Canadian Pairs 2017/2018 Season News and Updates

Btw, do Walsh/Michaud have their sr minimums for 4CC? I was just thinking that if the top3 won't go and if Dylan's injury is such that I/M choose to skip 4CC as well, does Canada even have 3 eligible sr pairs for that event?
No, Walsh/Michaud have not competed at a senior international to get their minimums.

Only 3 pairs (besides the 3 Olympic-nominated teams) are eligible and were listed for 4CC:

2018 ISU FOUR CONTINENTS FIGURE SKATING CHAMPIONSHIPS
Taipei City, Chinese Taipei – January 22-27, 2018


Lubov Ilyushechkina/Dylan Moscovitch
Sydney Kolodziej/Maxime Deschamps
Camille Ruest/Drew Wolfe

[No alternates]

2018 ISU JUNIOR WORLD FIGURE SKATING CHAMPIONSHIPS
Sofia, Bulgaria – March 5-11, 2018


Lori-Ann Matte/Thierry Ferland
Evelyn Walsh/Trennt Michaud

Alternate 1 – Gabrielle Levesque/Pier-Alexandre Hudon
Alternate 2 – Chloe Choinard/Mathieu Ostiguy
Alternate 3 – Chloe Panetta/Steven Lapointe

2018 ISU WORLD FIGURE SKATING CHAMPIONSHIPS
Milan, Italy – March 19-25, 2018


Meagan Duhamel/Eric Radford (not expected to compete?)
Kirsten Moore-Towers/Michael Marinaro
Julianne Seguin/Charlie Bilodeau

Alternate 1 – Lubov Ilyushechkina/Dylan Moscovitch
Alternate 2 – Camille Ruest/Drew Wolfe
Alternate 3 – Sydney Kolodziej/Maxime Deschamps
 
This whole season just felt like a gradual but steady unravelling of the career of I/M as an eligible partnership, culminating in a Nationals event where they all but stumbled across the finish line.

Perhaps the cut in his hand was the final straw but mentally they never looked in it before the music even started.
I'm sorry their journey this cycle couldn't have had a happier ending. So much sacrifice...

On the flipside, I'm loving the performances of the podium finishers. A well-deserved trip by all to the remaining events this season.
 
Bringing this conversation over from the Canadian Olympic announcement thread, since it pertains to I/M and pairs selection:
As much as I/M were my sentimental favourites to make the Olympic team, I completely understand why SC went with MT/M2.

So skate Canada will have their darling at Olympics and we will see how this turns out. All things happen for a reason but sometimes you never find out what that reason is. And then sometimes you do.

Which 'darling' are you referring to: Meagan Duhamel, Kirsten Moore-Towers, or the young and promising team of Seguin/Bilodeau? I think it's obvious that Skate Canada are very high on S/B (as they should be), but I found it interesting how S/B were placed ahead of M-T/M in the sp, when Julianne fell on the sbs jump element and M-T/M were overall a bit better in the sp. The scoring had the two teams practically tied, but that result likely had many fans giving the judges some side-eye. And then I/M were taken down several notches in the sp by not even getting at least a 66+ or closer (albeit they didn't perform the crucial sbs jumps well). Still, the scoring kind of made the statement that the other teams were preferred.

Sadly for I/M, the Cdn Nats scoring is also a reflection of the GP results for these teams, except that S/B were not received that well in the marks by international judges, even though their programs this year are boffo IMO. In any case, M-T/M had the better results behind D/R on the GP, so Kirsten & Michael earned the respect they were shown in the marks at Cdn Nats. They have improved tremendously when they were not really expected to break through. What helped Kirsten/Michael was ironically the problems S/B have had the last two seasons with injuries, which allowed Kirsten/Michael the huge opportunity to compete at Worlds, get the experience and gain recognition. The fact they were able to use those opportunities to their advantage can not be downplayed in how much they have improved, and in how their confidence as a team has skyrocketed. What a truly lucky decision Kirsten made to be coached by Gauthier/Marcotte (and even more that Meagan was okay with M-T/M coming on board). Had Kirsten and Michael stayed with the Wirtzes, they'd be toast -- their partnership done and over. Under G/M and Julie Marcotte, M-T/M have flourished and uncovered potential probably no one thought they could realize together. Even Ted Barton admitted that in his sp commentary!

