Will we get 2020-21 GP assignments, and when?

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Philip Hersh just tweeted the following:



Philip Hersh

@olyphil
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@ISU_Figure got pass on its deadlines (6/15 & 6/22) for deciding fate of first two JGP events of 2020 b/c Skate Canada & Slovak Figure Skating nixed them in May. 6/29 deadline for third, sked Sept. 9-12 in Budapest. 8/1 deadline for Skate America (Oct. 23-5), lst GP event




Philip Hersh

@olyphil


2/ Don’t want to be Cassandra, but I find it hard to imagine how there will be any international events in figure skating or other winter sports in 20/21 season without a vaccine.

Entre nous, I think Philip Hersh loves being Cassandra (it takes one to know one).

 

[MacMadame]

many posts

I thought you were leaving...

Hint: signing up for a board only to post in one thread, declaring you have special credentials no one else does -- without proof -- and saying you will leave if people don't agree with you is a really good way to be treated like a troll.

Then you have a TON of skaters all trying to get ice time at rinks that have been opened in the 'bubble' that you propose. This would also likely take away ice time from local skaters who aren't at Grand Prix level.

They could have a secondary venue with practice ice that all the skaters could use. In fact, I think that's the only way it will work.

Whenever I go through and come up with a scenario that I think might work, I get to a point in my thinking where it is clear it will not and I give up. Some of this is just that it's not about attending that one competition but training before and after and part of it is that skating is not a rich sport.

I think that this will only work if skaters go to 1 (instead of 2) GP events and they go to the one that is held in the local travel bubble that they live and train in, with maybe a handful of skaters traveling into the bubble and quarantining for 2 weeks before, but with access to ice somehow.

I can see a few major problems with this:

-it's expensive. Either the skaters or the ISU will have to pay for skaters to stay at a venue for an extra 2 weeks they wouldn't normally. They'd also have to provide ice for when people are in quarantine. This doesn't mean ice at a local rink because that's not being in quarantine. It has to be special ice just for them. Otherwise, no one is going to go to any event that they have to quarantine for 2 weeks before the event and two weeks after.

ETA I don't think it's impossible but it's not going to be easy and it's not going to be a GP like we've had in the past.

-it requires thinking about your events differently. That's hard for people to do. But also, the infrastructure isn't there.

-I have seen in other sports that some of the organizers are thinking out of the box and they are not getting a lot of takers. People would rather wait a year for the "real" events. So the ISU risks going to all the work to have these events and then not enough will take their assignments to make it work.

-If there are no spectators, that's a loss of revenue that makes it that much harder to justify putting on the event. I know spectators aren't always a big deal at GP events but they do have them and they do bring in some money. (And it seems like recently most events have decent numbers of spectators.)

 

[Rebecca Moose]

Translation: “But, but but but I’m me! Of course I know how to navigate a multitude of state lockdown and quarantine rules in order to hold an international event and keep audiences and athletes safe all while mitigating and preventing potential financial liability from possible infections! I don’t need actual experience! I’m me!”

wow could you be any more pompous and condescending?

I'm convinced a lot of the membership here are hypochondriac older ladies who spend their day shaming people who don't wear masks 24/7 or actually have a life.

Look at bars this weekend. They've been packed all over the USA. And before you gang up and yell at me, I'm still not comfortable going to crowded indoor spaces yet. Whether you want to admit it yet or not, much of the world is ready to move on.

It's not unreasonable to speculate about events in autumn 2020, if you dare look outside your bubble.

 

[Rebecca Moose]

Entre nous, I think Philip Hersh loves being Cassandra (it takes one to know one).

can someone translate this into 21st century please

 

[thvu]

wow could you be any more pompous and condescending?

You’re clearly new here. Yes.

I'm convinced a lot of the membership here are hypochondriac older ladies who spend their day shaming people who don't wear masks 24/7 or actually have a life.

What were you saying about pompous and condescending?

Look at bars this weekend. They've been packed all over the USA. And before you gang up and yell at me, I'm still not comfortable going to crowded indoor spaces yet. Whether you want to admit it yet or not, much of the world is ready to move on.

Right, people got stir crazy and are now okay contributing to increased infection and death rates because they want to drink in public. Got it!

