Survivor v32 - Brains, Brawn, Beauty v2

[jkl]

That episode wore me out.

 

[rjblue]

I was on team Alecia this time. The guys were acting very misogynistic.

 

[Prancer]

holy lord, that reward challenge. I think the producers probably should have saved that one for a less-hot day, or not made it as long and exhausting as it was. Poor Caleb, I'm glad they put the note up afterwards that he has recovered and is okay, because he did not look good and was barely responding to anything. Didn't even get any final words (unless they'll show them at the end). I'm glad Cydney and Debbie are both okay, that was so scary when one was going down after another and they didn't have enough medical staff to tend to all of them at once.

I thought it was very odd that they had Jason taking care of Cydney instead of Peter. What's the point of having an ER doctor on hand if he can't even monitor vitals and tell people in a commanding "I am a DOCTOR" way to pour cold water on the patient?

Assuming, that is, that he offered to help.

Jason and Scot are huge asshats and bullies. I didn't see anything wrong with Alecia's comments

It wasn't what she said; it's that they don't like her and so she gets on their nerves whenever she opens her mouth.

 

[purple skates]

Still trying to get the Tai love.. I can see why so many people like him, though.

I find Tai rather annoying in a childlike sort of way. Also, the reward was so not worth the effort. I'd have been lobbying my team to go sit in the shade and conserve energy for when it really mattered.

 

[Habs]

Jason and Scot are jerks.
I give Alecia credit for not slapping them on her way out.

 

[genevieve]

I kept thinking about how this season was filmed prior to the last one aired, and wondering what they may have done to modify planned challenges after all this went down (since both seasons took place in Cambodia).

Alecia was definitely annoying and useless, but Jason and the other one are complete assholes, and real bullies (an overused word, but it applies to them). I was actually shocked at how caring Jason was being toward Cydney while she was ill - I know they've been in an alliance, but I didn't think Jason was capable of that sort of caretaking in any way, shape or form.

I was also expecting Peter to jump up and help. Perhaps they told him not to - possible liability issues? - but we all know he's a doctor so it was weird to not have any offer or mention.

Thank goodness there is a tribe swap next week. I can't remember offhand, has there ever been a 3 tribe season where one wasn't decimated right off the bat? It's just too hard to rally when there are only 6 per tribe to begin with.

 

[Habs]

I was also expecting Peter to jump up and help. Perhaps they told him not to - possible liability issues? - but we all know he's a doctor so it was weird to not have any offer or mention.

That was my thought as well - that they told him not to. My other thought was he was staying with his own tribe to keep an eye on Debbie's health.

 

[smurfy]

I was so stressed watching this episode.
Caleb - his editing before this challenge makes sense - so obvious he will be back. Not sure about the editing - but he seems like a different person from BB - and a person everyone will root for. The editing explains Tai's response. I like Tai, he is not dumb, but I am wondering if he is just not cut throat enough for this game. So far the Beauty tribe has not had to go to TC, so the game is not 'on' as they say.
This challenge is similar to many over the years - digging in the sand. Again, it may be editing, but in the past it seemed like the bags were found much quicker. And everyone was working very hard. So were the past seasons effort edited out? Strange.

As someone who fainted from heat stroke/dehydration - it was scary to see how I must have looked to the folks I was with at the time. One of my friends said I scared the shit out of her with how much I was shaking. I have no memory. Just a very hot day, at a work outing on a boat, lemonade and ice tea were available, not water, and was not feeling well when I went. After getting off the boat and walking up about 3 flights of stairs, then the same down, I said I feel dizzy. Next thing I remember is waking up, all these people looking over me and and ambulance siren. Advice to folks - if someone is laying down after fainting - one of the scariest things is waking up and not seeing the sky as all these people, including strangers, were huddled over me. Give someone space, and just a couple people should be tending the person.

Interesting about the ER doc - I would assume it just was not shown and there were liability type of issues, license to practice in that country ?? Or is he a liar?

Debbie- similar to last weeks episode, not the same person as the earlier one. which one is it? She seems more tolerable.
Scot and Jason are just such idiots with Alecia. Yes she is gone, but you never know when things change, and she had the potential to be a jury vote, or tell others how they treated her.
Alecia seemed annoyng, but I think she was trying.
Jason was very sweet with Cydney. I know they are in an alliance, but I didn't know they were close or that he was such a caring person. I get the sense that Jason and Scot are a tight 2 and Cydney is #3. Maybe not? I do think Cydney is not stupid, and the merge will be good for her - I hope. And bad for Jason and Scot.

Also interesting - in the past when someone left for whatever reason, no always was someone voted out. Not this time.
I am enjoying this season. But it has been 4 weeks already - and there are many people I just do not know yet.

 

[genevieve]

on Sucks, one of the thread titles is "Why are Beauty Girls always so boring?". This season, we've hardly seen or heard from any of them, which doesn't help - but they are all nondescript. There are one or two who are quite prolific on social media and I have No. Idea. who they are, despite their many, many selfies.