It's got to be difficult for I/M right now. There was so much anticipation among fans for their partnership. And they started out very well, facing all the obstacles of waiting for Luba's release from Russia, and then applying for Canadian citizenship; finding the funds to train and be coached in a good training center. Finding the right music and choreo to build a successful partnership. Trying to continue building and maintaining an upward trajectory, while knowing it was urgent to get it all done within a limited timeframe. That had to be so hard for them. And then, Dylan experiences injuries in their final season. :( They have had a lot of peaks and valleys along the way. :respec: I think they still have so much to offer and to explore with their partnership, but their ultimate goal was to make the Olympics. And failing that, what will they decide to do now? It's heartbreaking.

In a way, as I already mentioned in this thread, I think I/M should not have revealed earlier in the season their plans to retire after this season and hopefully do shows. It may have been taken in a light by Skate Canada that I/M were expendable if they were not going to continue competitively. If Dylan had just hedged a bit and said they hadn't decided what their future together will be, and that they were just focused on working hard to make the Olympic team and represent Canada. By saying they were looking ahead to doing shows, it took focus and momentum away from their urgency to make the Olympic team. They had reached such a high by coming in ahead of D/R at Worlds 2017, but they needed to keep their foot on the pedal and not let up and think they were automatic favorites along with D/R for the Olympics. The young team of Seguin/Bilodeau were always a threat. And obviously, so were M-T/M. The fact I/M placed ahead of D/R at Worlds, while a happy achievement for them, and something everyone appreciated and respected, a fire was lit in Meagan to do everything possible to battle back and return to form with Eric this season.

So, combined with Dylan's injuries and their indecisiveness regarding their programs this season, and Luba's struggles with jumps, and revealing too soon that they planned to retire after the season was over, things simply did not pan out the way I/M had hoped. Once again, they still have a lot to offer and it would be nice if they could regroup and come back for one more year competitively. Although, I don't know if Dylan feels he has enough left in the gas tank. Frankly, Eric seems to be feeling the same way. I think it's more Meagan driving the enthusiasm to keep battling strong as they come down the stretch. This dynamic recalls to my mind Aliona Savchenko when she was with Robin Szolkowy, and he frankly was thinking of retiring post-2010 (even though he committed to continuing another four years).
 
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Bringing this conversation over from the Canadian Olympic announcement thread, since it pertains to I/M and pairs selection:




Which 'darling' are you referring to: Meagan Duhamel, Kirsten Moore-Towers, or the young and promising team of Seguin/Bilodeau? I think it's obvious that Skate Canada are very high on S/B (as they should be), but I found it interesting how S/B were placed ahead of M-T/M in the sp, when Julianne fell on the sbs jump element and M-T/M were overall a bit better in the sp. The scoring had the two teams practically tied, but that result likely had many fans giving the judges some side-eye. And then I/M were taken down several notches in the sp by not even getting at least a 66+ or closer (albeit they didn't perform the crucial sbs jumps well). Still, the scoring kind of made the statement that the other teams were preferred.

Sadly for I/M, the Cdn Nats scoring is also a reflection of the GP results for these teams, except that S/B were not received that well in the marks by international judges, even though their programs this year are boffo IMO. In any case, M-T/M had the better results behind D/R on the GP, so Kirsten & Michael earned the respect they were shown in the marks at Cdn Nats. They have improved tremendously when they were not really expected to break through. What helped Kirsten/Michael was ironically the problems S/B have had the last two seasons with injuries, which allowed Kirsten/Michael the huge opportunity to compete at Worlds, get the experience and gain recognition. The fact they were able to use those opportunities to their advantage can not be downplayed in how much they have improved, and in how their confidence as a team has skyrocketed. What a truly lucky decision Kirsten made to be coached by Gauthier/Marcotte (and even more that Meagan was okay with M-T/M coming on board). Had Kirsten and Michael stayed with the Wirtzes, they'd be toast -- their partnership done and over. Under G/M and Julie Marcotte, M-T/M have flourished and uncovered potential probably no one thought they could realize together. Even Ted Barton admitted that in his sp commentary!

