Yuzuru Hanyu Cheer Thread

Quoting fireovertheice from PlanetHanyu from Max Ambessi, the Italian Eurosport reporter, there is a part about Yuzuru:
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...the amounts of things he knows about all the skaters, also all the junior, is unbelievable. Other interesting things he said, following me, are:
1) It seems that Yuzuru is training his SP in two versions, one with the 4loop and another with the 4lutz as first jump. We will see in the next competition
2) He thinks that Yuzuru will land (not this year) the 4axel, repeating that for now the rate of success of this jump seems to be around 30%.

3) He stressed a lot the problem of the quality of the jumps and transitions in men but also in ladies fields
 
Translation of Max Ambesi’s podcast in which he talks about a lot of subjects including Yuzuru: https://the-a-factor-fs.tumblr.com/post/165975610600/kiss-cry-episode-1

Some highlights in which he mentioned Yuzuru
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(M): “Wherever his body will allow him to go. He doesn’t hide that he wants to include a 4A in competition. Let’s be clear: Yuzuru can complete 5 quads in training; the one he doesn’t really train is the Quad Flip. He can rotate and land the Axel, maybe with a 30% success rate, but he does it. A Quad Axel, do I need to say more?

In competition, we might see it in the next seasons, if Yuzuru decides to keep skating (after the Olympics). This season he decided to add the 4Lz, which he didn’t execute at ACI, partly because of some physical problems. Although in the Short Program, with a simplified layout that isn’t even the one he had planned, he proved to be the perfect example of technical omnipotence that meets artistic excellence.

What can I add? It was a perfect program: he almost achieved the highest score he could receive. With that layout he could have achieved no more than 115,11: he got 112,72. It’s a record for the Short Program, ice dance included (if considered in terms of % points received vs maximum points he could have achieved): it was previously held by Davis/White, who managed to get to 97,4% of the possible score: 78.89 out of 81. Yuzuru Hanyu: 97,92%.

What can you say about that program? Nothing. It’s the perfect program. He could win the Olympics with a simplified layout, with a 4S as the solo jump in the short program, the 4T3T combo and the 3A in the second half of the program. If you can call that “simple”.

But if he did that, that wouldn’t be Yuzuru: in his head, that 4S needs to be replaced by either a Lutz or a Rittberger. That’s why in practice he tries two different layouts for the Short Program: one with the Lutz and the other with the Rittberger, to achieve an even bigger score.

Truly, does he even need that? Probably not. But that’s how he is: he’s an athlete who likes to push himself to the limit. He is competing against the others, but even more so against himself. And we need to consider how he executes those quads and how they fit into the choreography.

He does them so well he makes them look like triples and he executes them coming from difficult turns and steps. I want you to look at the quads executed by Shoma Uno at the Lombardia Trophy: count the crossovers he does and how much time passes before the Quad Flip, Quad Sal and the first Toe Loop. Then look at Yuzuru Hanyu’s jumps: the difference is huge. We are looking at an athlete who is able to put together almost all the best that figure skating can offer; it’s true that maybe there are some who have something more on spins, see Jason Brown for example, who’s the best spinner in the world… Jason Brown who also has quite a lot of transitions in his programs, but then, sadly he hasn’t been able to land quads so he couldn’t be that competitive against the others. But, today, Hanyu is the perfect synthesis (of art and technique), nothing else to say: seven elements in which one could receive +3 GOE [t/n: considering the GOE coefficient, since only quads and triple Axel can reach +3 GOE once the coefficient has been applied], which is incredible. He isn’t the only one who wants to do that. Shoma, Nathan Chen, they will try to do the same; Nathan Chen might even incorporate eight elements like that (quads and 3A).

It’s clear that Hanyu does these elements with different quality: his layout should be 4Lz; 4Lo; then possibly 3F – that could also become 3Lz, we’ll see, but let’s go with 3F – then in the second half: 4S3T, a combination that gave him some problems last season and that he executes easily now; 4TLo3S, an element with huge BV that he can easily complete, solo 4T, 3A2T and 3A as the last jumping pass. This would be an incredible layout, with a BV of 111 points if I remember correctly; with +3 goe on every elements he could reach 140… it’s a whole new level. Then it’s obvious that doing these elements isn’t trivial, and sometimes Yuzuru, when he isn’t in great shape, struggles to complete that layout.

