? And you're fine with that if they get the perpetrators of sexual assault, too?
 
I have empathy for the pain of these families, but the father did a disservice to his daughters attacking Nassar in court & I don't consider it heroic like a lot of the commentary currently trending on the internet. Turning it into a court spectacle all about him when his daughters were making statements took away from their opportunity to truly empower themselves. It would have been better for him to stay home if he was so out of control to the point violence was his option. At least he expressed regret for what he did. We had an incident a couple weeks ago at our county courthouse with a fight that broke out in family court & a young man was shot (killed) by law enforcement - what if the same had happened to this father right in front of his daughters & the other victims after all they have already been through?

I also disagreed with the judge in the last case who let the male coach testify as a "victim".
 
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I have empathy for the pain of these families, but the father did a disservice to his daughters attacking Nassar in court & I don't really consider it heroic like a lot of the commentary currently trending on the internet. Turning it into a court spectacle all about him when his daughters were making statements took away from their opportunity to truly empower themselves. It would have been better for him to stay home if he was so out of control to the point violence was his option. At least he expressed regret for what he did. We had an incident a couple weeks ago at our county courthouse with a fight that broke out in family court & a young man was shot (killed) by law enforcement - what if the same had happened to this father right in front of his daughters & the other victims after all they have already been through?

I also disagreed with the judge in the last case who let the male coach testify as a "victim".

Well said.
 
I have empathy for the pain of these families, but the father did a disservice to his daughters attacking Nassar in court & I don't consider it heroic like a lot of the commentary currently trending on the internet. Turning it into a court spectacle all about him when his daughters were making statements took away from their opportunity to truly empower themselves. It would have been better for him to stay home if he was so out of control to the point violence was his option. At least he expressed regret for what he did. We had an incident a couple weeks ago at our county courthouse with a fight that broke out in family court & a young man was shot (killed) by law enforcement - what if the same had happened to this father right in front of his daughters & the other victims after all they have already been through?

I also disagreed with the judge in the last case who let the male coach testify as a "victim".
Sorry but I don't agree with you at all.
 
I feel for the father. From the full context longer clip shown on our local news, he was there to support his daughters who were giving impact statements. He stayed pretty calm through most of it but I could see him getting agitated towards the end of their statements. I think the guy just lost it in the moment. Unfortunately, it’s had the effect of taking away from what went on in court today, but I hope the judge will be able to get things back on track.
 
Yes, he was there to support his daughters but couldn't stay calm anymore after seeing his daughters suffering.
 
From what I’ve heard, the father had no idea of the extent of abuse until he heard his daughters’ statements.
 
I can try to imagine how that must have felt, but if I had been one of his daughters, it would have scared me to watch my father react like that and risk criminal charges. I would be reluctant to open up with him later on, as well, if I know I'm going to have to deal with his reactions instead of getting strong support.
 
I can try to imagine how that must have felt, but if I had been one of his daughters, it would have scared me to watch my father react like that and risk criminal charges. I would be reluctant to open up with him later on, as well, if I know I'm going to have to deal with his reactions instead of getting strong support.

I'm sure this wasn't the first time they've seen his temper. By the time I was their age I was well familiar with my own father's ability to roar like a lion.

I'd be more concerned to see a father NOT want to beat the crap out out a perp who did something like this to his child.
 
I feel sorry for him too, & agree he shouldn't face charges, but thirty six young women testified at the sentencing hearing that day, & the father is the person who made the news everywhere. Reporters said his wife & daughters were crying uncontrollably during the violence & it can be heard on the video, so he contributed to their suffering. His statement of remorse later in the afternoon also made it very clear he felt he took away their thunder. So I guess I don't understand why internet reality TV lovers want to give this behavior a pass or even encourage it. People go to court for rapes, murders, domestic violence & all kinds of horrible things everyday & have to do it without brawling in the courtroom.
 
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I can try to imagine how that must have felt, but if I had been one of his daughters, it would have scared me to watch my father react like that and risk criminal charges. I would be reluctant to open up with him later on, as well, if I know I'm going to have to deal with his reactions instead of getting strong support.

That was a display of unthinking love for his daughters, not some sort of twisted threat towards them.

I really, honestly don’t get some people nowadays, and your post is a prime example of that. I’m not trying to be nasty to you, but I just don’t get where you’re coming from.
 
I'm sure this wasn't the first time they've seen his temper. By the time I was their age I was well familiar with my own father's ability to roar like a lion.

I'd be more concerned to see a father NOT want to beat the crap out out a perp who did something like this to his child.
There is a difference between wanting to beat the crap out of someone, which I'm sure all about 500 parents of the girls who have given impact statement so far have felt to various degrees, and actually attempting to do it in court.

True enough though, coming from either of my parents, such an extreme reaction would have come out of nowhere, which would have made it even worse.

That was a display of unthinking love for his daughters, not some sort of twisted threat towards them.
Obviously. I wasn't saying otherwise.

I really, honestly don’t get some people nowadays, and your post is a prime example of that. I’m not trying to be nasty to you, but I just don’t get where you’re coming from.
I can live with someone not getting me. But if you read the post you quoted, I made no mention of how the father should have or shouldn't have felt. My perspective was how I'm quite sure this would have made me feel if I had been one of his daughters. I've testified in court a couple of years ago for something absolutely trivial and I was nonetheless a little nervous. I would have been anxious like crazy to give an impact statement over sexual abuse publicly. If my mother or father had done something like that on top of it, it would have made the situation exponentially worse for me.

You may still not get me, but I don't think you need to. No one can really judge my level of anxiety, or the kind of support from my parents that would have been helpful or how such "unthinking love" would have been unhelpful for me. That's all I'm saying.
 
@Choupette - that I understand. And this is a problem with internet communication. I read your first post as being critical of him as in he is a scary sort that might hurt his daughters because he had an outburst in court. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
I feel sorry for him too, & agree he shouldn't face charges, but thirty six young women testified at the sentencing hearing that day, & the father is the person who made the news everywhere. Reporters said his wife & daughters were crying uncontrollably during the violence & it can be heard on the video, so he contributed to their suffering. His statement of remorse later in the afternoon also made it very clear he felt he took away their thunder. So I guess I don't understand why internet reality TV lovers want to give this behavior a pass or even encourage it. People go to court for rapes, murders, domestic violence & all kinds of horrible things everyday & have to do it without brawling in the courtroom.

I totally get what you’re saying and I agree with you completely.
 
The sentence for the final series of charges is in... 40-125 years.
 
This article details in depth the delays from both USA Gymnastics and the FBI: As F.B.I. Took a Year to Pursue the Nassar Case, Dozens Say They Were Molested

It's not only USA Gymnastics that has a lot of redesign to do...

@Choupette - that I understand. And this is a problem with internet communication. I read your first post as being critical of him as in he is a scary sort that might hurt his daughters because he had an outburst in court. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
No problem - as long as everyone remains civil enough, there's always a chance to clear things up. This is an especially sensitive topic too, which increases the risks of misunderstandings IMO.
 
Geddert is now under criminal investigation. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...er-investigation-twistars-20180206-story.html
"One also alleged that Geddert was aware in the late 1990s that Nassar had performed an "inappropriate procedure" on her when she was 16. Geddert's lawyer could not immediately be reached for comment Tuesday by The Associated Press.
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Geddert has insisted he had "zero knowledge" of Nassar's crimes. In response to lawsuits, his lawyer filed court papers saying Geddert was "just one person in an extremely long line of people who were fooled by Nassar."
 

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