Zagitova announces a temporary suspension of her competitive career; will perform in shows, incl. 'Art on Ice 2020'

DimaToe said:
Zagitova’s exit from competitive skating is about her. Not others, but god forbid somebody tells Tarasova, Plushenko or Tutberidze that the world doesn’t revolve around them ?
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Well damn----she is stepping away just when I started to find her more interesting. I wish her the best as she moves away from competitive skating. I knew I'd want to see a mature 20 yr old Zagitova compete. Maybe????
 
Cachoo said:
Well damn----she is stepping away just when I started to find her more interesting. I wish her the best as she moves away from competitive skating. I knew I'd want to see a mature 20 yr old Zagitova compete. Maybe????
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I know, me too. I found her very enjoyable this season because she presented as a woman. The other three still skate too Junior for me even though they’re winning everything. What can I say I love me some Caro Kostner
 
Tinami Amori said:
And i don't get the agenda, very common on english-language sites, to constantly belittle and question Zagitova's records, which are unquestionable... and she has medals to show for it ... :lol:
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I have no idea what you’re talking about. But, okay.
 
Alina Zagitova texts to Tutberidze yesterday that now she feels rested and she misses competitions... :rolleyes: (just when she is starting to make good money and has a whole line of offers)...
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Уже отдохнула? Алина Загитова призналась, что соскучилась по соревнованиям

Олимпийская чемпионка рассказала тренеру Этери Тутберидзе о своём желании вернуться.
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Tatiana Navka, in the meantime... is trying to take her show to Japan..... no deal yet, but she is trying and invested in sufficient market research to test Alina's pospects....
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Japan and Asia are money making grounds for Zagitova.....

... but nobody is setting this 17-year old strait to explain that only "education and money" is one's ticket in life. amazing when life hands you opportunities on a plate, and the adults let 17-year old decide.... :lol:
 
Tinami Amori said:
Alina Zagitova texts to Tutberidze yesterday that now she feels rested and she misses competitions... :rolleyes: (just when she is starting to make good money and has a whole line of offers)...
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Уже отдохнула? Алина Загитова призналась, что соскучилась по соревнованиям

Олимпийская чемпионка рассказала тренеру Этери Тутберидзе о своём желании вернуться.
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Tatiana Navka, in the meantime... is trying to take her show to Japan..... no deal yet, but she is trying and invested in sufficient market research to test Alina's pospects....
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Навка хочет привезти ледовое шоу с Загитовой в Японию: «Все знают, что Алина популярна там» - 18 декабря 2019 - Sport24

Олимпийская чемпионка в танцах на льду Татьяна Навка рассказала о планах привезти в Японию ее новое ледовое шоу «Спящая красавица.
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Japan and Asia are money making grounds for Zagitova.....

... but nobody is setting this 17-year old strait to explain that only "education and money" is one's ticket in life. amazing when life hands you opportunities on a plate, and the adults let 17-year old decide.... :lol:
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Welcome to an entire generation.
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
I know, me too. I found her very enjoyable this season because she presented as a woman. The other three still skate too Junior for me even though they’re winning everything. What can I say I love me some Caro Kostner
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I still hope she returns next season. After all, she posted that follow up message emphasizing that she is only taking a break temporarily and this is not a retirement... I hope she got her motivation back by now :)
 
Well if she if already having second thoughts then maybe she will return. The problem: We are seeing so many young Russian skaters bypassed by those with higher technical difficulty. That is natural. But I still want to see the older skaters compete. I think like fine wine they improve with age artistically. What can we do about that??????
 
