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No I actually think one should learn from history. It's pretty obvious you think this is no freaking big thing. Please spend a day in the Covid units. It might help
Will we get 2020-21 GP assignments, and when?
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Maybe we go together.
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Yea!
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Being realistic goes into both ways, optimism and pessimism. I am sure its a big thing now, I am affected by it...but last year 650 000 people died of influenza. And really, we all know that the US health system sucks for most people. It's not suprising.
As I said before...the virus got big in populistic countries like Italy, Uk, US and Brazil
And learning from history...we had 2 world wars and still US is having wars almost every decade since then
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Please @Rebecca Moose and @MaxPower , go out and have a drink with all your straw men. You both cling to them so similarly and desperately.
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Great news
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still you are just attacking...why is that? bored with selling your ebay stuff?
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Something that hasn't been addressed in the ideas of having all the skaters/coaches/support staff at a competition sequestered before and during the competition is something that is now coming up in the negotiations between Major League Baseball and the players' union. What happens if one person - and we know it just takes one - carrying the v*r*s gets into that bubble?
We know that the v*r*s can be asymptomatic. So someone could be "admitted" into the competition having the v*r*s and not knowing it, or not showing symptoms yet. Even if someone starts showing symptoms during the competition and then leaves, they still could have passed the v*r*s to the people they've already spent time with.
At least MLB has a players' union and a collective agreement, so the players have some ways to push back. Because this model is kind of the equivalent of everyone being trapped together on a cruise ship for a week or more
We know that the v*r*s can be asymptomatic. So someone could be "admitted" into the competition having the v*r*s and not knowing it, or not showing symptoms yet. Even if someone starts showing symptoms during the competition and then leaves, they still could have passed the v*r*s to the people they've already spent time with.
At least MLB has a players' union and a collective agreement, so the players have some ways to push back. Because this model is kind of the equivalent of everyone being trapped together on a cruise ship for a week or more
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Something that hasn't been addressed in the ideas of having all the skaters/coaches/support staff at a competition sequestered before and during the competition is something that is now coming up in the negotiations between Major League Baseball and the players' union. What happens if one person - and we know it just takes one - carrying the v*r*s gets into that bubble?
We know that the v*r*s can be asymptomatic. So someone could be "admitted" into the competition having the v*r*s and not knowing it, or not showing symptoms yet. Even if someone starts showing symptoms during the competition and then leaves, they still could have passed the v*r*s to the people they've already spent time with.
At least MLB has a players' union and a collective agreement, so the players have some ways to push back. Because this model is kind of the equivalent of everyone being trapped together on a cruise ship for a week or more
But also because the virus would be in the bubble, doesnt mean everyone get it. If anyone is having the normal flu now or another infectious disease, you also dont take him out of the competition or cancel it
It's a high chance of that happening anywhere and in any situation.
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This makes the case for having any kind of larger-scale sporting season tougher. They also weren't testing everyone- just people showing symptoms.
Houston halting voluntary workouts after 6 athletes test positive for coronavirus
The Houston area is seeing a recent rise in coronavirus cases.
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This makes the case for having any kind of larger-scale sporting season tougher. They also weren't testing everyone- just people showing symptoms.
Of course, we all want to see the events. We want to magically transport all of our beloved skaters & even their unbeloved arch nemeses & all of their super experienced legendary coaches to Oz or Fantasia or outer space or Antarctica where they can all compete on a miraculously smooth, professional-quality outdoor skating rink in front of a miraculously educated & fair, socially distanced judging panel and stream those lovely competitions directly into our homes. Then we will magically transport the participants back home.
But, let me tell you, I am not up for trading Moskvina or Raf or Skotnicky or Mishin or Marina or Tarasova or any other special living soul in exchange for a GP.
I also don't want to see people pressured into having to compete or attend in a dangerous situation. I see that happening where I live. People are planning live meetings which don't need to be held live and, thereby, compelling their employees or participants to be present. Then saying, "No, I don't want to wear a mask because it is sweaty or hard to breathe in, etc." And then I see people who are more at risk acquiesce or give in because they care about the issue being discussed or other people who will be affected by the decisions made or simply because they have good manners & are still trying to behave in a pre-pandemic way that will make others feel comfortable and respect their own contributions. Well, I don't like to see people put in that position.
If we are going to hold events this season, I don't think people should be compelled or pressured to participate in them. Opportunities can be a great thing! But only if they are treated as such rather than as a necessity. I don't see any danger of the latter happening at the moment, but I thought I would mention it because I really do think the people holding live meetings here are a bit blind. They are so focused on trying to achieve a goal or get things "back to normal" that they are not seeing the difficulty and risk those choices are causing for others.
Well, I don't know that they are packed here; but they definitely aren't packed in these locations that missing just posted about in a different thread.
But, let me tell you, I am not up for trading Moskvina or Raf or Skotnicky or Mishin or Marina or Tarasova or any other special living soul in exchange for a GP.
I also don't want to see people pressured into having to compete or attend in a dangerous situation. I see that happening where I live. People are planning live meetings which don't need to be held live and, thereby, compelling their employees or participants to be present. Then saying, "No, I don't want to wear a mask because it is sweaty or hard to breathe in, etc." And then I see people who are more at risk acquiesce or give in because they care about the issue being discussed or other people who will be affected by the decisions made or simply because they have good manners & are still trying to behave in a pre-pandemic way that will make others feel comfortable and respect their own contributions. Well, I don't like to see people put in that position.
