2017-2018 Program Music and Choreographers

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The P&C 2016 FD model, which is now the rage; A sweeping, instrumental piece first, then transitioning into the Lennon song in the second half.

Maybe they can have a voice over with scratchy John Lennon speaking:p
 
They had to stick on Nothing Else Matters. :p

Come on, someone, give me Enter Sandman!!

I know next to nothing about Metallica, but I think this story goes here.

At the Philly Summer International, Sofia Del Rio from Mexico was ready to perform her short. I knew nothing about Sofia or her programs. But.... Black lipstick. Check. Black unitard with silver studs. Check. Hair pulled back into tight, tight, tight pony. Check.

I think to myself, unless this is an homage to Alexa Scimeca Knierim, this will go totally wrong.

Music starts. "Nothing Else Matters" Check.:p
 
Yeah.. way too soon Nikolai. :shuffle: he at least waited 8 years with Gregory & Petukhov's "Romeo & Juliet". :p eh whatever, Alexa & Chris are going to probably eclipse it with Rohene's new SP anyways. Maybe they can start a Knierim's music playlist to give inspiration to those who seek it.

I'm just glad that Weaver & Poje have Lori.
 
I really liked the La La Land soundtrack. I'm usually very skeptical about musicals in general. It has some good pieces with different moods which could make for a good skating program.
 
I like Imagine.

I'm not opposed to La La Land & I wouldn't recognize it if someone used a portion of it that I haven't heard; but it was used three times by young dance teams during the Lake Placid Ice Dance Championships, and I've heard the same general cuts/tune in the four programs I've seen of it thus far this season. (Per G.S., Nugumanova is using it as well which makes three top junior ladies). If the program wasn't working, I think it's just as well that Chock & Bates let it go.
 
People "hate" Imagine?

The lyrics represents an insanely impractical ideology that was not even practiced by the songwriter, may God rest his soul, and is held up as admirable by others who also have no intention of actually living by this ideology.


And I want to say that I'm just explaining why some have negative feelings towards this song. Any in depth discussion should probably be in the politics forum.
 
The lyrics represents an insanely impractical ideology that was not even practiced by the songwriter, may God rest his soul, and is held up as admirable by others who also have no intention of actually living by this ideology.


And I want to say that I'm just explaining why some have negative feelings towards this song. Any in depth discussion should probably be in the politics forum.
Very true and very well said!
 
I find it hard to Imagine an ice dance program to it.:p The attraction of ice dance is the relationship between two people.:barrel
 
The lyrics represents an insanely impractical ideology that was not even practiced by the songwriter, may God rest his soul, and is held up as admirable by others who also have no intention of actually living by this ideology.

That's a good start, but it's not just impractical, it's unappealing. What kind of world would it be where there was nothing worth dying for? You could make a very strong case for a world where no one needed to kill or die for anything, but that's not what he says. He says "nothing to kill or die for," which is an entirely different matter. It means no one and nothing that means so much to you that you would lay down your life for it if you had to.

Pedantic, yes, but I'm an English major. We live for pedantic arguments about song lyrics. :p
 
I'm enjoying the analysis of the Imagine lyrics. :D

I'm not a huge fan of the song myself, but I kind of liked the sentiments of the song about getting past these things that often are the cause of war (religion, possession, etc) which idealistically will lead to peace since we would no longer have these oppressive constructions. However, I agree that it is expressed in a trite way.

As far as Imagine as free program music, I feel like it might be too one-note throughout, but we shall see.
 
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I loath "Imagine". I hate that every New Years Eve, when I watch the NYC Ball Drop, that I have to hear that insipid song as the last thing/first thing I hear to end/start the year. Hate it. :P
 
That's a good start, but it's not just impractical, it's unappealing. What kind of world would it be where there was nothing worth dying for? You could make a very strong case for a world where no one needed to kill or die for anything, but that's not what he says. He says "nothing to kill or die for," which is an entirely different matter. It means no one and nothing that means so much to you that you would lay down your life for it if you had to.