It's got to be difficult for I/M right now. There was so much anticipation among fans for their partnership. And they started out very well, facing all the obstacles of waiting for Luba's release from Russia, and then applying for Canadian citizenship; finding the funds to train and be coached in a good training center. Finding the right music and choreo to build a successful partnership. Trying to continue building and maintaining an upward trajectory, while knowing it was urgent to get it all done within a limited timeframe. That had to be so hard for them. And then, Dylan experiences injuries in their final season. :( They have had a lot of peaks and valleys along the way. :respec: I think they still have so much to offer and to explore with their partnership, but their ultimate goal was to make the Olympics. And failing that, what will they decide to do now? It's heartbreaking.

In a way, as I already mentioned in this thread, I think I/M should not have revealed earlier in the season their plans to retire after this season and hopefully do shows. It may have been taken in a light by Skate Canada that I/M were expendable if they were not going to continue competitively. If Dylan had just hedged a bit and said they hadn't decided what their future together will be, and that they were just focused on working hard to make the Olympic team and represent Canada. By saying they were looking ahead to doing shows, it took focus and momentum away from their urgency to make the Olympic team. They had reached such a high by coming in ahead of D/R at Worlds 2017, but they needed to keep their foot on the pedal and not let up and think they were automatic favorites along with D/R for the Olympics. The young team of Seguin/Bilodeau were always a threat. And obviously, so were M-T/M. The fact I/M placed ahead of D/R at Worlds, while a happy achievement for them, surely did not endear them to Meagan and the Montreal pairs camp.

So, combined with Dylan's injuries and their indecisiveness regarding their programs this season, and Luba's struggles with jumps, and revealing too soon that they planned to retire after the season was over, things simply did not pan out the way I/M had hoped. Once again, they still have a lot to offer and it would be nice if they could regroup and come back for one more year competitively. Although, I don't know if Dylan feels he has enough left in the gas tank. Frankly, Eric seems to be feeling the same way. I think it's more Meagan driving the enthusiasm to keep battling strong as they come down the stretch. This dynamic recalls to my mind Aliona Savchenko when she was with Robin Szolkowy, and he frankly was thinking of retiring post-2010 (even though he committed to continuing another four years).

KMT.........S/b and D/r -no questions....in the short S/b had better levels and their elements, lines and chemistry are superior to MTM2.
 
KMT.........S/b and D/r -no questions....in the short S/b had better levels and their elements, lines and chemistry are superior to MTM2.

Absolutely! S/B's skating skills are miles ahead of MT/M. Also Charlie is a superb partner and showcases Julianne in a way that I don't think Michael does with Kirsten. Again that when chemistry comes into play.
 
^^ I/M has not 'done it' all season, as I outlined in my earlier post. :) I haven't seen any arguments that I/M should have been selected for the team, only disappointment by their fans for the challenges I/M faced and weren't able to overcome this season. There are a few overwrought fans grumbling about I/M's scores, but still being realistic that I/M did not have the strong showing they needed to have at Cdn Nats. Especially against a young stunner of a team (S/B), and against another resilient team (M-T/M) who started out as an awkward partnership but are now demanding everyone's attention (even despite Michael still having a way to go in developing his partnering skills).

... S/b and D/r -no questions....in the short S/b had better levels and their elements, lines and chemistry are superior to MTM2.

Absolutely! S/B's skating skills are miles ahead of MT/M. Also Charlie is a superb partner and showcases Julianne in a way that I don't think Michael does with Kirsten. Again that when chemistry comes into play.

No argument from me whatsoever. That's why I found it curious when S/B weren't being received better in the marks this season by international judges. I wondered if it was partly due to their relative youth, and to the fact some of their momentum had been lost by being injured and missing Worlds for two years in a row? I wouldn't discount country politics playing a small role either. I immediately loved both of S/B's programs this season, but for some reason in certain quarters that love has not been widely shared.