Cachoo said:
Well if she if already having second thoughts then maybe she will return. The problem: We are seeing so many young Russian skaters bypassed by those with higher technical difficulty. That is natural. But I still want to see the older skaters compete. I think like fine wine they improve with age artistically. What can we do about that??????
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Why should we be doing anything about that? It is the nature of sport that sportsmen get bypassed by those with higher technical difficulty, or faster times or better results (whatever is measured in that particular sport). If you want to see older skaters skate, you can watch shows. If you want to see older skaters compete, you may lobby ISU to change the competition rules that skaters will qualify based only on their results and not on quotas per country. Then there is a chance that at least some of the older Russian skaters can get in. Or you may have to watch only the older skaters from countries without much internal competition. If Kostner wanted to keep competing, she would be able to make it.
 
hanca said:
Everything is relative. Now Zagitova is the greatest of all, the best ever etc, but as soon as she leaves Tutberidze, she will be the wicked witch. Haven’t we seen it already once, when Medvedeva was the best ever, blah blah blah...
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Zagitova will not leave Tutberidze. The team will politely retire her as she's no longer useful. After witnessing what Medvedeva went through, Alina had learned a valuable lesson. It's full subordination or you are trash and traitor.
 
Perky Shae Lynn said:
Zagitova will not leave Tutberidze. The team will politely retire her as she's no longer useful. After witnessing what Medvedeva went through, Alina had learned a valuable lesson. It's full subordination or you are trash and traitor.
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Oh I know Alina won’t leave Tutberidze. It was a slightly sarcastic remark pointing out how one can transform from an angel to a devil within a very short period. According to a certain poster, Medvedeva was the one with class, the one who can behave, speak, has the best personality and whose s**t doesn’t smell, and then within one off season she suddenly changed and is portrayed as someone completely unrecognisable from the original description. (I am guessing her s**t suddenly smells.) So as much as we are currently force fed with the greatness of Zagitova, one tiny decision and Zagitova’s greatness may turn into Zagitova’s lack of personality or lack of character and we will all endure the ‘proof of her bad character’ on many clips that will be provided.
 
At least with gymnastics there is competition on the collegiate level that is popular and provides a place to compete for those who are not the few that make the Olympic team. I find exhibitions ok but would much rather see competition and I think the Zagitova's of the world still have something to offer even if they never do a quad. And in Russia I think there are so many who might provide scintillating competition on the world stage...not just in Russian Nationals. This isn't rocket science: You shouldn't be washed up when you are still a teenager.
 
Tinami Amori said:
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... but nobody is setting this 17-year old strait to explain that only "education and money" is one's ticket in life. amazing when life hands you opportunities on a plate, and the adults let 17-year old decide.... :lol:
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What is the age of adulthood in Russia? (If it is 18, then I would think that letting a 17 year old make some decisions -- even important ones -- would be normal, especially if the decision can't wait a few months)
 
Cachoo said:
Well if she if already having second thoughts then maybe she will return. The problem: We are seeing so many young Russian skaters bypassed by those with higher technical difficulty. That is natural. But I still want to see the older skaters compete. I think like fine wine they improve with age artistically. What can we do about that??????
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We can watch the competitions they are in. The Russian federation has continued to give "older" skaters competition opportunities where they can. They have to make tough calls about the GP, but they do send out lots of skaters to other events and I hear it's not hard to watch the internal Russian events. If your favorites are still competing, watch them and cheer them on, even if it's at a less prestigious event.
 
Cachoo said:
At least with gymnastics there is competition on the collegiate level that is popular and provides a place to compete for those who are not the few that make the Olympic team. I find exhibitions ok but would much rather see competition and I think the Zagitova's of the world still have something to offer even if they never do a quad. And in Russia I think there are so many who might provide scintillating competition on the world stage...not just in Russian Nationals. This isn't rocket science: You shouldn't be washed up when you are still a teenager.
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I don’t think the reason Zagitova is taking break is because she can’t compete with the youngsters. If she was at the Russian nationals and skated reasonably clean, she could be third. Age is not the thing that stops Tuktamysheva competing and Tuktamysheva is older than Zagitova. Besides, it was this calendar year that Zagitova became world champion, so her age didn’t prevent her competing and winning. So many people prefer to blame the age, but the real issue is that there is too many talented skaters and unfortunately for Alina, Liza and Evgenia, there are now three A that are significantly better. But it is not the age that is stopping them to compete. Liza could have learned the quad when she was 13, when she was learning the triple axel. She admitted she didn’t think it was needed. Alina admitted that at the time she could learn it, they prioritised preparation for the Olympics and did not want to risk injury. So they really have to blame themselves, that in the past they chose the wrong long-term strategy (even if it worked well for them at that time); unfortunately what was enough a few years ago is not enough now.
 
