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It better improve for the Olympics! I wish CTV was still doing it. They did a good job in Vancouver.
The Olympics will have live streaming of all events in every sport, as this event did. There is a relatively small number of people who would be interested in this event, particularly the dance and pairs event where none of the top couples were competing, and so it only makes sense that the television coverage would be limited. Add to that, that the resources of CBC will be focused on preparations for the Olympics.
 
I wish CTV was still doing it. They did a good job in Vancouver.

At least CBC has shown consistency over the past 4 years in the leadup to Pyeongchang with "Road To The Olympics" - pretty much all the Winter World Cups/World Championships except for Nordic Combined and men's/women's hockey were available for live streaming on CBC sports app.

On the other hand, Bell Globe Media (CTV/TSN) chose not to broadcast any World Cup/World Championship winter sport coverage in the years leading into Vancouver. That speaks volumes how much Olympic sports have fallen in the pecking order, barely finding airtime yet alone print space.
 
It was a horrible broadcast.
They also did not mention or show any cdn pairs at all,,including I/M who came 4th.They only show the N.Korean pair who came 3rd and it is not like they did not have a skilled commentator in pairs,, David Pelletier was there.
In dance they showed only highlights of Saucisse/Firus who are Cdn and got the silver medal.
They used to show top 3 competitors plus all Cdns. This is really bad news.

With CBC, you get what you get. I remember one Grand Prix Finale that they barely covered at all - of they women they only showed Mao's winning skate.

I particularly dislike that they show the Grand Prix events as part of their Sports Saturday program, so it is peppered with reports about sports other than skating.

It better improve for the Olympics! I wish CTV was still doing it. They did a good job in Vancouver.

I too prefer CTV 's coverage to that of CBC.

However, CBC has done a decent job of covering skating in previous Olympics, presumably because it has the budget to do so.
 
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With CBC, you get what you get. I remember on Grand Prix Finale that they barely covered at all - of they women they only showed Mao's winning skate.

I particularly dislike that they show the Grand Prix events as part of their Sports Saturday program, so it is peppered with reports about sports other than skating.

I too prefer CTV 's coverage to that of CBC.

However, CBC has done a decent job of covering skating in previous Olympics, presumably because it has the budget to do so.
CTV only wants the Skate Canada events. If we were dependent on CTV for coverage of the whole Grand Prix, 4CC, & Worlds we could get none or it would be behind a pay wall or subscription service like TSN. Same thing with the Olympics, if we only had CTV we would watch the Olympics when they were in Canada and that's it. We'd be dependent on NBC coverage on television and nothing available online.
 
How lucky we are to live in a country where we have FREE live streaming of all the Oly sports should we wish to watch them, and much more, on CBC. @skatingguy is right - if it was covered by CTV/TSN for sure it would be behind a paywall. I don't have cable, and I couldn't watch any of Skate Canada or Nationals online because I didn't have a cable provider - i.e. I'd have had to pay for it.
 
How lucky we are to live in a country where we have FREE live streaming of all the Oly sports should we wish to watch them, and much more, on CBC. @skatingguy is right - if it was covered by CTV/TSN for sure it would be behind a paywall. I don't have cable, and I couldn't watch any of Skate Canada or Nationals online because I didn't have a cable provider - i.e. I'd have had to pay for it.
In addition to that, CTV put Nationals on their CTV2 channels rather than the main network. There are people in Canada who have no access to any CTV2 channel, as well as those who don't have access to the whole array of TSN channels. They might have one of the TSN channels but not the full range, which seemed to be used for both the competition coverage and the Gala broadcast.

I am very grateful to CBC for the free live streaming and look forward to their Olympic coverage.
 
It is very difficult to compare CTV's coverage of a Home Olympics to CBC's coverage of a faraway Games. Anyways, both CTV and CBC showed all skating events on either tsn or Sportset, live. CTV omitted the first group of the OD and CBC randomly chacked at least a couple skaters each night. People will have their preferences of announcers, as if I ever care about that thing. And CTV was literally 24 hours Olympics. And CTV had an Olympics theme song.
 
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It is very difficult to compare CTV's coverage of a Home Olympics to CBC's coverage of a faraway Games. Anyways, both CTV and CBC showed all skating events on either CBC or Sportset, live. CTV omitted the first group of the OD and CBC randomly chacked at least a couple skaters each night. People will have their preferences of announcers, as if I ever care about that thing. And CTV was literally 24 hours Olympics. And CTV had an Olympics theme song.
When the games first started I hated that song, but sure enough by the end of the games I was sniffling every time I heard it. :wuzrobbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX_dndXEGHI
 
In addition to that, CTV put Nationals on their CTV2 channels rather than the main network. There are people in Canada who have no access to any CTV2 channel, as well as those who don't have access to the whole array of TSN channels. They might have one of the TSN channels but not the full range, which seemed to be used for both the competition coverage and the Gala broadcast.

