IOC's decision: (clean) Russian athletes can compete under neutral flag at PyeongChang Olympics

[skatingguy]

Oh.. no... sorry, but I'm tired of this..

Well, I can certainly understand that. My post was hyperbole, because I'm tired of the speculation and conjecture.

 

[Vagabond]

Oh.. no... sorry, but I'm tired of this..

Is someone forcing you to read this thread against your will?

 

[skatingguy]

Is someone forcing you to read this thread against your will?

Yes, there's a little person in brain that forces me to look. Like slowing down to see the aftermath of car crash, or watching one of those biggest fail videos on youtube, he just can't not look.

 

[caseyedwards]

Olympic prize-winner Russian skater Olga Graf , who received an invitation from the International Olympic Committee for the 2018 Olympics , decided to abandon the trip to Pyeongchang because of the inability to compete in the team race.

 

[Lovemyvike]

So, are the chances of Stolbova and Bukin competing completely gone? Or is there a slim chance of an appeal?

 

[Anyasnake]

http://isu.org/docman-documents-lin...hang/15915-owg2018-fsk-entries-ice-dance/file
Zagorski/Guerreiro are officially on the ISU Entries list for the Games.

http://isu.org/docman-documents-lin...ongchang/15918-owg2018-fsk-entries-pairs/file
So is A/R.

I think there is nothing much that they can do.

 

[lala]

Something is happening in Russia in this matter. Dmitry Guberniyev sport journalist. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bek55dxHMNQ/?taken-by=guberniev_dmitry

 

[barbk]

Something is happening in Russia in this matter. Dmitry Guberniyev sport journalist. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bek55dxHMNQ/?taken-by=guberniev_dmitry

Well, that certainly answered all our burning questions.

 

[barbarafan]

Something is happening in Russia in this matter. Dmitry Guberniyev sport journalist. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bek55dxHMNQ/?taken-by=guberniev_dmitry

????

 

[lala]

????

Maybe I'm wong. But there are many famous athletes for ex Shipulin biatlonist one of those multiple world champions who won't be in Korea but he had no dopping case. And Guberniev mentioned Putin who maybe will hold a speech..I think..

Guberniev:

"I wanted to light , but the topic is serious and painful !!!! Asked an important question to the President of Russia - he received an exhaustive answer !!!!! List the page! Putin's answer was powerful - turn on the TVs and look in the internet !!!!! Sportsmen will support !!!! The dialogue will lead !!!!!! Conclusions will do !!!! With faith in Russian sports !!!! Forward!" google translate

I don't know..I don't know...I'm eager to hear something!

 

[caseyedwards]

Putin calls rodchenkov an idiot

http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/o...-dismisses-whistle-blower-rodchenkov-as-idiot

Translations have said jerk idiot imbecile asshole

 

[Tinami Amori]

Something is happening in Russia in this matter. Dmitry Guberniyev sport journalist. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bek55dxHMNQ/?taken-by=guberniev_dmitry

Lalachka, allow me to give a different wording to what you said, so that others get a better idea what you mean... not to correct you, but to give an alternative phrasing.

to a comment:

I think there is nothing much that they can do.

your reply means this:

Russians are doing something, expressing support for the athletes, and considering various post olympics steps/actions and here is an example of what one journalist is saying: Dmitry Guberniyev sport journalist. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bek55dxHMNQ/?taken-by=guberniev_dmitry

Putin calls rodchenkov an idiot. Translations have said jerk idiot imbecile asshole

To be exact, Putin called Rodchenkov "придурок". Which is "nitwit" or "half-wit".

I would call Rodchenkov a "criminal who is just as guilty as the rest, if not more, and who deserves WADA's legal actions against him for his integral role in the scheme". He did not repent out of guilt and morals, but out of personal interests when his other "swindles and crimes", besides the doping set up, have failed.

 

[lala]

Lalachka, allow me to give a different wording to what you said, so that others get a better idea what you mean... not to correct you, but to give an alternative phrasing.

to a comment:

your reply means this:

Thank you!!! I didn't understand too much but I hoped! ( Interesting sometimes my friends and my husband call me Lalácska - Lalachka as you wrote )

Sigh..Unfortunately we didn't get smarter..

 

[caseyedwards]

Lalachka, allow me to give a different wording to what you said, so that others get a better idea what you mean... not to correct you, but to give an alternative phrasing.

to a comment:

your reply means this:




To be exact, Putin called Rodchenkov "придурок". Which is "nitwit" or "half-wit".

I would call Rodchenkov a "criminal who is just as guilty as the rest, if not more, and who deserves WADA's legal actions against him for his integral role in the scheme". He did not repent out of guilt and morals, but out of personal interests when his other "swindles and crimes", besides the doping set up, have failed.

Some people are choosing translations that are much more click bait obviously! Or just making words up! Rodchenkov is not some saint figure and deserves much criticim but with him being extreme saint of truth and honesty to all ioc wada ipc IAAF why not just embrace rodchenkov being extreme pillar of greatness and honesty?

