Mass Shooting at LGBT Nightclub in Orlando

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double post

 

[LilJen]

As after everyone of these mass shootings, gun sales soared today.
because Clinton, Obama, Bernie and mainstream media wants to take away your second amendment rights

 

[twinsissv]

Sometimes I have to wonder if food is on the table and if the bills are getting paid on time. After all, these are very quick expensive emergency purchases that come up unannounced and unforeseen. Well, maybe they all maintain a gun fund.

 

[twinsissv]

Ms. Patience Carter, what an absolutely brilliant piece of poetry. How your heart must be breaking...just because you survived! Do not let yourself feel guilt ridden and sad.

NOTE TO CONGRESS: DOES THE GUILT OF BEING INEPT WEIGH HEAVY ON YOU?

 

[IceAlisa]

Well something needs to be done. And like in every democratic country, things only change through voting. Yes, people need to rise up and vote to change things.

What did you say to the French citizens after Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, rue Bichat, rue de la Fontaine-au-Roi, rue de Charonne, (11/15/2015) Toulose and Montauban shootings?

 

[Cachoo]

Dear God...I'm hearing awful stuff about an alligator dragging a two year old boy away at Disney. Poor child, poor family and poor Orlando. On top of so much sadness this.

 

[IceAlisa]

Dear God...I'm hearing awful stuff about an alligator dragging a two year old boy away at Disney. Poor child, poor family and poor Orlando. On top of so much sadness this.

I heard that too.

 

[Angelskates]

I heard that too.

The story is still developing but it's likely to have a tragic outcome How awful.

 

[Vash01]

Dear God...I'm hearing awful stuff about an alligator dragging a two year old boy away at Disney. Poor child, poor family and poor Orlando. On top of so much sadness this.

The story is still developing but it's likely to have a tragic outcome How awful.

I started a thread on this story. I have a bad feeling about this, but miracles do happen.

http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...-by-alligaor-at-disney-world-fl-resort.98780/

 

[nlloyd]

And out of left field here - when did it become common practice to lower flags to half mast for every tragedy or death of a famous person who lived in your town? I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, because it is a sign of respect and support for the victims, but it has turned into an every time thing. They might as well leave all flags at half mast forever. Wasn’t it originally for government and military deaths, people who “worked for” and sacrificed their lives FOR America? Now it just means mourning of anybody’s death who makes the news? In Louisville, the flags were at half mast for Muhammad Ali! Which is fine. But it’s like saying the same word over and over again until it loses its meaning or something. Somebody died - put all the flags at half mast. I don’t know. I’m not trying to be difficult. Don’t yell at me!! (I'm not any kind of overly patriotic person or anything. I don't have a flag outside the house or wear red/white/blue on holidays! Although when I was fixing my dad's cemetery flag holder, I held the silly little flag in my mouth because you are not supposed to let them touch the ground!!!!) Maybe there should be mourning flags that they can PUT UP instead of “using” the American flag every time. The rainbow flags now are a GREAT IDEA. Just things that run through my head....................

For me, lowering the flag - whether the US or rainbow one - isn't enough. This is a huge, awful event in the history of the LGBTQ and Hispanic communities. It will impact individuals in these communities in the US and far beyond it. I would like to wear a black armband to mark the seriousness of what has happened. If I could talk about the event with any sort of composure, I would mark it in this way. However, I am just too angry, sad, and even fearful for my own safety and that of my community to engage in the in-person discussion that wearing a black armband would necessitate.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I find it possible to mourn and to discuss why our gun laws and political will to change them are lacking.

 

[Prancer]

I find it possible to mourn and to discuss why our gun laws and political will to change them are lacking.

Congratulations. If you explain your point of view and I dismiss it as bullshit because Australia! while misquoting the Constitution, you have my permission to consider it something other than "discussion."

 

[skategal]

What did you say to the French citizens after Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan, rue Bichat, rue de la Fontaine-au-Roi, rue de Charonne, (11/15/2015) Toulose and Montauban shootings?

I know I send my condolences, as I also did at least twice in this thread.

But I didn't feel the need to say anything else as IIRC the French citizens on this board were able to discuss all aspects of those incidents without telling the rest to us to stay out of it.