My concern is that we--the skating fans---are not getting the best of who is out there artistically. And I realize this is such a subjective subject. I honestly would like to see a category for juniors, teen-aged girls and women in the World/Olympic cycle. There are so many Russian skaters who we see so briefly and then they are gone. Kudo's to them for continuing to improve the sport but the down-side is that good skaters disappear before we see them blossom artistically. Just my opinion but I certainly would enjoy seeing a change that is more inclusive to these countries (Russia and Japan) who have so many skaters vying for a few spots.
 
Alina has shared 10 of her ad. clips here (Shisheido, Puma, Aqua Minerale):

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hanca said:
Oh I know Alina won’t leave Tutberidze. It was a slightly sarcastic remark pointing out how one can transform from an angel to a devil within a very short period. According to a certain poster, Medvedeva was the one with class, the one who can behave, speak, has the best personality and whose s**t doesn’t smell, and then within one off season she suddenly changed and is portrayed as someone completely unrecognisable from the original description. (I am guessing her s**t suddenly smells.) So as much as we are currently force fed with the greatness of Zagitova, one tiny decision and Zagitova’s greatness may turn into Zagitova’s lack of personality or lack of character and we will all endure the ‘proof of her bad character’ on many clips that will be provided.
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I have blissfully blocked the certain poster. Coming to the boards became a much nicer experience :)
 
Cachoo said:
My concern is that we--the skating fans---are not getting the best of who is out there artistically. And I realize this is such a subjective subject. I honestly would like to see a category for juniors, teen-aged girls and women in the World/Olympic cycle. There are so many Russian skaters who we see so briefly and then they are gone. Kudo's to them for continuing to improve the sport but the down-side is that good skaters disappear before we see them blossom artistically. Just my opinion but I certainly would enjoy seeing a change that is more inclusive to these countries (Russia and Japan) who have so many skaters vying for a few spots.
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What a great idea! What about in every sport inventing a separate category, for example, runners could be marked not only on running time, but also a separate category where they are marked on how they look while they are running! And athletes in any sport could have separate category on aesthetic/artistic impressions the audience gets from watching the athlete. So that when our favourite athletes get slower and are not winning, there is always at least the aesthetic value. If ever Usain Bolt gets too slow, at least we can keep him competing by giving him medals for looking good while running!
 
hanca said:
What a great idea! What about in every sport inventing a separate category, for example, runners could be marked not only on running time, but also a separate category where they are marked on how they look while they are running! And athletes in any sport could have separate category on aesthetic/artistic impressions the audience gets from watching the athlete. So that when our favourite athletes get slower and are not winning, there is always at least the aesthetic value. If ever Usain Bolt gets too slow, at least we can keep him competing by giving him medals for looking good while running!
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I'll let you defend this for track: I can't speak to other sports but I would certainly like to see this for females in figure skating. So the women over 19 or 20 may not be able to do a quad but I think they could still put together athletic, aesthetic programs that skating fans would support. You could be happy for the very young who are pushing the technical envelope as well as for those skaters who want to compete and grow artistically into adulthood. If they can merely do triple/triples I'm fine with that. And sooner or later the quad queens will enter adulthood and be pushed by new talent and it would be a treat to see where they go artistically if they could continue competing in an older age group. It would be interesting to see where the sport would go generation to generation. We get to keep seeing fine skating and the skaters are not dropped after a couple of years. For me it is a win/win for the skaters and the fans.
 
hanca said:
What a great idea! What about in every sport inventing a separate category, for example, runners could be marked not only on running time, but also a separate category where they are marked on how they look while they are running!
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The difference is that figure skating already grades artistic qualities. So the question is how much should it count vs. the technical content, not whether it should now start to count.

Btw, there are other sports that grade on things other than just getting an element completed. Snowboard half-pipe, for example, has execution points which are how steady, effortless, confidently, etc. the run was completed.
 