Pedantic, yes, but I'm an English major. We live for pedantic arguments about song lyrics. :p
Actually what is unappealing is your interpretation of those particular lyrics. And you even admit that it's just your "pedantic" side talking which has nothing to do with what Lennon actually meant with those lyrics. To be honest, your "pedantic" interpretation is not even so pedantic, because a real pedant would say that it's not really clear what he is saying, not come up with their own interpretation of those words. I, for one, am pretty sure that no one needing to kill or die for anything was what Lennon meant, not what is in your version. Of course, I can't really know what was in his head. Maybe he indeed meant something along the lines of your interpretation, but maybe he also thought of something else than you when writing that - things like political and religious beliefs etc., not family and loved ones. Who knows. In any case, your interpretation does not really fit with the rest of the song.

Just to be clear, I am not a particular fan of 'Imagine' or even of Lennon, and this song is too idealistic for me as well, but I don't see anything bad in it either (especially if people who are truly moved by it stop and think about some things in their life thanks to it). I just perceive it as a song with a good and nice melody which I am not inclined to listen to on purpose, but which does not bother me when I hear it. I think hate is definitely too strong a word and emotion for a song which was well meant or at least was not badly meant.
 
I don't much care for "Imagine" either. I get bothered by the line, "Imagine there's no Heaven," which presupposes there is a Heaven, which is not a supposition I'm predisposed to imagine.:saint:

I can see it as a nice piece of music to ice dance to, and since Chock and Bates are skating to Marc Anthony and I love Marc Anthony, I'll give them more of a benefit of the doubt than I do to an afterlife.
 
I'd think a lot of beliefs were worth dying for as well -- things like civil rights and free speech and what not.
 
English being my second language, I never listen too much for the lyrics of songs. I usually go just with the melody. That means that I don't know lyrics of most of the songs, don't really know what they are about, and end up liking songs based purely on the melody. It is weird because if I read the lyrics I wouldn't have a problem with understanding the meaning, but when I hear it, I mostly tune out the words and hear just the melody. I am not sure why it is happening, because I have no problem with understanding spoken word, but it is like if a different part of brain processed my translating and a different part was enjoying the melody, and both parts of the brain could not work together. I would take in words in small parts of the song, but definitely not long enough parts that I would know what the song is about. Does anyone else from non native speakers noticed this?
 
I would take in words in small parts of the song, but definitely not long enough parts that I would know what the song is about. Does anyone else from non native speakers noticed this?
Yeah, that happens often. (Unless of course it's a super simple & obvious "I love you" or "let's party" song or something that doesn't really require any sort of higher brain function/effort)
 
English being my second language, I never listen too much for the lyrics of songs. I usually go just with the melody. That means that I don't know lyrics of most of the songs, don't really know what they are about, and end up liking songs based purely on the melody. It is weird because if I read the lyrics I wouldn't have a problem with understanding the meaning, but when I hear it, I mostly tune out the words and hear just the melody. I am not sure why it is happening, because I have no problem with understanding spoken word, but it is like if a different part of brain processed my translating and a different part was enjoying the melody, and both parts of the brain could not work together. I would take in words in small parts of the song, but definitely not long enough parts that I would know what the song is about. Does anyone else from non native speakers noticed this?
I don't believe that mostly tuning out the words and just hearing the melody is something that is exclusive to non-native speakers. I tend to believe that it happens across-the-board. In some cases, depending on the music or the song in question, it can actually be a godsend. :saint:
 
I don't believe that mostly tuning out the words and just hearing the melody is something that is exclusive to non-native speakers. I tend to believe that it happens across-the-board. In some cases, depending on the music or the song in question, it can actually be a godsend. :saint:
I am not sure. It never happens to me in my mother's tongue. When I hear songs in my first language, I get into my head the words and melody together, without having to think about it. In my other languages I either listen to the music for enjoyment and then I don't take the words in (I wouldn't be able to say what the song is about), or I specifically concentrate on words and then I am not listening for enjoyment. Probably the separation of feeling part of the brain and thinking part?
 
I am not sure. It never happens to me in my mother's tongue (...)
Could you maybe turn your posts about this subject into a new thread over at the Trash Can? I'd like to discuss this with you but this thread is probably not the place for it... :shuffle:
 
Sorry for the thread drift. It just popped to my head when you started discussing how you hate the song Imagine because of the lyrics and I realised that I have no clue whatsoever what the song is about.
 

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