In Canada, last week, he wasn’t in his best shape, and it could be seen from what he did in practice: Hanyu usually executes as many jumps as he can in practice, because that’s how he is. He did his run through – a run through is a practice session with music – in which he skipped some jumps, which isn’t the norm for him. This was because he wasn’t at his best, he had a small physical problem that didn’t allow him to completely show his potential. And even then, without being able to express his full potential, he still almost reached 113 points in the Short Program. For me, we are truly looking at an athlete from another dimension: this is really an athlete that will be remembered in a hundred years as the one who changed skating. It isn’t up for debate here. And I believe he could keep making history, as he is also pushed by some great rivals: Shoma Uno, a Japanese skater from Nagoya, has shown to have qualities to put on the table… maybe more quantity than quality at the moment, but we will talk about this later in the season. And yet, quantity makes a difference.

I remember a beautiful sentence by a dear friend, Silvia Fontana, during the Sochi Olympics: “Figure skating is not supposed to be potato counting”. What did she mean by “potato counting”? Summing triples or quads without looking at quality [on all aspects of skating] and saying, “Okay, this skater did 7 triples, so she wins the competition ‘cause others do less.” For Sotnikova, the case in question back then, quality was there, but that’s another topic. Well, what’s the difference between Hanyu and Shoma or Chen? It’s the quality he executes those quads with. The same can be said for Patrick Chan, another one who - when he rotates his quads - he does so with very high quality, same as Hanyu. Other skaters’ quality is lower, and there we have an issue with GOE. Hanyu’s quad Loop is a jump that, when executed well, is worth +3, no discussion. For what he does before it, for what he does after it. Others get to +3 with a quality that isn’t comparable and here we have a problem about judgement, but we will talk about this later.

So, Hanyu started with a bang. An amazing short program, huge score. A free program he had many difficulties with, but it’s clear his own competition was about the short program. It was there he needed to understand some things, he got his answers. We will see where his level is at the Rostelecom Cup, the first GP stage.

His goal is to aim for the perfect season, by winning again the Grand Prix Final, by conquering again the second gold medal at the Olympics - rare event in the men’s field, we need to go back to a skater from another era, a skater Hanyu knows well and whom he quotes often, but we will talk about this another time - and we’ll see if he will attend the World Championships. We hope it will be so, since Worlds are in Milan, Italy, and Worlds with Hanyu raise their profile by quite a lot.
 
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So I just noticed that Yuzuru is doing Rostelecom this week. Any theories on why he picked Rostelecom this year instead of Skate Canada, which he often does? He could also have done China the week before NHK. And Skate America would've been closer to his training base.

My guess is that perhaps he wants to get his qualification wrapped up early so he has time to train before the GPF? And maybe he didnt' want to go to Skate Canada due to some defeats there in the past??
 
So I just noticed that Yuzuru is doing Rostelecom this week. Any theories on why he picked Rostelecom this year instead of Skate Canada, which he often does? He could also have done China the week before NHK. And Skate America would've been closer to his training base.

My guess is that perhaps he wants to get his qualification wrapped up early so he has time to train before the GPF? And maybe he didnt' want to go to Skate Canada due to some defeats there in the past?

I suspect both your reasons are correct. He wanted to wrap it at NHK, and he was sick of SC silvers, so Rostelecom it was. He's never been at his best at the start off the season, and at SC judges would be unforgiving of any mistakes because of the homeboy Patrick. Since at Rostelecom there is no homegrown pretender to gold, judges might be more lenient on Yuzuru - or at least as harsh on his most dangerous rival as on him.

Another reason for wrapping everything at NHK might have been that TdF was too close to NHK and at SA he'd have to face Nathan in Nathan's home country. The judging would be lenient on Nathan, probably harsh on Yuzu - not good prospect with such a dangerous oponent.
He ended up having to face Nathan anyway but at a more neutral place.
 
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So I just noticed that Yuzuru is doing Rostelecom this week. Any theories on why he picked Rostelecom this year instead of Skate Canada, which he often does? He could also have done China the week before NHK. And Skate America would've been closer to his training base.

My guess is that perhaps he wants to get his qualification wrapped up early so he has time to train before the GPF? And maybe he didnt' want to go to Skate Canada due to some defeats there in the past??

I suspect he’s never “chosen” Skate Canada and I have high doubts if he ever wants to compete in China again after CoC in 2014 and not being able to defend his title in Shanghai in 2015. Plus Skate Canada is in the middle of nowhere this year compared to Mississauga which was close to Toronto and easy to get to.

Rostelecom is probably his best bet for a victory given the timing for NHK. It’s also in Russia where he generally competes well. For all his medals the only Grand Prixs he’s ever won were Rostelecom (once) and NHK (three Times).
 