If we are going to hold events this season, I don't think people should be compelled or pressured to participate in them. Opportunities can be a great thing! But only if they are treated as such rather than as a necessity. I don't see any danger of the latter happening at the moment, but I thought I would mention it because I really do think the people holding live meetings here are a bit blind. They are so focused on trying to achieve a goal or get things "back to normal" that they are not seeing the difficulty and risk those choices are causing for others.
Well, I don't know that they are packed here; but they definitely aren't packed in these locations that missing just posted about in a different thread.
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That's like saying "Oh, this food was badly prepared and some people might get food poisoning from it, but not everyone will get sick so let's serve it anyway." Not a valid comparison.
Plus this v*r*s is much more deadly than the flu. Also not a valid comparison.
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It's a high chance of that happening anywhere and in any situation.
Houston halting voluntary workouts after 6 athletes test positive for coronavirus
The Houston area is seeing a recent rise in coronavirus cases.
This makes the case for having any kind of larger-scale sporting season tougher. They also weren't testing everyone- just people showing symptoms.
When they found active cases in german soccer league they just delayed the games of the teams by 2 weeks
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It cant be proven yet if its more deadly. The death rate is just higher because not all cases of the Covid are found. Also in countries like italy, people who died were testet on CVD19 and even they didn't know that they died from it they were counted. Also the death rate is highly different by country
Last week there was a flight from germany to china. Everyone was tested before with no infection. After the flight everyone was tested with one case being found. Nobody else on the flight got infected.
In figure skating competition its easily possible to keep hygenic rules and a basic distance between the people. So even somebody has the CVD19 if you stick on the rules its highly unlikely to transfer it. Mask, washing hands and try to keep distance.
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you guys act as though all skaters and coaches live and train in a bubble until they're exposed to the virus at a competition. they're all still shopping, training, and living their lives more and more as restrictions are lifted.
I don't see how a figure skating competition is more dangerous than a crowded city market.
why not hold the competition with as many safeguards as possible? vulnerable/older coaches and officials stay home. same with fans that have pre existing conditions or are older. stay home. distance out the arena as much as possible. it's not like skate america is ever packed to the rafters anyway.
surely some skaters wouldn't want to attend, but I'm willing to bet you'd get more than enough to fill out the field.
if you think most people in the US aren't going to end up getting the virus at some point, I think you're in denial.
skaters, officials, and fans attend at their own risk. many of us don't have the luxury of sheltering in place and are required to work in the real world and have to interact with people indoors, and we are doing fine.
I don't see how a figure skating competition is more dangerous than a crowded city market.
why not hold the competition with as many safeguards as possible? vulnerable/older coaches and officials stay home. same with fans that have pre existing conditions or are older. stay home. distance out the arena as much as possible. it's not like skate america is ever packed to the rafters anyway.
surely some skaters wouldn't want to attend, but I'm willing to bet you'd get more than enough to fill out the field.
if you think most people in the US aren't going to end up getting the virus at some point, I think you're in denial.
skaters, officials, and fans attend at their own risk. many of us don't have the luxury of sheltering in place and are required to work in the real world and have to interact with people indoors, and we are doing fine.
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Wow, this hit me like a ton of bricks. I hadn't thought about the older coaches and the possibility of losing any of these greats. Let's just cancel the whole season.
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Wow, this hit me like a ton of bricks. I hadn't thought about the older coaches and the possibility of losing any of these greats. Let's just cancel the whole season.
Really? And a competition is the only place where they could find danger? Not the training, shopping, going restaurants ?
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Wow, this hit me like a ton of bricks. I hadn't thought about the older coaches and the possibility of losing any of these greats. Let's just cancel the whole season.
there is absolutely no reason for older coaches/officials to attend any event until a vaccine is reached.
they can all facetime like raf and nathan ?
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Coronavirus: Fresh cluster sparks partial Beijing lockdown – DW – 06/13/2020
Eleven residential estates in the Chinese capital have been sealed off after dozens of new cases emerged, linked to a meat market. Brazil’s death toll is now the second-highest in the world. Follow DW for the latest.
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You aren't trapped in a crowded city market and sharing the same facilities with other shoppers for several days in a row. Not to mention that (hopefully) other shoppers aren't sweating or breathing heavily near you.
Have you ever looked at the demographics of skating coaches, officials, and fans? If the ISU tells "older" coaches and officials to stay home, there's not going to be a lot of qualified coaches and officials who can attend.
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My wife's sister is living just in the area across the market. Some measures have been implemented, like registrating for exit and entry in to the residency, schools closed
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There is no way that people won't be pressured or at least feel pressured to participate in GP events if they are held.
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Ohmigosh, none of that had entered my mind. Thank you for your insight.
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But in our competition, you will know who is there. so in the highely unlikely case of an infection, you can track it. you can keep space anywhere, and during the practise on the ice the movements are way to qick to get infected.
again, the possibility to get infected is so little - if you take precaution, and to have a severe disease is even more less
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Of course not, I am a newbie
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^^ Welcome aboard. Even not so newbies often misunderstand each other's posts.
I wonder what measures if any China is taking regarding unsanitary conditions at meat markets, and cracking down against the slaughtering of exotic wild animals?
I wonder what measures if any China is taking regarding unsanitary conditions at meat markets, and cracking down against the slaughtering of exotic wild animals?
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Wow, I don’t think board suicides have usually taken this long before. Must be the virus affecting brains (or brain).
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Can I get you another round of nachos?
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