I am very grateful to CBC for the free live streaming and look forward to their Olympic coverage.

all events were shown on daily motion online ..every competitor from novice to Junior and also most of the Seniors...last group was not online for some senior events for nationals....and with the best commentator in the world Ted.
 
all events were shown on daily motion online ..every competitor from novice to Junior and also most of the Seniors...last group was not online for some senior events for nationals....and with the best commentator in the world Ted.
I am well aware of the Skate Canada Dailymotion feed - but that had nothing to do with CTV/TSN. Even if those who were unable to get CTV2 or the TSN channel(s) had the ability to access a live stream for parts of the event, they could not see on Dailymoton what was being televised (perhaps with one exception), this was due to the TV contracts.

I was in the arena for much of the competition but was able to watch some of the DM feed from the hotel and/or go back and re-watch some items. I was also able to pass on compliments to Ted and Debbi in person.
 
That didn’t stop Kurt Browning from trying a quad in Calgary in 1988
Kurt was not a medal contender in Calgary in 1988, so he really had nothing to lose, whereas Gabby has a lot to lose if she tried the jump, missed it and then let that affect her concentration for the rest of the program or even for just one jump after it...

Add me to the list of people who much prefer CBC's coverage of the Olympics, although I really, really hope that Carol Lane is going to be concentrating on coaching and not be involved in the commentary team in any way, as I think her involvement as a commentator has been blatant conflict of interest and I don't know how/why CBC allows it. As for CTV and the Vancouver Olympic song, if people are talking about "I believe in the powwwwwwerrrr of you and I!", I still can't get over the bad grammar. :P
 
Add me to the list of people who much prefer CBC's coverage of the Olympics, although I really, really hope that Carol Lane is going to be concentrating on coaching and not be involved in the commentary team in any way, as I think her involvement as a commentator has been blatant conflict of interest and I don't know how/why CBC allows it.

She is going to be commentating. http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/media-centre/2018/01/09/
 
They have to have a Dance expert and Carol Lane is one. I like the fact that she is actively coaching - she is up to speed on all the latest rules and she picks up things that only an expert would spot. Tracy Wilson coaches a number of elite level skaters and I’ve always been fine with her commentating too.
 
They have to have a Dance expert and Carol Lane is one. I like the fact that she is actively coaching - she is up to speed on all the latest rules and she picks up things that only an expert would spot. Tracy Wilson coaches a number of elite level skaters and I’ve always been fine with her commentating too.
Tracy is not the primary coach of any currently top-ranked skater and definitely not any of the top-ranked dance teams. Carol Lane is the primary coach of a dance team that is in the top ten. It is impossible for her to be an unbiased commentator with such high stakes in the game and that kind of daily closeness to a top team. This conflict of interest was proven in most obvious form by her heavily biased commentary at this season's Cup of Russia, but she has definitely been hyper-critical of any team that was close to G/P in the rankings at other competitions in the past as well.

There are many other people that CBC could hire who would also be dance experts who could give expert commentary with a bit of TV training. As far as I know, Shae-Lynn did not do choreography for any of the high-ranked dance teams that will be at the Olympics this season, so they could use her. They have used Victor Kraatz in the past and could do so again. Wing & Lowe do not coach any internationally competitive senior teams, so they would also be options. Those are just a few options off the top of my head - there are lots of other possibilities I can think of who are lesser-known, but equally competent, and would not be causing a blatant conflict of interest the way Lane does.
 
Tracy is not the primary coach of any currently top-ranked skater and definitely not any of the top-ranked dance teams. Carol Lane is the primary coach of a dance team that is in the top ten. It is impossible for her to be an unbiased commentator with such high stakes in the game and that kind of daily closeness to a top team. This conflict of interest was proven in most obvious form by her heavily biased commentary at this season's Cup of Russia, but she has definitely been hyper-critical of any team that was close to G/P in the rankings at other competitions in the past as well.

There are many other people that CBC could hire who would also be dance experts who could give expert commentary with a bit of TV training. As far as I know, Shae-Lynn did not do choreography for any of the high-ranked dance teams that will be at the Olympics this season, so they could use her. They have used Victor Kraatz in the past and could do so again. Wing & Lowe do not coach any internationally competitive senior teams, so they would also be options. Those are just a few options off the top of my head - there are lots of other possibilities I can think of who are lesser-known, but equally competent, and would not be causing a blatant conflict of interest the way Lane does.