It's not unreasonable to speculate about events in autumn 2020, if you dare look outside your bubble.

If you’re not seeing a problem with MaxPower, you’re missing the point and lack understanding of why people did not take kindly to that poster. In regards to my bubble, I’m not sure what you’re seeing. You’re speaking as if the situation is proving to be safer. The data is showing it’s not. We are just getting more apathetic.

can someone translate this into 21st century please

Google it. (Was that more pompous and condescending?)

 

[Vagabond]

I have it on good authority that the supply of brickbats here on FSU is inexhaustible.

 

[Rebecca Moose]

What were you saying about pompous and condescending?

you inspired me! however I'm willing to bet my statement is more accurate.

Right, people got stir crazy and are now okay contributing to increased infection and death rates because they want to drink in public. Got it!

not everyone is content locking themselves in for 6 months, like so many here constantly profess.

vegas has opened back up. you're trying to tell me a figure skating competition is riskier than packed smoked filled casinos?

If you’re not seeing a problem with MaxPower, you’re missing the point and lack understanding of why people did not take kindly to that poster.

the point is that there is a mob mentality here when anyone shares any differing opinion on grand prix series happening or not. same with many coronavirus topics.

 

[MacMadame]

Look at bars this weekend. They've been packed all over the USA.

They are closed where I live.

vegas has opened back up. you're trying to tell me a figure skating competition is riskier than packed smoked filled casinos?

Things being open doesn't necessarily equate to them being safe. When Vegas has a rash of infections and has to close back down, my state and county will be safely in Stage 3 because we took our time and used science, not wishful thinking to guide our decision-making.

 

[Aceon6]

@Rebecca Moose / @MaxPower The ISU‘s insurer just took a big hit. They may not even be able to buy cancellation insurance for future events. Even if a regional schedule could be worked out, I doubt the ISU and Feds could afford to be self insured.

 

[rfisher]

@Rebecca Moose / @MaxPower The ISU‘s insurer just took a big hit. They may not even be able to buy cancellation insurance for future events. Even if a regional schedule could be worked out, I doubt the ISU and Feds could afford to be self insured.

But, but they've been involved with putting on many international skating events. Surely, they know about cancellation insurance.

 

[Deleted member 78951]

I thought you were leaving...

Hint: signing up for a board only to post in one thread, declaring you have special credentials no one else does -- without proof -- and saying you will leave if people don't agree with you is a really good way to be treated like a troll.


They could have a secondary venue with practice ice that all the skaters could use. In fact, I think that's the only way it will work.

Whenever I go through and come up with a scenario that I think might work, I get to a point in my thinking where it is clear it will not and I give up. Some of this is just that it's not about attending that one competition but training before and after and part of it is that skating is not a rich sport.

I think that this will only work if skaters go to 1 (instead of 2) GP events and they go to the one that is held in the local travel bubble that they live and train in, with maybe a handful of skaters traveling into the bubble and quarantining for 2 weeks before, but with access to ice somehow.

I can see a few major problems with this:

-it's expensive. Either the skaters or the ISU will have to pay for skaters to stay at a venue for an extra 2 weeks they wouldn't normally. They'd also have to provide ice for when people are in quarantine. This doesn't mean ice at a local rink because that's not being in quarantine. It has to be special ice just for them. Otherwise, no one is going to go to any event that they have to quarantine for 2 weeks before the event and two weeks after.

ETA I don't think it's impossible but it's not going to be easy and it's not going to be a GP like we've had in the past.

-it requires thinking about your events differently. That's hard for people to do. But also, the infrastructure isn't there.

-I have seen in other sports that some of the organizers are thinking out of the box and they are not getting a lot of takers. People would rather wait a year for the "real" events. So the ISU risks going to all the work to have these events and then not enough will take their assignments to make it work.

-If there are no spectators, that's a loss of revenue that makes it that much harder to justify putting on the event. I know spectators aren't always a big deal at GP events but they do have them and they do bring in some money. (And it seems like recently most events have decent numbers of spectators.)

I'm waiting for my account to be deleted...until then i freely answer on all your more or less mean comments, and I signed up for the board, because I wanted to show another opinion than all your doomsday stories.

