IOC's decision: (clean) Russian athletes can compete under neutral flag at PyeongChang Olympics

Stolbova’s comment:
“It would be better if you (journalists) leave us alone and let us calmly prepare for the Olympics. Journalists called us two nights in a row, from three in the morning till six in the morning. Leave us alone, please, without asking any questions. We will prepare for the Olympics, we will go under the white flag and we will defend our Motherland. We are not orphans. We have a huge great country. This question and topic are closed”
https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20171207/1129737256.html
 
Ka3sha said:
Stolbova’s comment:
“It would be better if you (journalists) leave us alone and let us calmly prepare for the Olympics. Journalists called us two nights in a row, from three in the morning till six in the morning. Leave us alone, please, without asking any questions. We will prepare for the Olympics, we will go under the white flag and we will defend our Motherland. We are not orphans. We have a huge great country. This question and topic are closed”
https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20171207/1129737256.html
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Ugh! Like a BOSS she is. :respec: Rock those skates, Diva!:encore:
 
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allezfred said:
No Japanese athlete has ever returned a positive dope test result so they either have the most sophisticated doping system ever or they are clean.



They thought Sale/Pelletier should have won the pairs event, so umm no. :lol:

Olympic audiences are full of nationalistic idiots who couldn’t care less about skating.
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After all the Olympic champions should be based on "who we like" not "how we skate"

Seriously off topic, but honestly that event was 'fixed' and everyone knew it. Skating wasn't being judged on it's merits but on it's politics.

Sadly it hasn't changed and is one reason skating popularity is not that strong. People don't like sporting events where it appears that what you do at the event doesn't change the outcome.
 
Ka3sha said:
Stolbova’s comment:
“It would be better if you (journalists) leave us alone and let us calmly prepare for the Olympics. Journalists called us two nights in a row, from three in the morning till six in the morning. Leave us alone, please, without asking any questions. We will prepare for the Olympics, we will go under the white flag and we will defend our Motherland. We are not orphans. We have a huge great country. This question and topic are closed”
https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20171207/1129737256.html
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How much I like this!
 
hypothetical drama people. There's enough real drama to
Ka3sha said:
Stolbova’s comment:
“It would be better if you (journalists) leave us alone and let us calmly prepare for the Olympics. Journalists called us two nights in a row, from three in the morning till six in the morning. Leave us alone, please, without asking any questions. We will prepare for the Olympics, we will go under the white flag and we will defend our Motherland. We are not orphans. We have a huge great country. This question and topic are closed”
https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20171207/1129737256.html
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Take their heads off Ksenia!
 
Yes, this is yahoo, which certainly doesn't have the highest journalism standards on the planet, but the last paragraph of the article really caught my attention.
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-analyze-ioc-ban-taking-101857450.html

The IOC is now working on "operational guidelines" that will oversee enforcing restrictions on Russian participation in Pyeongchang. These include approving a manufacturer and a design of team uniforms, and what Russian symbols, such as national flags, fans will be allowed to use in Olympic venues.
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missing said:
I don't understand what he means.
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I'm not sure that was the real Kolyada. There are a lot of people who use the name on the You Tube comments. Given the comments, I'm pretty certain they were not Kolyada. I suspect there's going to be a lot of false statements over the next couple of weeks.
 
The Tweet had a link to a video of a press conference at the GPF. If that wasn't Kolyada, it was a very good impostor. (Perhaps it's like D10 and his evil twin.) The Tweet repeated what the interpreter said. If any Russian speaker would like to offer a better translation or an explanation, I am sure it will be welcomed here.
 
So just like in 2002, we now have political journalists covering the Olympic issue. Which means their knowledge of our sport is, um, limited, as you'll all recognize when you read this: https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...-doping-scandal-sochi-winter-olympics/547616/

Ioffe was born in Russia and came to the US as a teenager, I think, and her coverage of Putin politically is always interesting. I did tell her (on Twitter reply) that she's mixed up dance and pairs and that the Russian team with the infamous aboriginal dance did indeed medal.
 
lala said:
Bootleg Skating‏ @BootlegSkating 57m57 minutes ago
Mikhail Kolyada: Thinking about what Russia has done, I think [the IOC decision] is reasonable, so therefore I will not be participating as part of the delegation representing Russia. #PyeongChang2018 https://twitter.com/BootlegSkating/status/938784480189235201
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That’s very presumptuous! Why does he think he’ll be invited by the IOC? He doesn’t even know what their standards will be. Plus he missed a season where he wasn’t tested once for doping. He’s not going.
 
PRlady said:
So just like in 2002, we now have political journalists covering the Olympic issue. Which means their knowledge of our sport is, um, limited, as you'll all recognize when you read this: https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...-doping-scandal-sochi-winter-olympics/547616/

Ioffe was born in Russia and came to the US as a teenager, I think, and her coverage of Putin politically is always interesting. I did tell her (on Twitter reply) that she's mixed up dance and pairs and that the Russian team with the infamous aboriginal dance did indeed medal.
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This from that article stood out for me:

Authoritarian regimes love organized sporting events... Putin, like most people who survived the Soviet Union, never lost that vision of the Olympics as a proxy for geopolitics.
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This is why, in all seriousness, I would love to see all athletes compete as "neutrals" under the Olympic flag. If the Olympics are to be about sport, they can't be about nationalism. Its not about the glory of the nation, but the glory of the performance of the athlete(s) in any given event. People will be proud of athletes from their own country but we need to get away from medals being seen as being won by a country rather than by athletes.
 