 

[Xela M]

And, I don't own a gun, although pretty much all my family does. None of them belong to the NRA. None of them take pictures of their guns. Nobody I know has ever shot anybody. None of them own assault weapons. In fact, the one brother who is an avid hunter prefers his bow. They don't have issues with the laws regarding gun purchases. Even though I don't own a gun, I do believe in the Democratic process and would be opposed to any attempt to circumvent it as would most people in the US. I would not vote to repeal the 2nd amendent. And, the biggest boost to gun sales is a lot of people ranting that we need to eliminate guns. So, a calm discussion and a well drafted Congressional bill is more likely to be passed than ranting. It would be simpler if all the Jihadists were focused on thier job and just commited acts of terrorism. We could say, OK. Got it. Now, we get you. But, this shooting was done by a man with multiple issues: likely a closeted gay man trying to prove to himself he wasn't gay who latched onto religious fanatics. The complexity of the situation is astounding. This guy was a ticking time bomb who finally went off. Unfortunately, nobody who could or would do anything to diffuse it did.

And, given the 24 hours media coverage, the next time bomb is ticking away just waiting for their chance to be bigger than Orlando. Everybody wants to be the best.

Sorry, but this is an insane argument. So this guy had a million complex issues etc etc. Yet he was allowed to purchase guns with no problems whatsoever. Do you not see the fundamental problem with that?

 

[Prancer]

But I didn't feel the need to say anything else as IIRC the French citizens on this board were able to discuss all aspects of those incidents without telling the rest to us to stay out of it.

I told Aussie Willy her post was ridiculous, more or less, and BR told you to back off. Did I miss something somewhere about everyone else staying out of it?

Did people lecture the French posters in those threads? Did people misquote their Constitution and tell them that their explanations for how things are in France are bullshit? I don't remember any of that, but maybe it happened and I missed it. I do remember some people trying to tell the French posters here about something that was reported in the media and the French posters getting quite exasperated when they explained that the media reports were wrong and people kept insisting that the media said it so it must be so. But that wasn't quite the same thing, I guess.

 

[BlueRidge]

I suppose that repeating and repeating the same arguments about guns after a massacre is a way of dealing with the feelings brought about by the event. It feels like doing something, it is a way to constructively express anger. I've probably done it myself many times. So many times that it feels like a cruel joke to me at this point rather than any kind of salve for the wounds.

I haven't been focused on the gun aspect of this myself, not because of any lack of concern about gun violence.

I heard the news about Orlando on the radio as I was away from the internet. I heard 20 people were killed in a night club. I tuned in each hour expecting to hear the terrorist connection. Somehow when I heard "gay nightclub," something I wasn't expecting, it seemed like all my blood went to my feet. I called my best friend in Berlin, she too had heard the original news but not that it was an attack on LGBT people. I said almost in a whisper, "Its us."

I have felt a deep fear ever since. Not just because it was an attack on us; the terrorism, the hate, the guns, the politics as well. But I do feel personally attacked and I feel it in my bones.

 

[rfisher]

Sorry, but this is an insane argument. So this guy had a million complex issues etc etc. Yet he was allowed to purchase guns with no problems whatsoever. Do you not see the fundamental problem with that?

Why yes I do. The problem is the store that sold the gun and am.o had no way of knowing about those problems did they. There were no police reports, no accessible databases to check. It's easy after the fact to say something should e done

 

[skategal]

I told Aussie Willy her post was ridiculous, more or less, and BR told you to back off. Did I miss something somewhere about everyone else staying out of it?

Pretty much every post in this thread by a non-American has had pushback against it, in some way.

A short list off the top of my head is: balletmaus, jlai, misskarne, angelskates, aussiewilly, me, even manhn. I'm sure someone will be along soon to pushback against Xela M's post above (eta. yep it's already there.)

It certainly creates an impression that if you aren't American, you need to not comment here.

 

[kittyjake5]

Disney has donated 1 Million Dollars. Thank you.

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...company-donates-1-million-to-oneorlando-fund/

#orlandostrong

 

[allezfred]

I'm really sorry if this is upsetting any of our U.S. posters. I think those of us who are outside the U.S. have an honest and real difficulty in understanding why things don't change on this issue. I think it just baffles us.

 

[TOADS]

I'm really sorry if this is upsetting any of our U.S. posters. I think those of us who are outside the U.S. have an honest and real difficulty in understanding why things don't change on this issue. I think it just baffles us.