Tracy Wilson co-coaches two of the top men in the world, Yuzuru Hanyu and Javier Fernandez. She and Brian Orser are one of the top coaching teams in the World. Carol Lane also co-coaches with her husband Jon. CBC doesn’t hide the fact that Carol Lane is a coach and I don’t find her commentary to be heavily biased.
 
Tracy Wilson co-coaches two of the top men in the world, Yuzuru Hanyu and Javier Fernandez. She and Brian Orser are one of the top coaching teams in the World. Carol Lane also co-coaches with her husband Jon. CBC doesn’t hide the fact that Carol Lane is a coach and I don’t find her commentary to be heavily biased.

I was speaking of Tracy’s commentary as a “dance expert” specifically. Also, since CTV only had the rights to SCI and Canadians this season, I don’t think she was in the commentary team of any competition where Hanyu or Fernandez actually competed (please correct me if I am remembering incorrectly), whereas Carol Lane was definitely doing commentary for events in which G/P competed. Yes, Carol does co-coach, but it is she and Juris Razgulaevs who are known as G/P’s primary coaches (and also generally the main coaches of most of the elite teams that have come out of the Scarborough club), unlike in the case of Orser/Wilson’s skaters, where Brian is clearly the main/everyday coach.

Regarding Lane’s “unbiased” commentary, in my opinion, anyone who heard her comments on the dance competition at this season’s Cup of Russia would say otherwise. And I am saying this not as a “hater”, but as someone who has admired Lane as a coach for years and loved the strong training and choreographic innovation that has come from many of her teams.
 
I was speaking of Tracy’s commentary as a “dance expert” specifically. Also, since CTV only had the rights to SCI and Canadians this season, I don’t think she was in the commentary team of any competition where Hanyu or Fernandez actually competed (please correct me if I am remembering incorrectly), whereas Carol Lane was definitely doing commentary for events in which G/P competed. Yes, Carol does co-coach, but it is she and Juris Razgulaevs who are known as G/P’s primary coaches (and also generally the main coaches of most of the elite teams that have come out of the Scarborough club), unlike in the case of Orser/Wilson’s skaters, where Brian is clearly the main/everyday coach.

Regarding Lane’s “unbiased” commentary, in my opinion, anyone who heard her comments on the dance competition at this season’s Cup of Russia would say otherwise. And I am saying this not as a “hater”, but as someone who has admired Lane as a coach for years and loved the strong training and choreographic innovation that has come from many of her teams.
I don't think this is completely accurate. From the way Brian describes how things work there in interviews I've read, it sounds to me more like the Gadbois team, where all the top teams work with the top coaches consistently, with the different coaches focusing on different things. I think Tracy is just as much a top coach as Brian. Well, for Hanyu and Javi at least, some of the other students have different main coaches, like Gabby. Her primary coach is Lee Barkell, but she works with the others too.
 
Kurt was not a medal contender in Calgary in 1988, so he really had nothing to lose, whereas Gabby has a lot to lose if she tried the jump, missed it and then let that affect her concentration for the rest of the program or even for just one jump after it...

Add me to the list of people who much prefer CBC's coverage of the Olympics, although I really, really hope that Carol Lane is going to be concentrating on coaching and not be involved in the commentary team in any way, as I think her involvement as a commentator has been blatant conflict of interest and I don't know how/why CBC allows it. As for CTV and the Vancouver Olympic song, if people are talking about "I believe in the powwwwwwerrrr of you and I!", I still can't get over the bad grammar. :p

I think you are right in the Gabby situation (although I would pee my pants if she did it and landed it)..I will be very upset if Carol Lane commentates as even though she knows her sh**it she manipulates what she says to fit her 4 yr plan of moving G/P to the head of the pack by fair means or foul at the expense of CDN ice dance.Again we have promising teams(some from her camp)quitting...They retire, not just leave her coaching. As far as Olympic bru ha ha the nationalist "Own the Podium" all over the place in our country did not sit well with me. We were the hosts and other countries were our guests and that was rude. They should have used something like "Be the best you can be" I cringed everytime I saw or heard it.
 
Tracy is not the primary coach of any currently top-ranked skater and definitely not any of the top-ranked dance teams. Carol Lane is the primary coach of a dance team that is in the top ten. It is impossible for her to be an unbiased commentator with such high stakes in the game and that kind of daily closeness to a top team. This conflict of interest was proven in most obvious form by her heavily biased commentary at this season's Cup of Russia, but she has definitely been hyper-critical of any team that was close to G/P in the rankings at other competitions in the past as well.