 

[Ka3sha]

22 Olympic champions, famous coaches and Evgenia Medvedeva have signed a letter to the IOC and Thomas Bach supporting Ivan Bukin

Alexei Yagudin, Evgeny Pluschenko, Adelina Sotnilova, Elena Berezhnaya, Anton Sikharulidze, Marina Anissina, Marina Klimova, Sergei Ponomarenko, Elena Valova, Oleg Vasiliev, Oksana Kazakova, Arthur Dmitriev, Ekaterina Gordeeva, Tatiana Totmianina, Maxim Marinin, Natalia Bestemianova, Andrei Bukin, Aleksandr Zaitsev, Evgeny Platov, Viktor Petrenko, Scott Hamilton, Gwendal Peizerat, Tatiana Tarasova and Tamara Moskvina have signed the letter.
The article also provides a pic of Medvedeva’s letter to Bach

 

[VGThuy]

22 Olympic champions, famous coaches and Evgenia Medvedeva have signed a letter to the IOC and Thomas Bach supporting Ivan Bukin

Yagudin, Pluschenko, Sotnilova, Berezhnaya, Sikharulidze, Anissina, Klimova, Ponomarenko, Valova, Vasiliev, Kazakova, Dmitriev, Gordeeva, Totmianina, Marinin, Bestomianova, Andrei Bukin, Aleksandr Zaitsev, Evgeny Platov, Viktor Petrenko, Scott Hamilton, Gwendal Peizerat, Tatiana Tarasova and Tamara Moskvina have signed the letter.
The article also provides a pic of Medvedeva’s letter to Bach

I'm happy for Ivan that he has such support. I do wonder why Stolbova isn't getting the same support, and if they know something we don't know.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I'm happy for Ivan that he has such support. I do wonder why Stolbova isn't getting the same support, and if they know something we don't know.

There was, only it was done in a form of Petition.

 

[rfisher]

There was, only it was done in a form of Petition.

Yes, I got a copy since I follow her on FB. It was signed by the same people. I suspect they are doing it independently so separate cases can be made for each athlete.

 

[kwanfan1818]

There was, only it was done in a form of Petition.

I don't think that's the same. For me it's the difference between 100K people signing a petition and 45 Nobel Prize winners signing a letter. ETA: Even if the Nobel Prize winners sign the petition, too.

Or was this petition by skating elite?

I'm happy for Ivan that he has such support. I do wonder why Stolbova isn't getting the same support, and if they know something we don't know.

In the NYC ballet world, there have been two high-profile resignations: Peter Martins at NYCB, based on allegations of sexual misconduct and physical abuse, and Marcelo Gomes at ABT based on sexual misconduct. While there are people who believe both resignations were premature, the evidence was scanty, and that they weren't given due process (whatever that means in terms of employment), there are far more people who believe the allegations about Martins, but without much knowledge, are defending Gomes to the hilt, because he was so beloved.

Stolbova and Bukin may have been excluded for the exact same reason -- it's been posted here that both took banned substances for illnesses without receiving a TUE first -- and it may have zero to do with Sochi in either case, but I'm reading a lot more support for Bukin in general, and that may be partly because people really like him.

 

[kittyjake5]

http://isu.org/docman-documents-lin...hang/15915-owg2018-fsk-entries-ice-dance/file
Zagorski/Guerreiro are officially on the ISU Entries list for the Games.

http://isu.org/docman-documents-lin...ongchang/15918-owg2018-fsk-entries-pairs/file
So is A/R.

I think there is nothing much that they can do.

I agree. The replacement teams are listed on the official roster.

 

[Madison25]

I'm happy for Ivan that he has such support. I do wonder why Stolbova isn't getting the same support, and if they know something we don't know.

Maybe because he's the son of Andrei Bukin? He definitely doesn't forget that, even in the letter to IOC.

 

[chapis]

I think it is simply because it would be the first Olympic games for Bukin, and S/B were getting better results, on the other hand, Ksenia already has Olympic medals and honestly, she is in decline and probably she would retire after this season anyway. Bukin´s situation simply seems crueler.

 

[Meoima]

I think it is simply because it would be the first Olympic games for Bukin, and S/B were getting better results, on the other hand, Ksenia already has Olympic medals and honestly, she is in decline and probably she would retire after this season anyway. Bukin´s situation simply seems crueler.

I don’t think it’s the reason. Maybe there’s some deals in the backstage and the deal can only save one person...

 

[Vagabond]

Andrei Bukin

I should hope so!

 

[Bellanca]

Maybe because he's the son of Andrei Bukin? He definitely doesn't forget that, even in the letter to IOC.

It's that, and the fact that Stolbova's name has already been out there for some time, while Bukin's name (just recently) popped-up out of nowhere ... for the majority, that is.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I don't think that's the same. For me it's the difference between 100K people signing a petition and 45 Nobel Prize winners signing a letter. ETA: Even if the Nobel Prize winners sign the petition, too.
Or was this petition by skating elite?.

The names i saw on the Petition for Stolbova included "big names", but i did not check all since there were thousands. But honestly, if i personally knew there is a Petition already, i would think it is sufficient, and not start a 2nd "letter".... Bukin did not have a petition, so they started a letter...

The letter that is signed for Bukin did not have 45 Nobel Prize winners. It had names of 25 current and former skaters.

 

[Yehudi]

The majority of names in the Bukin letter were people who were connected to Bestemianova and Bukin in some way (teammates, coaches, those who worked with TAT or Bobrin )

 

[caseyedwards]

Why won’t Fourneyon just say why she banned him?!?!

 

[lala]

The majority of names in the Bukin letter were people who were connected to Bestemianova and Bukin in some way (teammates, coaches, those who worked with TAT or Bobrin )

Scott Hamilton? Gwendal Peizerat? Interesting that they signed it..

 

[kwanfan1818]

The names i saw on the Petition for Stolbova included "big names", but i did not check all since there were thousands. But honestly, if i personally knew there is a Petition already, i would think it is sufficient, and not start a 2nd "letter".... Bukin did not have a petition, so they started a letter...

The letter that is signed for Bukin did not have 45 Nobel Prize winners. It had names of 25 current and former skaters.

Of course it didn't: but the idea is that important people signing a targeted letter is considered more effective than a petition.