And I don't think that Survivor would tag Peter as an ER doctor if he wasn't one. That seems like such an easy and remedial thing to check. Liability issues are far more likely (or just his personality ).

 

[Erin]

I kept thinking about how this season was filmed prior to the last one aired, and wondering what they may have done to modify planned challenges after all this went down (since both seasons took place in Cambodia).

I don't know that they did enough, considering there was the challenge where Joe went down. I really hate this kind of stuff, I have no desire to see the contestants suffer.

And I don't think that Survivor would tag Peter as an ER doctor if he wasn't one. That seems like such an easy and remedial thing to check.

Right. And normally when people's claims about their profession have been questionable, the editors have fun with it, like with Philip back in the season Boston Rob won where they had him tagged as "Secret Agent?" or where they change Debbie's profession depending on what she's talking about at the time.

I haven't quite finished watching the episode but have seen enough to comment. Debbie is starting to really grow on me now. I wasn't so sure last episode mainly because while I did admire her "crazy like a fox" kind of attitude, I also didn't think Liz was all that bad. But this episode, I liked her confessional about wanting to appear strong for her daughters but that she also recognized that Joe did the right thing by calling in medical. And agree with the general consensus that Scot and Jason are asshats. Other than that, I don't really have strong opinions about anyone, which probably isn't the greatest sign for this season.

 

[Kasey]

So wait, after watching it (and disliking most of it, as I get enough medical drama at work, and deliberately don't watch medical drama television for that reason), they didn't show the aftermath of last week's vote at the Brain tribe? So we have no idea how Peter reacted with the others on Liz being voted out? I was curious as to how the tribe would spin that one.

 

[genevieve]

Right. And normally when people's claims about their profession have been questionable, the editors have fun with it, like with Philip back in the season Boston Rob won where they had him tagged as "Secret Agent?" or where they change Debbie's profession depending on what she's talking about at the time.

Really?? I hadn't noticed that

I haven't quite finished watching the episode but have seen enough to comment. Debbie is starting to really grow on me now. I wasn't so sure last episode mainly because while I did admire her "crazy like a fox" kind of attitude, I also didn't think Liz was all that bad. But this episode, I liked her confessional about wanting to appear strong for her daughters but that she also recognized that Joe did the right thing by calling in medical.

She also let Peter come in to finish the puzzle without a fuss. Clearly, it was the right decision to make.

So wait, after watching it (and disliking most of it, as I get enough medical drama at work, and deliberately don't watch medical drama television for that reason), they didn't show the aftermath of last week's vote at the Brain tribe? So we have no idea how Peter reacted with the others on Liz being voted out? I was curious as to how the tribe would spin that one.

They did show it - Debbie approached him and said that she couldn't let them vote him out and she made sure he stayed. When he was alone, Peter said the tribe was now physically and emotionally weak, and the second the merge happens he will eliminate the others on his tribe one by one. We'll see if things change after he cooled down from the moment (and having gone through that reward challenge and escaped TC).

 

[Erin]

Really?? I hadn't noticed that

Yeah, it's normally chemist, but I'm pretty sure it was waitress at least once, and then on this episode when she was talking about her ranger training and being familiar with heat stroke, it had her profession listed as something related to that. I'd have to check to see exactly what it said.

She also let Peter come in to finish the puzzle without a fuss. Clearly, it was the right decision to make.

Good point - as much as she came off as a know-it-all in the first episode, she obviously does know how to step back when she has to.

 

[rjblue]

They showed it at the beginning. Debbie was nice to him and said he was an important part of their tribe . Peter can't believe how badly he read the signs before tribal but he somehow thinks he will be better off after the merge.

He will be a friendless athetic guy, that everyone can vote off without any guilt. Had he ever watched Survivor?

 

[Kasey]

Thanks. I was watching it on the computer when I got home from a trip, and somehow missed the return to Brains camp at the beginning. He's a tool.

 

[BYTCH]

The medical team is not Cambodian, so I cannot believe there would be any legal barriers or liability issues if Peter helped them. They are on a remote island in the wilds of Cambodia fercrissakes. They could sacrifice someone to the gods with impunity.

I think Peter didn't offer because he was not interested in or feeling up to helping out in what was definitely a medical crisis, Jeff even issued a call to the crew to stop everything and help.

My question is, given the rampant heat stroke/exhaustion, were the Survivors allowed to drink some of the crew's water ? They showed the bounty hunter drinking water out of a bottle, but no one else, so it probably was some that was supposed to be poured on Cydney. IMO in this crisis the medical team should have had all of them drink water, instead of Jeff reminding them to keep hydrated when they get back to camp.

I still don't see why it's necessary to starve the players to the point of collapse, but then I'm a weenie.

 

[genevieve]

I mean liability to the show. And possibly to Peter. If the show's docs screw something up medically, you bet they are insured up the wazoo to cover it; if another player is performing medical duties and screws something up, that could be a very different story.

ETA: I thought I saw some of the Beauty tribe drinking water off to the side to the action. I'm sure once they saw multiple people dropping they handed out water like candy.

