Japanese Figure Skating 2016/17 season news, national team, updates

So If I get this right. Imai didn't qualify for nationals . There were 7 spots available at Eastern Sectionals with one already taken by Nagai and Haruka placed 7th :(
Wakaba Higuchi won the event and her placement doesn't count so Haruka Imai makes it:
Haruka Imai gets in because she is the 6th highest, not counting Higuchi in 1st and adding in Nagai who had a bye.
 
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@black labrador posted these projected Senior Nationals singles entries in the Kiss & Cry forum yesterday:

All-Japan Figure Skating Championships (ladies)

WESTERN
1. Mariko KIHARA
2. Rin NITAYA
3. Miyabi OHBA
4. Hinano ISOBE
5. Hina TAKENO
6. Chinatsu MORI
7. Ayaka HOSODA
8. Miaki MORISITA
9. Miyu NAKASHIO
10. Saya UENO

Seed - Satoko MIYAHARA
Seed - Mao ASADA
Bye - Kanako MURAKAMI
Bye - Yura MATSUDA
Bye - Rika HONGO
Bye - Mai MIHARA

EASTERN

1. Honoka HIROTANI
2. Hinato OOSAWA
3. Kirari KOBYASHI
4. Nana MATSUSHIMA
5. Reia FUNASAKO
6. Haruka IMAI

Seed - Wakaba HIGUCHI
Bye - Yuka NAGAI


All-Japan Figure Skating Championships (men)


WESTERN
1 Ryuju HINO
2 Sei KAWAHARA
3 Shu NAKAMURA
4 Kohei YOSHINO
5 Taichi HONDA
6 Junya WATANABE
7 Koshin YAMADA
8 Naoki ODA
9 Kousuke NAKANO
10 Junsuke TOKIKUNI
11 KEIICHIROH SASAHARA

Seed - Shoma UNO
Seed - Takahito MURA
Bye - Keiji TANAKA

EASTERN
1 Hiroaki SATO
2 Jun SUZUKI
3 Yoji NAKANI
4 Ryo SAGAMI
5 Satoshi NAKAMURA
6 Hiroki HONDA
7 Genki SUZUKI
8 Hidetsugu KAMATA
9 Shion KAMADA

Seed - Yuzuru HANYU
Calendar: Domestic competitions
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Nov. 18-20, National Junior, Hokkaido
Dec. 22-25, Nationals, Osaka
 
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Haruka just lost to a bunch of people whom I have never heard of. Does she even have international assignments this season?
 
Haruka Imai has not competed internationally so far this season, AFAIK.

11th place in the Western Sectional was Riona Kato :( - both she and Miyu Nakashio are listed to compete at Warsaw Cup next week.
 
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I love this article from Nobuo Sato about his love for skating skills and compulsory figures. He mentioned about John Curry and Lori Nichol too.

Nobuo Sato with 50 years of coaching experience talks about "The awesome skills which was handed down to Mao Asada"
(My rough translation)

1990 was the last year when competitions had compulsory figures. After eliminating compulsory figures from competitions, medal contenders for 1991 Worlds changed drastically. It pushed skaters who can do jumps up to the top contenders. And it made a 180-degree-change happen in the history of figure skating. Taking it into considerations, maybe it is no exaggerations to say figure skating of the days when compulsory figures remained strong and the current figure skating are totally different sports.

That said, I think it's safe to say compulsory figures are one of the essential training for improving in "skating" skills.

Can you draw a circle and come back to the exact place where you started? How do you make it? Skating needs the skills you used here. While compulsory figures disappeared from current competitions, it won't be changed permanently that knowing school figures is helpful for you.

It's not serious compulsory figures where skaters drew circles in old days but it's more like introducing "compulsory figures" by requiring skaters to do complicated steps and tell "Learn this and that edge works and turns." This is today's free skating.