Cachoo said:
I'll let you defend this for track: I can't speak to other sports but I would certainly like to see this for females in figure skating. So the women over 19 or 20 may not be able to do a quad but I think they could still put together athletic, aesthetic programs that skating fans would support. You could be happy for the very young who are pushing the technical envelope as well as for those skaters who want to compete and grow artistically into adulthood. If they can merely do triple/triples I'm fine with that. And sooner or later the quad queens will enter adulthood and be pushed by new talent and it would be a treat to see where they go artistically if they could continue competing in an older age group. It would be interesting to see where the sport would go generation to generation. We get to keep seeing fine skating and the skaters are not dropped after a couple of years. For me it is a win/win for the skaters and the fans.
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You don’t seem to get it. It is not their age that is pushing skaters out. It is too many skaters, and someone just being better than your favourites. Tuktamysheva is still competing, despite her ‘advanced’ age. Leonova competed until last season. They don’t get send to Europeans/worlds not because of their age, but because someone else was better. That’s life. But there is no one preventing them to compete. If they are not good enough (in comparison with other skaters from the same country), maybe we won’t be able to see them at championships or even at GP events, but there are other competitions they can attend.

And it doesn’t really matter that the quad queens may get pushed out in a few years time by new talented girls coming through. That’s the nature of sport.
 
hanca said:
What a great idea! What about in every sport inventing a separate category, for example, runners could be marked not only on running time, but also a separate category where they are marked on how they look while they are running! And athletes in any sport could have separate category on aesthetic/artistic impressions the audience gets from watching the athlete. So that when our favourite athletes get slower and are not winning, there is always at least the aesthetic value. If ever Usain Bolt gets too slow, at least we can keep him competing by giving him medals for looking good while running!
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Or figure skating could redefine freeskating as it currently exists to lower the value of in air rotation relative to on ice technical and athletic skills. Or make separate disciplines for ice jumping and for blade to ice skills. And maybe a separate disciplines emphasizing performance. The usu could hold performance skating championships even if the ioc doesn't consider it sporty enough for the Olympics. Or instead of SP and FS singles events could have one phase that's almost all about jumps and another that's not about jumps at all.
 
hanca said:
... one tiny decision and Zagitova’s greatness may turn into Zagitova’s lack of personality or lack of character and we will all endure the ‘proof of her bad character’ on many clips that will be provided.
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:D ... and yet another philosophical storm in a tea-cup.

It's simple. I think ANY skater when 18 should go to university/get education and/or get a profession/business. Sport is a HOBBY. I will not like Alina any less if she does not, but since i do like her, i am going to wish her what i think is a bigger future in life. It's selfish to want a young person to keep on skating for your own pleasure, if education and profession are proven to be better options for centuries and centuries.
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In the mean time... Gleikh visits and gives Alina pointers at the "Sleeping Beauty" show..
 
hanca said:
You don’t seem to get it. It is not their age that is pushing skaters out. It is too many skaters, and someone just being better than your favourites. Tuktamysheva is still competing, despite her ‘advanced’ age. Leonova competed until last season. They don’t get send to Europeans/worlds not because of their age, but because someone else was better. That’s life. But there is no one preventing them to compete. If they are not good enough (in comparison with other skaters from the same country), maybe we won’t be able to see them at championships or even at GP events, but there are other competitions they can attend.

And it doesn’t really matter that the quad queens may get pushed out in a few years time by new talented girls coming through. That’s the nature of sport.
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I guess this is where we disagree hanca...and settle down....I'm talking to people all day that need food, coats, diapers and rent. You are my happy spot. What I'm saying is that in fact they are NOT my favorites. But from watching other teen-aged skaters mature into young women and watching their artistic progress over time they EVENTUALLY become favorites because of their technical gifts coupled with their artistic growth. Is there anyway that I thought Kostner would become such a gorgeous skater when I first saw her? NO WAY. And then years later she took my breath away. There is such a glut of talent in Russia today that so many girls are discarded before they are women and before we see who they can be artistically. I simply want an older category so they can remain in the game longer---not because I'm upset about the new young talent or that my "favorite" is left out. The youth will have the technical gold which would surpass anything else. But that doesn't mean it needs to stop for everyone else.
 
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