 

[Kasey]

I think Peter not helping has more to do with professional liability than douchebaggery. Although that is fitting as well. But he's not there as a doctor, "Good Samaritan" may not apply internationally, and he doesn't want his ass on the line? He could have at least done something helpful that was not touching a patient though (shade, fanning, whatever)

 

[Erin]

ETA: I thought I saw some of the Beauty tribe drinking water off to the side to the action. I'm sure once they saw multiple people dropping they handed out water like candy.

Yes, I saw the same thing and made the same assumption.

 

[Sparks]

The contestants are allowed to drink water during challenges.
What happened to Caleb was very dangerous. Apparently his liver and kidneys shut down. He spent something like 5 days in the Cambodian hospital and was not allowed to go back to Ponderosa. He had to go home.
Here is his interview: http://parade.com/462694/joshwigler...aleb-reynolds-breaks-down-his-emergency-exit/

This season was very brutal and Liz had to have surgery right after she was voted off.
http://imgur.com/a/eR7ex

I heard someone from Second chances that the medical team was much more vigilant about every cut and injury.

 

[Rogue]

I think Peter didn't offer because he was not interested in or feeling up to helping out in what was definitely a medical crisis, Jeff even issued a call to the crew to stop everything and help.

It's possible that, having just been through the challenge himself, he was also affected by dehydration and wasn't clear-headed. I know if I were muddle-headed, I wouldn't want to be making medical decisions for anyone.

 

[Prancer]

I mean liability to the show. And possibly to Peter. If the show's docs screw something up medically, you bet they are insured up the wazoo to cover it; if another player is performing medical duties and screws something up, that could be a very different story.

Probably yes to both.

My husband used to run in a lot of distance races; one year his brother and I were waiting for him at the finish line and a runner collapsed right in front of us. My BIL is a doctor and at that time was an ER doctor; instead of helping the runner, he went and grabbed a paramedic at the first aid tent and brought the paramedic back. I was aghast, but BIL said he wouldn't touch anyone outside the hospital because of liability.

Of course, my BIL is a major ass, too, so there is that.

But still, I don't remember seeing Peter at all except walking around in the background. You'd think he might have been sitting with Debbie (others were) or holding Cydney's hand or something.

 

[Erin]

The contestants are allowed to drink water during challenges.

Interesting - well, that's good at least.

What happened to Caleb was very dangerous. Apparently his liver and kidneys shut down. He spent something like 5 days in the Cambodian hospital and was not allowed to go back to Ponderosa. He had to go home.
Here is his interview: http://parade.com/462694/joshwigler...aleb-reynolds-breaks-down-his-emergency-exit/

Wow...I can't imagine how bad of shape he would have been in if they had left him in the game.

It sounded like he was allowed to go back to Ponderosa (and did go there briefly) and decided that between the heat there and the family emergency back home, it made more sense to go home.

But still, I don't remember seeing Peter at all except walking around in the background. You'd think he might have been sitting with Debbie (others were) or holding Cydney's hand or something.

People seemed to still be sticking with their own tribes so I can see why he might not have been with Cydney but it is kind of odd that he wasn't sitting with Debbie.

 

[genevieve]

This season was very brutal and Liz had to have surgery right after she was voted off.
http://imgur.com/a/eR7ex

I should have known better than to open that link

 

[Tinami Amori]

Something is not right with the health issues this season, leaving the bug in the ear for several days, impossible weight wise cart push challenge, last night's challenge in extreme heat, hidden immunity idols very high up rough and thin trees, a task which requires jumping into the water with a mask already on one's face... wondering if this intentional or just poor planning....

 

[jamesy]

It will turn into literal survivor where the last person alive gets the money.

 

[Cachoo]

Yes, I wonder if someday someone will die. I also wonder if what happened last week caused the producers to pause or if they thought it was great tv. The fun Scot we knew at KU is not the fun guy out here but I suspect in those circumstances we will see your best or we will see your worst. And I think we are seeing his worst. She drove me nuts too but you can always be kinder and calmer even if you are voting her out. I think they owe her an apology---not for voting her out but for their attitudes toward her before the vote.

 

[Habs]

It will turn into literal survivor where the last person alive gets the money.

I knew it was just a matter of time before Survivor turned into the Hunger Games. I KNEW IT.

 

[Prancer]

Something is not right with the health issues this season, leaving the bug in the ear for several days, impossible weight wise cart push challenge, last night's challenge in extreme heat, hidden immunity idols very high up rough and thin trees, a task which requires jumping into the water with a mask already on one's face... wondering if this intentional or just poor planning....

They've been getting some criticism for making things too easy, so maybe this was their response to that. But Jeff has always said--and I think this is true--that you can't make them too miserable or they just get mean and lethargic, so there has to be a balance between stripping them down to their core selves and allowing them to have the energy to play.

I'll bet everyone is really nasty by the end of this game.

 

[genevieve]

From Twitter, via Sucks...

Peter Baggenstos ‏@47PB
Hard not to step in. We can't interact with other contestsnts. Ocean water is colder than core body temperature....they couldn't hear me...