In Fall 2016, S/B got off to a slow start with their Louis Armstrong short which never quite worked for them. And then, let's face it that they ran into GP politics with a thud at Rostelecom Cup in Russia that season. Everyone knows S/B are a magical pair who with the right vehicle simply shine in an amazing and mesmerizing way. But meanwhile, Russia has up-and-coming pairs they want to position. And at Skate America 2016, Tarasova /Morosov faltering on a huge element in the sp led to S/B winning Skate America overall. Therefore when S/B got to Rostelecom, it was seemingly payback time. S/B were kept off the podium in 4th place, and due to not having a great sp and other problems (likely related to injury), S/B did not end up with a great 2016-2017 season. It's been lovely to see them break out again with wonderful programs this season. Still, the international judges have seemed lukewarm. Plus, in recent seasons S/B have been experimenting with beefing up their technical difficulty and as a result they've had some inconsistent outings.

KMT.........

Actually, Skate Canada has shown their preference for elevating S/B (Julianne & Charlie) as heir apparent to D/R's throne. That's why I'm slightly puzzled by your reference to Kirsten as being exclusively 'SC's darling whom they wanted at the Olympics.' The fact of the matter is that Kirsten does indeed have a 'darling' personality, but that means nothing without her having backed up her own desires with hard work and estimable results! Both Kirsten and Michael have done exactly that with the help of Richard Gauthier, Bruno Marcotte, and Julie Marcotte. :)
 
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Bringing this conversation over from the Canadian Olympic announcement thread, since it pertains to I/M and pairs selection:

They had reached such a high by coming in ahead of D/R at Worlds 2017, but they needed to keep their foot on the pedal and not let up and think they were automatic favorites along with D/R for the Olympics. The young team of Seguin/Bilodeau were always a threat. And obviously, so were M-T/M. The fact I/M placed ahead of D/R at Worlds, while a happy achievement for them, surely did not endear them to Meagan and the Montreal pairs camp.
I doubt that was an issue at all. Sure Meagan is Uber competitive, but she's also very supportive of other skaters. Eric was seriously injured at that event, so much so that they nearly pulled out of Worlds. I'm sure they were relieved that that injury didn't result in Canada losing 3 pairs spots, which it could have if I/M didn't skate so well. Also Eric and Dylan are best friends and have been for their entire careers, so I'm sure he wishes Dylan had made the team. And Meagan used to be coached by Lee Barkell, who works with I/M, and posted about how much he did for her career, etc just this weekend.
 
Actually, Skate Canada has shown their preference for elevating S/B (Julianne & Charlie) as heir apparent to D/R's throne. That's why I'm slightly puzzled by the reference to Kirsten as being exclusively 'SC's darling whom they wanted at the Olympics.' The fact of the matter is that Kirsten does indeed have a 'darling' personality, but that means nothing without her having backed up her own desires with hard work and estimable results! Both Kirsten and Michael have done exactly that with the help of Richard Gauthier, Bruno Marcotte, and Julie Marcotte. :)

I don't know if Kirsten was the darling to Skate Canada as much as you think she was. Her and Michael were constantly behind I/M even when there were clearly mistakes made courtesy of Lubov. And they sent S/B to worlds who withdrew from Nationals due to injury instead of MT/M who had a decent skate. I think Skate Canada chose MT/M to go to the Olympics over I/M because they were the more prepared team and they were healthy. I don't think it was because she was Skate Canada's darling.
 
I doubt that was an issue at all. Sure Meagan is Uber competitive, but she's also very supportive of other skaters. Eric was seriously injured at that event, so much so that they nearly pulled out of Worlds. I'm sure they were relieved that that injury didn't result in Canada losing 3 pairs spots, which it could have if I/M didn't skate so well. Also Eric and Dylan are best friends and have been for their entire careers, so I'm sure he wishes Dylan had made the team. And Meagan used to be coached by Lee Barkell, who works with I/M, and posted about how much he did for her career, etc just this weekend.

^^ Surely, and no disrespect intended against Meagan. I should have worded that differently. While Meagan is very sportsmanlike which is obvious in how she welcomed Kirsten and Michael as training partners, I simply meant that being surpassed by I/M at Worlds was a rude wake-up call for D/R. And since Meagan is such a fighter, she was more determined than ever to fight back. Not that she didn't appreciate I/M performing well and maintaining 3 spots for Cdn pairs. It's just that a fire was lit in her to say, "Not so fast. Eric and I are not done yet." IOW, pumping herself up, not disparaging I/M's results. It clearly was not personal against I/M at all. So I will edit my original wording.
 