Actually there are coaches who acquired good skills in compulsory figures. They surely teach compulsory figures to their students even if not much. In Japan there still remain compulsory figures in "badge test" (a qualification test from level 1 to 8 which are required for participating in competitions) where skaters are required to draw a semi-circle (skating on one foot and drawing a half circle) and do change-edges and various turns within the semi-circle.

I sometimes feel skaters who acquired good skills in compulsory figures are pushing up the level of skating. Using accurate edges gives a birth to a clean arc. I don't mean the beauty appears in a trace but I mean the beauty appears in the movements. Such movements are very accurate and very beautiful. Those beautiful movements with no useless power should be remained, I believe.

That being said, while I keep my thoughts in my mind, if I'm asked "How much will it be reflected in scores under current rules?", my answer will be "almost zero." No matter who says what, skaters who do jumps will win. Then the story goes like "Don't waste your time for working on compulsory figures and try one more jump instead."

In current competitions difficult jumps and excellent jumps are shown one after another and it became the main stream of deciding who wins. This phenomenon is the result of eliminating compulsory figures from competitions and at the same time it is one of the reasons why figure skating drew world wide popularity. So it can't be helped.

That said, the essence of figure skating will never be changed. I believe we should not leave skating skills forgotten. How wonderful it will be if a skater does cluster turns with accurate and beautiful edge works! I'll be thrilled. I have strong feelings in my mind that I want to hand down the skills such as "You need to use your upper body in this way for doing accurate and beautiful edge works" to next generation or the one after the next.

To me skating is something smooth to the end of the world. It's smooth and fluid, and never be forcible with useless power, it should be smooooooth, just like being pulled by someone under the ice. This is my ideal. I keep my ideal in my mind and talk to everyone around me "Let's challenge it!"

When a skater looks like just simply "skating", s/he is using skills. Put your weight on your left foot, for example. If you stretch your left knee, of course your center of gravity goes up. The slight stretch of your knee will naturally make you glide forward smoothly. On the moment you may have an intention to push the ice. Or you may just keep your knee stretched to prepare for a next movement. Such difference makes a surprisingly huge gap of speed in 5, 10 or 15 strokes. Even when a skater looks like just simply skating, skills are needed for skating.

Seeing someone skates with feeling the difference of every stroke one by one makes me thrilled and I can't help but saying "What a wonderful skater!" to myself. Among current top skaters Carolina Kostner is one of the skaters I feel attracted to. She's such a skillful skater.

Also I felt "Wow How skillful Mao Asada's skating is!" once again when I saw her at this year's THE ICE. The direction of her skating may be a bit different from Kostner's and she has her own excellence.

There was a certain kind of turns that she showed in her exhibition program at the show. It reminded me of John Curry's first ever ice show as a pro-skater held in New York long ago. In the dark at the rink there was only one spotlight. He appeared in the spotlight from nowhere. Then he skated around the rink a few times and showed the turns of the kind which Mao did in her exhibition program.

Lori Nichol is the one who once learned skating under Curry and she's a choreographer of Mao. Curry told Lori to work on compulsory figures all the way. Some of what Curry taught to her are handed down to Mao. They are connected. Curry is such a great skater. What he taught to his student is handed down to a student of his student and what he taught is handed down through generations. Curry left a talent who is Lori. And the talent is choreographing programs for world's top level skaters.

I heard good reputations for Mao's exhibition program of this season as innovative and challenging. Since I've seen that kind of program from 1972, I'm not sure her program is actually innovative. What I can say is it's great to have someone in the current field who can do something close to the skating of old days. Especially, her steps in the end of the program is so skillful and I think you may say that's simply awesome.

For compulsory figures you need everything of knee bent and stretch, swings of your free leg, where to put your upper body's weight, and so on. After all compulsory figures are what a skater's body memorized, or in other words it's skater's sensitivity itself.

So, it's tough to teach it to someone else. We coaches try our best in teaching by words. Then we sometimes receive reactions like "And what happens?" from our students. It makes us feel "Done." No way we can say how much our students will be reworded in their scores by working on compulsory figures.