For the federations its much more important to have an event happening. No matter if there is audience or not. Skaters can be tested before each Grand Prix because they're not attending every grand prix. Heck the bundesliga (german soccer league) is testing all officials and players twice a week.

I have the feeling because maybe, and its a big maybe, an event in America cant be hold, it shouldnt be hold anywhere else. And again, its 4 month away minimum. So its right to not decide before august. And even if there is a bad decision its enough time to come up with another location.

I really don't understand why almost everyone here wants to cancel the whole season, I'm pretty sure all the skaters would be happy to compete. Life will go one, last time we had a pandemic of influenza it was declared over when we had less than 4000 infected in germany. Now we have a little more than 5000 active.

 

[Sylvia]

^^^ Why would your account be deleted?

The ISU‘s insurer just took a big hit. They may not even be able to buy cancellation insurance for future events. Even if a regional schedule could be worked out, I doubt the ISU and Feds could afford to be self insured.

Do you mean IMG/Endeavor or ?

 

[Aceon6]

@MaxPower If you’re so connected, help the feds and ISU find an insurer.

 

[Deleted member 78951]

They are closed where I live.


Things being open doesn't necessarily equate to them being safe. When Vegas has a rash of infections and has to close back down, my state and county will be safely in Stage 3 because we took our time and used science, not wishful thinking to guide our decision-making.

The science that brought California to a higher rate per 100 000 than Nevada?

 

[Deleted member 78951]

^^^ Why would your account be deleted?

I asked for it...there is a note in the terms and conditions where it said " If you wish to close your account, please contact us. ", and so I did

 

[Vagabond]

^^^ Why would your account be deleted?

Because it's Doomsday?

I asked for it

Indeed.

 

[Vagabond]

 

[kittyjake5]

Now that the lockdown restrictions are being eased it is refreshing to see new members joining FSU and contributing their point of view. My personal opinion is that the GP series will be cancelled.

 

[tony]

I'm in the 'I'm not gonna throw myself around of a bunch of people yet' boat-- not even close because I'm content with sitting my ass at home, but the reality is that many cities in the US have progressed quickly in opening (literally no talk of anything to phase 2 within 2 weeks time) and they are telling people it's fine to go to these next phases. In many bigger cities, that means there are no issues from the states and cities themselves, with going to bars and essentially packing them in. This IS happening. We can look at people like they are stupid, but they are being given the go-ahead.

I think we are going to learn a lot from what Houston ultimately decides to do, but I can tell you- the friends that I do have specifically there have simply gotten tired of sitting at home and they have been making the most of the reopening to say the least. Same with many other cities. Miami Beach has opened restaurants on the main tourism road (and shut down traffic) and people are already hopping on the idea, in large numbers, of going and day drinking now with little regard to any distancing that they should be doing. This isn't exclusive to this location.

This board obviously skews older. The younger crowds are growing tireless, and I think extroverts in general are growing tireless. Social media shows this. It doesn't mean every last person. It doesn't mean it is all Trump-lovers. But I can comfortably say for many, when the cities say they can reopen, these people have little to no regard left of trying to be cautious. I get where people are coming from when they simply question why certain things can't work if other things, such as restaurants known for their bar areas, can be filled up without much immediate concern.

I work in one of the most consistently busy nightclubs in Miami, guaranteed to be filled to capacity every weekend and even sometimes during the week. I'm not anywhere near ready to go back, and I know it's not realistic to think about opening any time soon. Yet you know how many people message me weekly asking if I've heard any news about opening? They ask because they see other things happening without much rhyme or reason and they simply want to go back.

I think it's okay to question logistics of things potentially working (even if factors aren't thought all the way through) without shutting people down with the rhetoric of YOU HAVE TO STAY HOME!!

 

[Rebecca Moose]

my god some of you are depressing af.

totally agree with a lot of what tony says above.

Now that the lockdown restrictions are being eased it is refreshing to see new members joining FSU and contributing their point of view. My personal opinion is that the GP series will be cancelled.

sorry to disrupt your echo chamber, sponsored by aarp.

 

[kittyjake5]

^^^ Will your account be deleted also since you have a dual personality going on in this thread....You have my sponsors all wrong though it is not aarp. I subscribe to troll magazine.