I don't know if Kirsten was the darling to Skate Canada as much as you think she was. Her and Michael were constantly behind I/M even when there were clearly mistakes made courtesy of Lubov. And they sent S/B to worlds who withdrew from Nationals due to injury instead of MT/M who had a decent skate. I think Skate Canada chose MT/M to go to the Olympics over I/M because they were the more prepared team and they were healthy. I don't think it was because she was Skate Canada's darling.

Of course that latter is the reason why M-T/M were sent to the Olympics. They earned their spot fair and square. That's exactly what I already said! Please recheck the previous posts. It was not my claim that Kirsten is SC's 'darling.' :p I was simply pointing out to @barbarafan that I questioned her making that comment! Sigh... :drama:

What you have said in your above post is exactly the same thing I already said. But, there's miscommunication on Internet forums all the time. Hair-pulling out miscommunication.

And so everyone who agreed with your post apparently agree with me as well. ;) :lol:
 
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There was no question about who should have the 3rd spot on the pairs team.

Had I/M had a decent season, then maybe an argument could have been made, but they have seem off/tired and not as motivated this season. Their programs have not had the "it" factor either. MTM2 skated better in both segments and deserve the 3rd spot.
 
Hoping for a lot of love from the crowds in Taipei for the athletes competing at Four Continents, many of whom will be mending broken hearts but revealing the strength of character that earned them this opportunity to compete and represent on this ISU championship stage.
 
Last year National [2017 CAN Novice Pairs]:
1 Chloé Panetta / Steven Lapointe QC 41.91 (1) 71.51 (1) 113.42
2 Patricia Andrew / Paxton Knott WO 31.54 (3) 61.37 (2) 92.91
3 Takara Dei / Josh Venema AB/NT/NU 34.34 (2) 57.00 (3) 91.34
4 Keara Harney / Zachary Freedman QC 28.93 (4) 46.08 (4) 75.01
5 Danika Levesque / Samir Andjorin QC 26.89 (5) 40.52 (5) 67.41
For @DFO and anyone else who might be interested... I just discovered that Zachary Freedman paired up with American-born Filipino skater Cirinia Gillett and they competed at Philippine Nationals this past November as the only Junior pair team and now are planning to debut internationally in Germany (Bavarian Open) and Poland (Torun Cup) -- I assume to go for the minimum scores for Junior Worlds. She will turn 18 next month; does anyone know how old Freedman is?

ETA this post dated 2/7/17 from the 2017 post-Canadians splits thread:
Zachary Freedman is now on IPS so another novice team has split. He says he has british citizenship too.
 
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I had a :sekret: who was well connected to Purich. A few years ago, around the the time of her success in juniors, the :sekret: would often talk about how difficult Purich found it to work with a partner because she preferred being in the spotlight by herself.
 
the :sekret: would often talk about how difficult Purich found it to work with a partner because she preferred being in the spotlight by herself.
There's a simple way to do that: have star quality like Savchenko or, closer to home, Moore-Towers, and people won't even realize that they've ignored your partner until the program is over.

I said "simple." Not "easy."
 
There's a simple way to do that: have star quality like Savchenko or, closer to home, Moore-Towers, and people won't even realize that they've ignored your partner until the program is over.

I said "simple." Not "easy."

I think in Purich’s case “spotlight” is code for something else.
 
For @DFO and anyone else who might be interested... I just discovered that Zachary Freedman paired up with American-born Filipino skater Cirinia Gillett and they competed at Philippine Nationals this past November as the only Junior pair team and now are planning to debut internationally in Germany (Bavarian Open) and Poland (Torun Cup) -- I assume to go for the minimum scores for Junior Worlds. She will turn 18 next month; does anyone know how old Freedman is?

ETA this post dated 2/7/17 from the 2017 post-Canadians splits thread:

I had a birthdate for Zachary Freedman of september 4th 1998, but I do have some errors in my listing 'cause in French it's 4/9/1998 but in English it's 9/4/1998, and sometimes my computer switch between both languages. So it maybe 9 april 1998...

But thanks for posting. I was wondering what happened to him.
 

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