Finally I have a thing that I want to say. It doesn't mean you are unable to skate even if you can't do compulsory figures. While, if you have knowledge and skills in compulsory figures, surely it will be very helpful for your skating now and forever.

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I loved to read Mr Sato saying he understands to the hell that jumps are important to win and then he repeats "that said" "that said" :lol: skating skills should not be forgotten and compulsory figures are very helpful for you. I kind of understood what Mao and Mr Sato are aining at showing in competitions. Fingers crossed for Mao's recovery from an injury in her left knee and she'll show her best performance before she retires.

Mao's EX number which is mentioned in the article:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPPAArR6HCU
 
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I have a bad feeling about the 3 japanese ladies spots for pyeongchang.

Ladies field became insanely deep. i fear this might become a big shiver-competition for the japanese fed in helsinki next year :drama:
 
Yes. :drama: As long as Mao Asada is there then the chips can fall where they may. As long as Marin Honda/Wakaba Higuchi and Satoko Miyahara are the other two Oly spots then skating won't feel sad. There's no need for skating to feel sad without Mao Asada because she will be there and it'll be fantastic. :fragile:
 
I have a bad feeling about the 3 japanese ladies spots for pyeongchang.

Ladies field became insanely deep. i fear this might become a big shiver-competition for the japanese fed in helsinki next year :drama:
I kind of feel Satoko(5) + Wakaba(7) < 13 :D
Even if Japanese ladies lose the 3rd spot, whatever will be will be. It means Japanese ladies don't deserve to have 3 spots. Period. :drama:
 
I was just thinking about the Japanese ladies Olympic spots as well.

With Mao injured and Rika getting dinged this season, we will have to see.

I hope Mao just takes time off to regroup.

Luckily Satoko is very consistent, Wakaba has lots of experience against the Russians and Mai is technically sound.
 
I have a bad feeling about the 3 japanese ladies spots for pyeongchang.

Ladies field became insanely deep. i fear this might become a big shiver-competition for the japanese fed in helsinki next year :drama:
It has JUST dawned on me that this will be the last worlds before the Olympics. Was Sochi that long ago? :scream:

On the flip side, France might bag two spots, because.... you know, Laurine :swoon:
 
I kind of feel Satoko(5) + Wakaba(7) < 13 :D
Even if Japanese ladies lose the 3rd spot, whatever will be will be. It means Japanese ladies don't deserve to have 3 spots. Period. :drama:
Except, if USA are gifted with a 4th place for splatfest Gold and a silver medal for Wonky Wagner :shuffle: Then it's more Period pain. Non?!
 
Mao is injured and inconsistent. Satoko is consistent but also consistently dinged on jumps and somewhat lowballed on PCS. I actually think the prospect of a Japanese lady on the PC Olympic podium is not that high.

I totally see a 2017 World Team of Satoko, Wakaba and Mai; and a PC Olympic team of Satoko, Wakaba and Marin. If a clean Satoko is no longer competitive, perhaps Mai should be given a chance over Satoko.
 
Is there a thread on Japanese Junior Nationals?

The ladies' medalists were:

1. Kaori Sakamoto
2. Yuna Shiraiwa
3. Marin Honda

http://www.jsfresults.com/non_responsive_toppage.htm?figure_top.htm,National/2016-2017/fs_e/national_jr/index.htm

Rika Kihira was 11th. She messed up the 3A and a 2A.

Yuna Shiraiwa changed her program. She went back to last year's music, but with vocals. I preferred the instrumental version (I actually preferred this year's free skate music). She's really grown a lot. Two 3Lz+3T instead of a 3S+3Lo. She won the free.

I believe the top three get to compete at Senior Nationals.

Not sure who the Jr. Worlds team will be -- Sakamoto is a lock, I think (she had a sizable lead on the field).

The JSF loves Honda, but she seems to be a fragile competitor (crying in the kiss and cry).

Shiraiwa hasn't qualified for the JGPF, but Kihira has.