I can't believe how easy he makes it look! :eek:
He popped several times and also popped it in the run through. But he was kinda sleepy in the morning I think. The clean 4lz was totally unexpected and I didn’t manage to record it in time. But in real rime it looked even higher than the video. Hopefully he will nail it in competition.
 
I am very happy with Yuzuru's FS today. Finally, he lands the 4lz. He did not land any 4lz in the morning practice. So this is not perfect but it is a great start. In fact, Yuzuru never won his first GP and this is the best first GP Yuzuru ever has. Previous seasons he often messed even worse and only scored 260 lol. So congrats on winning the free skate at CoR 2017:
https://youtu.be/MmCXwXgYSfI

Now Yuzuru has 4 different quads and he will do 5 quads in the free. He will be amazing by the end of the season. I can't wait to see the day he finally reveals the 4A.
 
Yuzuru will stay after Olympic 2018 and he might try 4A as well: https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/922143656936603649
In fact, there has been rumors that Yuzuru has landed fully rotated 4A in practice several times. But to try 4A at the Olympic is too hard for his condition right now I guess.

This is very cute moment about Yuzuru and his relationship with his quads, he gives personality for each of them: https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/922482243775483905

Orser was against the 4lz but Yuzuru still does it anyway: https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/922387068956958720
 
There is this analysis video of a guy in Sweeden. He has calculated a lot of numbers regarding Yuzuru here in this video:
https://youtu.be/tQQ5aOZdy4Q

So apparently, Yuzuru has reduced his number of crossovers: 28 crossovers in the free skate compared to other guys who do 36 crossovers in general (and some guys do 44)
He does 53 rotation by skating, compared to the number of 40 that most other male skaters do.
Yuzuru's ice coverage was 705 m in his free skate, while most guys are 620m.

And this is just the number of the early season. As Yuzuru at his great condition in GPF 2015 can travel 720m.

His video of Yuzuru's 4lz is interesting as well: https://youtu.be/cCvUU8y4fwM
Apparently, with not so good of a 4lz in competition, Yuzuru still has the highest airtime among all the 4lz.
Hopefully, Yuzuru will improve his 4lz soon. It will be divine.
 
Quoting from Fireovertheice comment from Planethanyu
So, on slightly different topics: today, reading some of your post about the time between Yuzuru jumps in SEIMEI, plus all the question of one foot skating, I made some calculations of the timing of this program in the last COR.

This is the result:

In.Step. Seq.: 21 sec.

1st jump (4Lutz: 2.80 sec.) + 22 sec. ca > 2nd jump (3 Loop: 2.10) + 8.30 sec. > 3rd jump (3Flip: 2.50 sec.)

1st Comb. Spin (FCCOSp4): 23 sec.

Step Seq (StSq3).: 50 sec. + transit. 16 sec.

4th jump (4 salchow: 2.40 sec.) + 17.50 sec. > 5th jump (pop 2T: 1.50 sec.) + 16 sec. > 6th jump (combination 4T+3T: 4 sec.) + 3.50 sec. > 7th jump (3Axel+ 2T: 2.90 sec.) + 5.50 > 8th jump (3Axel: 2.40 sec.)

2nd Comb. Spin (FCSSp4): 13.80 sec.

Choreo Sequence (ChSq1): 33.40 sec.

3rd Comb. Spin (CCOSp4): 17.50 sec.

More in general:

One foot skating in step and choreo sequences + various transition elements): almost 58.40/59.00 sec.

Jump time (obviously, beginning and landing on one foot): almost 20.60/21.00 sec.

Spinning time on one foot: 54.30 sec.

Total: almost 2.22/23 minutes on one foot, i.e. half of the time of the program (= 4.45 min. based on the rough calculation above)

To note: the timing in the jumps and between some of them, especially the last axels

Edit: P.S. Some difficoult transitions or coreographic movements on two feet, such as the ina bauer or the spread eagles and so forth, are not included in the last calculations, but one can not forget them thinking about the complexity and the difficoulty of this program.
 
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports...ctice-status-unknown-nhk-trophy/#.WgQ-eLoxWf0

World and Olympic champion Yuzuru Hanyu suffered an injury to his right ankle during afternoon practice for the NHK Trophy at Osaka Municipal Central Gymnasium on Thursday afternoon and his status for the event is unclear.

