Zhulin: Hard to Accept that Liu is Oly Champion but Valieva is Not

But I just can’t bring myself to call her the strongest figure skater on the planet. There’s too much of a drop in scores and technical elements compared to the previous Games, where our skaters dominated.

Oh, Alexander Viacheslavovich, go have yourself a Valieva cocktail and stop whining. :grandpa:

Alysa Liu won, and the reigning Russian National Champion finished off the podium. :summer:
 
For that matter, when Alysa was 13, she landed two triple Adams in her FS to win US Nationals. Later she got credit for a 4Lz at JGP Lake Placid.

Quite often, youngsters have more difficult jumps.
 
I realize that much of what we see on FSU comes from FS Gossips, but it appears that the loudest voices in Russian skating have not come to grips with the fallout from doping, the new age restrictions, and the invasion of Ukraine. Meanwhile, Alexei Urmanov trains a reigning Olympic Gold Medalist and appears to keep his own counsel.
 
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Maybe we should have two categories for gold: one with grandpa's backwash, one without!
The thing is one has nothing to do with the other. I am a person that does mourn for Kamila. I believe the adults in her life told her what to do and then threw her under the bus with that ridiculous lie about her grandfather. Zhulin should be condemning them. Why should Alysa even be part of this conversation? Also he was so slutty in the 90’s. Blech.
 
I realize that much of what we see on FSU comes from FS Gossips, but it appears that the loudest voices in Russian skating have not come to grips with the fallout from doping, the new age restrictions and the invasion of Ukraine. Meanwhile, Alexei Urmanov trains a reigning Olympic Gold Medalist and appears to keep his own counsel.
I’ve been reading about the kindness of Urmanov and the fact that he has been working away from the most popular facilities. I also understand Mikhail got next to nothing from his own federation though they are certainly gifting him now. Urmanov apparently didn’t get paid at times and Mikhail was in broken down skates for extended periods of time. I’m happy for him now.
 
The thing is one has nothing to do with the other. I am a person that does mourn for Kamila. I believe the adults in her life told her what to do and then threw her under the bus with that ridiculous lie about her grandfather. Zhulin should be condemning them. Why should Alysa even be part of this conversation? Also he was so slutty in the 90’s. Blech.
I think all of the Russian girls at Sambo70 were victims. Much like the East German swimmers.
 
Oh, Alexander Viacheslavovich, go have yourself a Valieva cocktail and stop whining. :grandpa:

Alysa Liu won, and the reigning Russian National Champion finished off the podium. :summer:
I sincerely hope that figure skating has really moved away from being enamored with the Eteri-style of skating. There’s more to skating than tiny uber-rotated jumps and overheard arms and flailing legs, and watching the Russian national champ (sorry, can’t recall her name right now) made me grit my teeth. I also felt so bad for her as it was clear that she was skating with the weight of Russia on her shoulders.
 
For that matter, when Alysa was 13, she landed two triple Adams in her FS to win US Nationals. Later she got credit for a 4Lz at JGP Lake Placid.
I'll take the Alysa Liu of today over thirteen year-old Alysa. There's more to figure skating than those jumps. I doubt that Alysa cares one bit about what Zhulin thinks.

And I never enjoyed the rest of Valieva's skating, even putting aside what helped make the jumps possible.
 
I liked Valieva's Girl On Ball SP, but not much else.

But I wanted to make clear that Zhulin's sneering at Alysa for low tech is not accurate. She had ultra C jumps as a junior.

And, yes, jumps are not the be all and end all imo either.
 
I think all of the Russian girls at Sambo70 were victims. Much like the East German swimmers.
I watched a translated show about diet and Anna was the guest with a host who liked hearing his own voice too much. And Anna was forthright and mentioned she would weigh herself dozens of times everyday—I think she said 60–and pare down the calories based on her weight from hour to hour. What bothered me was that the panel didn’t seem that concerned and in the comments section there was praise. It was disheartening.
 
Um, has he seen Valieva's Olympic FS? Surely he doesn't think it should have won the gold in Beijing over Sherbakova/Trusova? Or that it would have beaten Alysa's FS in Milan. It's not like Valieva won the gold in Beijing but it was stripped because of a failed doping test -- she had a terrible skate, possibly the worst of her career, and very fairly finished off the podium. If he said Valieva was a better skater than Liu, that's fine, he's entitled to his opinion, but you have to deliver under pressure and unfortunately Valieva crumbled.
 
I watched a translated show about diet and Anna was the guest with a host who liked hearing his own voice too much. And Anna was forthright and mentioned she would weigh herself dozens of times everyday—I think she said 60–and pare down the calories based on her weight from hour to hour. What bothered me was that the panel didn’t seem that concerned and in the comments section there was praise. It was disheartening.
I remember watching her live in Vegas at Skate America and being shocked at how painfully skinny she looked in person. Seeing her later on TV and in photos from that event she just looked slender, but to me there was nothing healthy about her appearance in the arena. She sure was hitting her quad jumps that week, though. Back home and reading the discussion here, I noted that other people said her parents were there in the audience, so presumably the family was aware of her status.
 
Um, has he seen Valieva's Olympic FS?
He was probably thinking of Kamila's Team Event FS. BTW, I just looked up that protocol and the revised version only has her elements listed now: https://results.isu.org/results/sea...------FNL-0002LD--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

AI Overview:
At the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, Kamila Valieva dominated the figure skating team event for the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC), placing first in both segments. She scored 90.18 in the short program and 178.92 in the free skate (FS), becoming the first woman to land a quadruple jump at the Olympics.

Key Details on Valieva's Team Event Performance:
Team Event Free Skate (FS): 178.92 points (Feb 7, 2022).
Team Event Short Program (SP): 90.18 points (Feb 6, 2022).
Team Event Total: 269.10 points.
Performance Note: Her free skate featured successful quadruple jumps, leading the ROC to gold.

Note: Following a doping scandal, Valieva's results from the 2022 Olympics were subsequently voided in 2024 by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).


From the FSU Archives:
Kamila Valieva, Russian Olympic Committee
Bolero by Maurice Ravel

4S
3A
4T+3T
3Lo
Fly Camel Spin 4
Choreo Sequence
4T - really leaning forward in the air - fall
3F+1e+3S
3Lz+3T
Step Sequence 4
Fly Ch Combo Spin 4
Ch Combo Spin 4

That was a tough skate, at least by her standard. Most of the elements were well done, but you could see the struggle on the combos, and then the 3rd quad just didn't get the height.
 
He was probably thinking of Kamila's Team Event FS. BTW, I just looked up that protocol and the revised version only has her elements listed now: https://results.isu.org/results/sea...------FNL-0002LD--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

AI Overview:
At the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, Kamila Valieva dominated the figure skating team event for the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC), placing first in both segments. She scored 90.18 in the short program and 178.92 in the free skate (FS), becoming the first woman to land a quadruple jump at the Olympics.

Key Details on Valieva's Team Event Performance:
Team Event Free Skate (FS): 178.92 points (Feb 7, 2022).
Team Event Short Program (SP): 90.18 points (Feb 6, 2022).
Team Event Total: 269.10 points.
Performance Note: Her free skate featured successful quadruple jumps, leading the ROC to gold.

Note: Following a doping scandal, Valieva's results from the 2022 Olympics were subsequently voided in 2024 by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).


From the FSU Archives:
Her TE FS was indeed very strong, but I didn't get the impression he was talking about the TE as he said he doesn't consider Liu the strongest skater in the world. If he was including the TE he could have said it's hard to accept that Karen Chen is an Olympic gold medalist and Valieva isn't, and the sentiment would be quite understandable.
 

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