Kihira has tons of promise but I think the should send the medalists. Have them maximize berths on the JGP next year and prep them for the senior circuit.
 
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Is there a thread on Japanese Junior Nationals?

The ladies' medalists were:

1. Kaori Sakamoto
2. Yuna Shiraiwa
3. Marin Honda

http://www.jsfresults.com/non_responsive_toppage.htm?figure_top.htm,National/2016-2017/fs_e/national_jr/index.htm

Rika Kihira was 11th. She messed up the 3A and a 2A.

Yuna Shiraiwa changed her program. She went back to last year's music, but with vocals. I preferred the instrumental version (I actually preferred this year's free skate music). She's really grown a lot. Two 3Lz+3T instead of a 3S+3Lo. She won the free.

I believe the top three get to compete at Senior Nationals.

Not sure who the Jr. Worlds team will be -- Sakamoto is a lock, I think (she had a sizable lead on the field).

The JSF loves Honda, but she seems to be a fragile competitor (crying in the kiss and cry).

Shiraiwa hasn't qualified for the JGPF, but Kihira has.

Kihira has tons of promise but I think the should send the medalists. Have them maximize berths on the JGP next year and prep them for the senior circuit.
Here in the KnC area.
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...her-domestic-competitions.99398/#post-4934209

ETA:
Copying a link to a clip of a successful 3A from Yuhana Yokoi during warm-up at Jr Nationals from the thread in KnC area.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/800252478176362497/pu/vid/1280x720/egjHUhoB_IDHObZX.mp4
 
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Congrats to Tanaka for his first medal in Sr GP series! With Dice injured, now Tanaka is a serious contender for the third spot for Worlds - together with Mura. I kid of wish the spot will go to Tanaka this time.

Congrats to Ryuju for making his debut at a Sr GP event! Forget about the results at NHK...

I have to leave a note that Rika Kihira injured in her left knee a week before Jr Nationals. Her injury is in the same place as Mao's. 3A is such a risky jump for ladies. Wish quick and full recovery for both of them.
 
Congrats to Tanaka for his first medal in Sr GP series! With Dice injured, now Tanaka is a serious contender for the third spot for Worlds - together with Mura. I kid of wish the spot will go to Tanaka this time.

And with Hanyu and Uno in play, he will have no pressure to keep spots or anything. What a great way to enjoy a 1st Worlds!
 
Cross-posting this pre-NHK Trophy article in this thread & in her fan thread:

Higuchi makes big impact in first year as senior
Posted 11/25/16 by Wei Xiong, special to icenetwork
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2016/11/25/209611662
Excerpt:
The skater who is being called the "next Midori Ito" thanks to her powerful jumps (she practices the triple axel every day, and she is also working on a quad salchow) sees her biggest challenge as her program components, something a newcomer to the senior level always needs to fight for.
"If you look at the top senior skaters, all of them are doing difficult jumps -- some are trying two triple-triples -- but they don't get high scores because of the jumps only," Higuchi acknowledged. "Although I want to be consistent on my jumps and try more difficult jumps, there are so many things to be done -- I don't want to just focus on jumps but want to work hard on my basics, on my components, and improve the second mark."
Wakaba Higuchi finished 4th at NHK Trophy and ended up just behind the 3 GPF alternates due to the tiebreak rules.

Satoko Miyahara and Shoma Uno both qualified for their second straight Grand Prix Final; Yuzuru Hanyu qualified for his 6th consecutive Final and is going for his 4th straight win.
 
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Congrats to Massimo Scali on Keiji Tanaka's programs this season - quite a different skater out there (with a bit more self-belief too).

Mura was given a reasonably comfortable margin in components compared to Tanaka at last year's Japanese nationals - it'll be interesting to see if that remains the same this year.
 
The JSF loves Honda, but she seems to be a fragile competitor (crying in the kiss and cry).

Oh Marin. You are to be my surprise spoiler for the PC Olympic team in 14 months and be the dominant leader in the ladies afterwards. How could you? :fragile:
 
The Japan Fed will still "name" their 4CC and Worlds teams, regardless of Nationals outcomes, right? Is anyone guaranteed? e.g., the champion?
 