Don't be..

I am continually scratching my head on much of the stuff that is done and said in this country.

 

[skatesindreams]

The PBS program "Frontline" had an excellent episode about how the NRA works to defeat gun control efforts in the US.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/gunned-down/

 

[Prancer]

Pretty much every post in this thread by a non-American has had pushback against it, in some way.

Yes? In the same discussion, most Americans have gotten pushback from nonAmericans in some way, too. It's kind of the nature of the beast, don't you think?

I'm really sorry if this is upsetting any of our U.S. posters. I think those of us who are outside the U.S. have an honest and real difficulty in understanding why things don't change on this issue. I think it just baffles us.

And that's perfectly understandable. Lots of people in the US have trouble understanding it as well. Baffled I get.

 

[VGThuy]

Pretty much every post in this thread by a non-American has had pushback against it, in some way.

A short list off the top of my head is: balletmaus, jlai, misskarne, angelskates, aussiewilly, me, even manhn. I'm sure someone will be along soon to pushback against Xela M's post above (eta. yep it's already there.)

It certainly creates an impression that if you aren't American, you need to not comment here.

I think it's more about if you're going to post something, be sure you know what you're talking about.

 

[BlueRidge]

I'm really sorry if this is upsetting any of our U.S. posters. I think those of us who are outside the U.S. have an honest and real difficulty in understanding why things don't change on this issue. I think it just baffles us.

I have no issue with people outside the US feeling this way. I appreciate it in fact.

I actually bash the heads in of my US friends who pop up after mass shootings with the "well Australia did it, why the fck don't we." My is not particular to non-US folks.

OTOH, anyone US or not who wants to volunteer to go out and take the guns from the hands of the gun owners, be my guest.

 

[handomi]

Seriously , if someone thinks that legal gun is a problem, then I don't know what to say. If someone wants to do something to someone else he will get illegal gun anyway.

 

[kwanfan1818]

If you explain your point of view and I dismiss it as bullshit because Australia! while misquoting the Constitution, you have my permission to consider it something other than "discussion."

You can dismiss anything you want. I could insist that my feelings are paramount and tell people what they can and can't discuss. You get to decide whether to let me control/suppress the discussion. That sounds like every other thread.

 

[rjblue]

I heard the news about Orlando on the radio as I was away from the internet. I heard 20 people were killed in a night club. I tuned in each hour expecting to hear the terrorist connection. Somehow when I heard "gay nightclub," something I wasn't expecting, it seemed like all my blood went to my feet. I called my best friend in Berlin, she too had heard the original news but not that it was an attack on LGBT people. I said almost in a whisper, "Its us."

I have felt a deep fear ever since. Not just because it was an attack on us; the terrorism, the hate, the guns, the politics as well. But I do feel personally attacked and I feel it in my bones.

Judging from what my friends who are part of the LGBTQ community are posting on Facebook, that is a very common reaction. They feel very afraid and vulnerable. One of them shared a post that talked about how the person felt ignored by his straight friends and that everyone was being silent about this.

I will be honest when I say that I take full notice of people's silence on certain issues. My timeline daily is constantly filled with status updates and posts from my straight friends and "allies". Which is fine. I ignore the Trump ignorance daily. But when something happens to gay people, whether it's negative OR positive, they go silent. They don't post messages of support or articles that show how the gay community has been affected.

This was being shared by hundreds of people. I wanted to post on my friends timeline that I had shared that lovely letter by the Bishop of St Petersburg, but realised that arguing with him would miss the point that he was feeling scared and alone.

 

[BlueRidge]

Judging from what my friends who are part of the LGBTQ community are posting on Facebook, that is a very common reaction. They feel very afraid and vulnerable. One of them shared a post that talked about how the person felt ignored by his straight friends and that everyone was being silent about this.

My sister feels this way quite strongly. She says no one around her at her work and out in the world is talking about this at all. She feels no one cares about it because its LGBT.

I don't feel that way, but then I come here and see all my wonderful FSU straight allies.

 

[LilJen]

Congressman says "no more moments of silence." Says that these solemn moments of silence have accomplished nothing and that there have been too many of them and too little action to eliminate the need for moments of silence.