“As all of you are aware who were at the rink during the official practice, Yuzuru Hanyu injured his leg and he is undergoing treatment, so he will not be attending this press conference,” Japan Skating Federation spokesman Tamio Suzuki told the assembled media at an Osaka hotel on Thursday evening.

“Please accept our apology, we do not know the details of the injury or whether he will be taking part in the competition from tomorrow,” Suzuki added. “There are no reports from the doctor at this moment.”
I am worried but I am trying to think he will be alright.
 
Just saw a video of Yuzuru's fall. Ouch. He wound up doing essentially a split on the ice. Hope he is okay.

I worry that he's putting too much pressure on himself this season .... :(
 
Just saw a video of Yuzuru's fall. Ouch. He wound up doing essentially a split on the ice. Hope he is okay.

I worry that he's putting too much pressure on himself this season .... :(
It turned out on 8th November he had a fever, that's why he skipped practice that day. So the practice on 9th was his first practice after the fever, no wonder... From https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20171110-00049352-nksports-spo

All I can do is praying for his health. Yuzuru of course wants to compete but we do not know until after the morning practice today if he will allowed to compete. Briand Grishlain told him that Olympic is more important so I hope they will have a good decision regard this situation.
 
Just saw a video of Yuzuru's fall. Ouch. He wound up doing essentially a split on the ice. Hope he is okay.

I worry that he's putting too much pressure on himself this season .... :(
He did not go to today's morning practice. This is what they say for now: https://twitter.com/sportsjapan/status/928821336746500096
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Latest on Yuzu from JSF's Yoshiko Kobayashi: "He is currently receiving treatment on his ankle and would like to try and compete tonight." No further details at this time.
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I only wish that whatever he will do, he will be healthy.
 
Yuzuru needs to sit out. Needs to. I want to see him do Seimei at the Olympics, not see himself injure himself badly or fall a lot at a Grand Prix.

By competing or practicing on an injured ankle (the landing ankle no less), he's putting himself at high risk for an even worse injury. I get that he loves the sport, but he needs to understand that rest is just as important as hard work sometimes.
 
Yuzuru needs to sit out. Needs to. I want to see him do Seimei at the Olympics, not see himself injure himself badly or fall a lot at a Grand Prix.

By competing or practicing on an injured ankle (the landing ankle no less), he's putting himself at high risk for an even worse injury. I get that he loves the sport, but he needs to understand that rest is just as important as hard work sometimes.
Yes, Yuzuru has decided to WD. It is a good decision. It is ok, no need to push himself for NHK and GPF with that kind of injury. I am glad he has made the right choice. https://twitter.com/ISU_Figure/status/928854223126609921

He needs to be healthy for the Olympic.
 
@Meoima I'm shocked that he did that, but very happy! It's certainly the best choice for him at this moment.
Yes he has not light injury after all.
https://twitter.com/pandaatlarge/status/928857810279940097
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JSF has released official statement that Hanyu WD from NHK Trophy due to injury on lateral ligaments of right ankle joint.
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I am ok with this, this means he finally thinks of his health, this is for long term and he still wants to compete after the Olympic, to land that 4A. I am all for the long term.
 
Many people hope Yuzuru’s fast recovery too, here is a list https://twitter.com/i/moments/929031046527463425

The most importance is for him to healthy by the Olympic.
This is very true. I would have been fine with his skipping the Grand Prix entirely, although obviously it's not practical. He's obviously very well loved by all the other skaters though, and I love that. I hope he takes his time and focuses on the real goal of this season.
 
This is very true. I would have been fine with his skipping the Grand Prix entirely, although obviously it's not practical. He's obviously very well loved by all the other skaters though, and I love that. I hope he takes his time and focuses on the real goal of this season.
This translation summed up Yuzuru’s withdrawal from NHK: https://wherespacepooh.tumblr.com/post/167366810544/article-yuzuru-hanyus-injury-withdrawal-from/amp

He had a fever on 8th November so he didn’t go to practice. The practice on 9th November was his first practice after the fever, hence he wasn’t in the zone and fell down so hard in the 4lz. That’s where the injury came from. He iced his leg and wanted to compete but his leg didn’t get better. On 10th November in the morning, his right ankle hurt more, doctor said no. Yuzuru cried because of this withdrawal. But he understands Olympics is more important and he shouldn’t make his injury worse by competing at NHK.

I think this is a wise decision from Yuzuru and his team. I am sure he will come back stronger at Olympic. He will do very well from now on.
 
Awww he was crying. He must have been so disappointed. So nice to read all the support for him. Get well soon Yuzu.
 

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