The Japan Fed will still "name" their 4CC and Worlds teams, regardless of Nationals outcomes, right? Is anyone guaranteed? e.g., the champion?
Refer to this post that translated/summarized JSF's selection criteria published back in June: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...tional-team-updates.98522/page-4#post-4819197

Re-posting @rosewood's November 15 update in the Mao Asada fan thread:
This morning's newspaper article:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxQll1tUcAAvUSB.jpg
(my rough translation)
It was revealed the selection criteria for Worlds will be reconsidered. Skaters will be selected after finishing Nationals (starts from Dec the 23rd). <snip>

Japan has 3 spots each for men and ladies. According to the criteria which JSF decided in this past July, the winner at Nationals gets the first spot. The 2nd and 3rd spots will go to the skaters selected based on various requirements such as skaters who placed 2nd and 3rd at Nationals, or skaters who placed the highest or the 2nd highest among Japanese skaters who skated at GP final, and so on. While, there came up possibilities in ladies' field that lots of Jr skaters such as Marin Honda who are not age eligible for Sr Worlds may place high at Nationals, or there will not be many Japanese skaters at the GP final. In those cases there will not be enough number of skaters who meet the current criteria, and thus JSF becomes unable to select skaters. For that reason, JSF will have an exceptional meeting for reconsidering the criteria during Jr Naitonals which start from the 18th this month in Sapporo.
Is it known if the 2017 Worlds selection criteria was revised during the meeting in Sapporo earlier this month?
 
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There are no entries from Japan at NRW or Santa Claus Cup. There is one entry for Golden Spin, Mia Suzaki/Ryuichi Kihara in Pairs. WS Points and SB themselves are not a criteria for Pairs or Dance.

There are skaters in the Golden Spin rosters who could surpass Uno as Top 3 WS and/or SB and Miyahara as Top 3 SB.

@rosewood, please tell me if I've misunderstood "Top 3" to mean among all countries. If these are Top 3 Japanese Ladies and Men on the World Standings and SB lists, then there are other skaters who would be considered.
ETA: @rosewood clarified below that these are the Top 3 Japanese skaters in WS or SB in their disciplines.


Top Three in World Standings before Golden Spin:

Men:
  1. Hanyu (1)
  2. Uno (3)*
3rd from JPN is Mura (12)

Ladies:
  1. Miyahara (1)
2nd from JPN is Hongo (8) and 3rd is Murakami (14), with over 2400 points from last season and 2014-15.
Top Three Season's Best before Golden Spin:

Men:
  1. Hanyu (1)
  2. Uno (3)*
3rd from JPN is Mura.

Ladies:
  1. Miyahara (3)
2nd from JPN is Higuchi (9), and 3rd is Kihara (11)

For Pairs and Dance, international results that speak to international strength are:

Pairs:

World Standings:
  1. Suto/Boudreau Audet (32, 1044 pts)
  2. Ono/Killing (62, ETA: 346). They are .34 short of the World SP TES minimum, and they have the FS minimum. They did not compete at a CS event to get a SB.
  3. Koga/Howe (73, 228 pts, junior-eligible) -- ETA: Split (see below)
  4. Suzaki/Kihara (203, competing at Golden Spin, but unlikely to gain points in that field)
Season's Best:
  1. Suto/Boudreau Audet (25). They have the World TES minimums.
  2. Koga/Howe (49). They have the Jr. World TES minimums. ETA: Split (see below)
  3. Suzuki/Kihara will get on the SB list at Golden Spin.
Dance:

World Standings:
  1. Muramoto/Reed (30, 1345)
  2. Hirai/de la Asuncion (33, 1253)
  3. Fukase/Tateno (86, 320 points) -- junior-eligible
Season's Best:
  1. Muramoto/Reed (27). They have the Worlds TES minimums.
  2. Hirai/de la Asuncion (82). They are .2 short of the Worlds SD TES minimum and have the FD minimum.
  3. Fukase/Tateno (92) They have the Jr. Worlds minimums.