BlueRidge said:
This from that article stood out for me:



This is why, in all seriousness, I would love to see all athletes compete as "neutrals" under the Olympic flag. If the Olympics are to be about sport, they can't be about nationalism. Its not about the glory of the nation, but the glory of the performance of the athlete(s) in any given event. People will be proud of athletes from their own country but we need to get away from medals being seen as being won by a country rather than by athletes.
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That's idealistic but unrealistic. The reason countries invest so much in training and sponsoring their Oly athletes is for the pride and national solidarity. (I will never forget those girls I shared a cab with in Finland. They were Spanish and schlepped on one of those low-cost flights through Outer Slobovia to get to Helsinki, just to root for Javi. They were young and broke and adorable.) Even the US, which doesn't do state-sponsored training nearly as much as other countries, has a big-deal USA thing going on which is why NBC pays so much for rights, keeping the entire circus going....

The model might be broken, so few cities now want the winter Olys it's going to polluted Beijing. But I don't see it ever becoming a competition of individuals. Although, if it let me see more Japanese and Russian ladies, it wouldn't be all bad.
 
caseyedwards said:
That’s very presumptuous! Why does he think he’ll be invited by the IOC? He doesn’t even know what their standards will be. Plus he missed a season where he wasn’t tested once for doping. He’s not going.
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He was injured. Why would he have used doping? As a medical treatment ?
 
PRlady said:
That's idealistic but unrealistic. The reason countries invest so much in training and sponsoring their Oly athletes is for the pride and national solidarity. (I will never forget those girls I shared a cab with in Finland. They were Spanish and schlepped on one of those low-cost flights through Outer Slobovia to get to Helsinki, just to root for Javi. They were young and broke and adorable.) Even the US, which doesn't do state-sponsored training nearly as much as other countries, has a big-deal USA thing going on which is why NBC pays so much for rights, keeping the entire circus going....

The model might be broken, so few cities now want the winter Olys it's going to polluted Beijing. But I don't see it ever becoming a competition of individuals. Although, if it let me see more Japanese and Russian ladies, it wouldn't be all bad.
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Well yes of course it is unrealistic. But its not as utopian as you might think. The thing is, its a mindset that it has to be about countries. Well it will be about countries to some extent as long as there are countries but it still could be about the athletes and their performances first. People can be proud of their fellows from their country and support an sports program without it having to culminate in something that becomes a geopolitical proxy.

The next best alternative, and far more likely of course, is that the Olys cease to exist. And in fact since sports won't cease exist that would likely achieve the goal of getting the nationalism out of it just in a different way.
 
If the Olympics stopped having athletes represent countries then would every Olympic sport have to do the same? How would teams be formed? How would the ISU determine competitors? How would athletes from smaller skating countries get to compete?
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
If the Olympics stopped having athletes represent countries then would every Olympic sport have to do the same? How would teams be formed? How would the ISU determine competitors? How would athletes from smaller skating countries get to compete?
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You'd have to have a United Nations of sports that would sponsor the best athletes no matter what country and that would help support sporting institutions in poorer countries that can't do it on their own. Its unrealistic but not impossible. But there's no point in fleshing it out more unless you like fictional scenarios as its not going to happen. Its just worth thinking about the fact that things could be different.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
If the Olympics stopped having athletes represent countries then would every Olympic sport have to do the same? How would teams be formed? How would the ISU determine competitors? How would athletes from smaller skating countries get to compete?
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Ranking points. Like tennis. All would compete and accumulate points and highest point getters would be eligible for Olympics.
 
caseyedwards said:
That’s very presumptuous! Why does he think he’ll be invited by the IOC? He doesn’t even know what their standards will be. Plus he missed a season where he wasn’t tested once for doping. He’s not going.
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What the rules said is the athlete submits an application and then the committee approves or disapproves. They aren't "inviting" anybody.

Do you really get that big a thrill trying to create drama? That's really sort of pathetic.
 
rfisher said:
What the rules said is the athlete submits an application and then the committee approves or disapproves. They aren't "inviting" anybody.

Do you really get that big a thrill trying to create drama? That's really sort of pathetic.
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The word inviting Everywhere!

  • To invite individual Russian athletes under strict conditions (see below) to the Olympic Winter Games PyeongChang 2018. These invited athletes will participate, be it in individual or team competitions, under the name “Olympic Athlete from Russia (OAR)”. They will compete with a uniform bearing this name and under the Olympic Flag. The Olympic Anthem will be played in any ceremony.
Invite! Invited! Stop saying I make things up. Thank you!
https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/...004.710967055.1512667172-320356933.1429429641
 
caseyedwards said:
The word inviting Everywhere!

  • To invite individual Russian athletes under strict conditions (see below) to the Olympic Winter Games PyeongChang 2018. These invited athletes will participate, be it in individual or team competitions, under the name “Olympic Athlete from Russia (OAR)”. They will compete with a uniform bearing this name and under the Olympic Flag. The Olympic Anthem will be played in any ceremony.
Invite! Invited! Stop saying I make things up. Thank you!
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Invited after they've submitted the application and been approved. You're making out as if the IOC is sending out invitations to selected athletes they want to compete which is not the case. Read all the rules. Once an athlete makes it through the testing panel's approval, they are "invited" to participate under the Olympic flag.
 
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