There are many other people that CBC could hire who would also be dance experts who could give expert commentary with a bit of TV training. As far as I know, Shae-Lynn did not do choreography for any of the high-ranked dance teams that will be at the Olympics this season, so they could use her. They have used Victor Kraatz in the past and could do so again. Wing & Lowe do not coach any internationally competitive senior teams, so they would also be options. Those are just a few options off the top of my head - there are lots of other possibilities I can think of who are lesser-known, but equally competent, and would not be causing a blatant conflict of interest the way Lane does.

I agree..Tracy is more of a background person...working on skating skills and head skills and checking all the boxes and although she was a top ice dancer she does not work with any ice dancers. I think they may need her behind the scenes though, at the boards and in the kiss and cry at the Olympics as they have quite a few athletes there and the setup seemed to work really well at worlds last yr.
 
I was speaking of Tracy’s commentary as a “dance expert” specifically. Also, since CTV only had the rights to SCI and Canadians this season, I don’t think she was in the commentary team of any competition where Hanyu or Fernandez actually competed (please correct me if I am remembering incorrectly), whereas Carol Lane was definitely doing commentary for events in which G/P competed. Yes, Carol does co-coach, but it is she and Juris Razgulaevs who are known as G/P’s primary coaches (and also generally the main coaches of most of the elite teams that have come out of the Scarborough club), unlike in the case of Orser/Wilson’s skaters, where Brian is clearly the main/everyday coach.

Regarding Lane’s “unbiased” commentary, in my opinion, anyone who heard her comments on the dance competition at this season’s Cup of Russia would say otherwise. And I am saying this not as a “hater”, but as someone who has admired Lane as a coach for years and loved the strong training and choreographic innovation that has come from many of her teams.

One thing sadly lacking from her commentary is skating skills...She doesn't discuss this (I would guess because Piper's aren't so good)at all and that is one of most important things about ice dance. I really like Charlie White's commentary as he always points out these things as well as Ted and they are not sarcastic or snide.
 
I agree about the comparison of Gabby 2018 vs Kurt 1988 with respect to risk vs. reward.

Sorry folks but "the ship has sailed" with respect to who will be doing CBC commentary at the Olympics - the announcement linked above was made some time ago. As announced after Nationals, Juris Razgulaevs is the Olympic coach for G&P. Carol Lane is a CBC commentator.
 
Should a quadruple toe be added in the long program, Daleman would probably have to sacrifice one of her double axels - not necessary the best strategy if it ends up being downgraded, imo.
 
I agree about the comparison of Gabby 2018 vs Kurt 1988 with respect to risk vs. reward.

Sorry folks but "the ship has sailed" with respect to who will be doing CBC commentary at the Olympics - the announcement linked above was made some time ago. As announced after Nationals, Juris Razgulaevs is the Olympic coach for G&P. Carol Lane is a CBC commentator.

not surprised...she does more for the team with her biased commentary and heavy political clout than a hand and skate guard holder.
 
I think you are right in the Gabby situation (although I would pee my pants if she did it and landed it)..I will be very upset if Carol Lane commentates as even though she knows her sh**it she manipulates what she says to fit her 4 yr plan of moving G/P to the head of the pack by fair means or foul at the expense of CDN ice dance.Again we have promising teams(some from her camp)quitting...They retire, not just leave her coaching. As far as Olympic bru ha ha the nationalist "Own the Podium" all over the place in our country did not sit well with me. We were the hosts and other countries were our guests and that was rude. They should have used something like "Be the best you can be" I cringed everytime I saw or heard it.
Seriously? I really disagree. It's the Olympics. It's perfectly normal to be nationalistic and patriotic. Canada overall tends to be less patriotic about these things than most other countries. Saying you want to own the podium at your home Games - that's just, it's kind of obvious. Every country that hosts wants that. Canada is a strong winter sports country. Of course we wanted to win lots of medals at home. Are you seriously not allowed to say you want to win? Previous home Olympics in Canada had not gone well. The attitude that went along with Own the Podium was necessary. And "be the best you can" would have been a super lame slogan.
It wasn’t just money that marked Own the Podium’s contribution to this change. It was a philosophy, an attitude, best expressed in that deliberately provocative name. We were going to shoot for the top, and we didn’t care who knew it—including ourselves. This seems elementary. Before you can achieve anything, you have to imagine yourself in the role. You have to see yourself as the kind of person who does that sort of thing. The point of Own the Podium was to get Canadians to see themselves as the kind of country who could finish first at the Olympics—to build a culture wherein Canadian athletes would see themselves as potential medal winners. It wasn’t enough just to hope it. You had to say it. Out loud.
http://www.macleans.ca/general/canada-reborn/
 

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