There's another Jr. Pairs team, Miura/Ichihashi, that competed at the 2016 Bavarian Open and missed the Jr. Worlds minimums by 1 pt (SP) and 1.99 pts (FS). They scored significantly lower in Sectionals than Koga/Howe did at their SB at JGP.

Based on the criteria that are final, so far in the hunt a little less than a month before championships:

Jr. Worlds:

Men:
  • 1) Jr. National Champion (TBD)
  • 2a) Skaters who participate in the JGPF: none
  • 2b) 2nd or 3rd at Jr. Nationals (TBD)
  • 2c) 1st-3rd at Sr. Nationals (TBD)
  • 2d) Top 3 in WS: no juniors
  • 2e) Top 3 in SB: no juniors
Ladies:
  • 1) Jr. National Champion (TBD)
  • 2a) 2nd or 3rd at Jr. Nationals (TBD)
  • 2b) Skaters who participate in the JGPF: Kihara*, Sakamoto, Honda
  • 2c) 1st-3rd at Sr. Nationals (TBD)
  • 2d) Top 3 in WS: no juniors
  • 2e) Top 3 in SB: no juniors, unless this means the Top 3 Japanese skaters in SB, in which case, Kihara has the second-highest SB from Japan.
*ETA: @rosewood explained below that Kihara didn't qualify for Sr. Nationals, and all Jr. Nationals participants have to compete at Sr. Nationals. So no Jr. Worlds for her.
Worlds:

Men:

  • 1) National Champion (TBD)
  • 2a) 2nd or 3rd at Nationals (TBD)
  • 2b) Top two skaters at GPF, if they aren't in 1 or 2a. Hanyu and Uno are in GPF.
  • 3a) Not selected as second skater, but meet 2a) or 2b) criterion
  • 3b) 4th-6th at Nationals (TBD)
  • 3c) Top 3 in WS: Hanyu, who can't be caught by Japan Nationals, but Uno is vulnerable to Rippon, who would surpass him with a podium finish at GS. Unless this means Top 3 from Japan, in which case, Uno, and Mura.
  • 3d) Top 3 in SB: Hanyu**, but Uno is less vulnerable here than in WS, IMO, even if Golden Spin is a Mordovian Ornament or Tallinn Trophy sequel. Uno, and Mura.

**Mathematically it's possible for at least three of the Golden Skate roster to knock him from Number one (overall), but :lol:

Ladies:

  • 1) National Champion (TBD)
  • 2a) 2nd or 3rd at Nationals (TBD)
  • 2b) Top two skaters at GPF, if they aren't in 1 or 2a. Miyahara is in GPF.
  • 3a) Not selected as second skater, but meet 2a) or 2b) criterion
  • 3b) 4th-6th at Nationals (TBD)
  • 3c) Top 3 in WS: Miyahara, who can't be caught by Japan Nationals. Unless this means top 3 from Japan, in which case, also Hongo, and Murakami.
  • 3d) Top 3 in SB: Miyahara, who could be vulnerable at Golden Spin (Tuktamysheva, Kostner, Wagner, Gold [if she surprises]). Unless this means Top 3 from Japan, in which case, Miyahara and Higuchi, and Kihara, if she competes at Sr. Nationals?
 
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@kwanfan1818 top 3 means top 3 among Japanese skaters. Thanks for the data as always!

Jr skaters are required to participate in Sr Nationals to be sent to Jr Worlds. Kihira meets some of the criteria but she bombed at Jr Nationals and ended up missing a spot for Sr Nationals. So she's basically out of Jr Worlds. Bummer.

I noticed some of TV commentators are struggling with similar names of Japanese skaters this season. (I'm talking about you Brit EuroSport.)
MIYAHARA Satoko
MIHARA Mai
KIHIRA Rika
KIHARA Mariko
 

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