 

[once_upon]

Now that the lockdown restrictions are being eased it is refreshing to see new members joining FSU and contributing their point of view. My personal opinion is that the GP series will be cancelled.

Yeah, me too. One of the old people. who has the damn seats at events?
I doubt the ISU gives a crap what I or others think. Most events are looking at what kind of risk are they willing to take on. And if they can get any event insurance to cover costs if they have to cancel or if any type of outbreak occurs. We were told early on C-19 probably would not be covered by travel insurance so waiting to hear what happens to our vacation.

I bet any organization trying to get event insurance sees it has a specific clause that states C-19 cancelations/suits are not covered. At least any insurer that doesn't include that has poor business acumen.

In any way ISU doesnt care what fans say.

 

[missing]

my god some of you are depressing af.

totally agree with a lot of what tony says above.



sorry to disrupt your echo chamber, sponsored by aarp.

Not only am I old and vicious, I self-identify as old and vicious.

I'm willing to believe the skaters (who are young and mostly not vicious) are eager to return to competition. Their coaches, who for the most part, are in that vast middle region between young and old, might be more concerned about risks but willing (to some extent) to take them. The judges, who are volunteers and perhaps a bit older, might decide no matter how much they enjoy judging, it's not their career and not worth the risk.

But the people who make the decisions, the ISU people and the heads of the national organizations, could well be the most risk adverse. They're listening (I assume) to the skaters and the coaches and the judges and the people who own and run the arenas and the TV/internet networks and the political leaders and the scientists and (I like to think) the fans, and they're trying to make decisions they won't have to reverse.

The ISU just went through last minute cancellations of Worlds and Synchro Worlds. They made nobody happy and I doubt they were happy themselves. They might choose to be more cautious than people would want them to be.

They can't win. My guess is they're trying to lose less.

 

[taf2002]

New game: trying to figure out who MaxPower & Rebecca Moose are pseuds for. Of course it's clear that they are one person so that may help shorten the game. No way she/he is new here.

BTW, we old people are the most at risk from ********** so when you don't wear a mask you are jeopardizing my health. Non-mask wearers are counting on herd immunity from mask wearers which is pretty selfish. But go ahead, hopefully ********** will weed out the stupid.

ETA: no need to wait for your account to be deleted - just leave.

 

[once_upon]

New game: trying to figure out who MaxPower & Rebecca Moose are pseuds for. Of course it's clear that they are one person so that may help shorten the game. No way she/he is new here.

BTW, we old people are the most at risk from ********** so when you don't wear a mask you are jeopardizing my health. Non-mask wearers are counting on herd immunity from mask wearers which is pretty selfish. But go ahead, hopefully ********** will weed out the stupid.

I have my suspicions.

 

[MacMadame]

I'm waiting for my account to be deleted

The science that brought California to a higher rate per 100 000 than Nevada?

If you really believe what you said, then I completely don't trust your judgment on what is safe.


As has been pointed out, this is just a discussion board and the ISU isn't making decisions based on our opinions. Why do you care that people on a board you didn't even belong to don't agree with you? Now if you had something substantial to add to this discussion, that would be cool and I would welcome it. But all you've said so far is:

-you people are wrong
-I am more qualified to judge this than you are (but I won't tell you how or let you verify that)
-you people suck
-I'm leaving!
-I'm still here!

Pardon me if I am not impressed and don't feel like you contributed anything to the discussion. Now I will help you in your quest to be deleted... adds to ignore list.

 

[Deleted member 78951]

New game: trying to figure out who MaxPower & Rebecca Moose are pseuds for. Of course it's clear that they are one person so that may help shorten the game. No way she/he is new here.

BTW, we old people are the most at risk from ********** so when you don't wear a mask you are jeopardizing my health. Non-mask wearers are counting on herd immunity from mask wearers which is pretty selfish. But go ahead, hopefully ********** will weed out the stupid.

ETA: no need to wait for your account to be deleted - just leave.

Max Power is the name Homer Simpson chose when he wanted to get rid of his name, and of course we are not the same person. The staff here will know that as we don't have the same IP adress

It seems like you can't get along with different opinions

 

[Deleted member 78951]

If you really believe what you said, then I completely don't trust your judgment on what is safe.

Facts cant be denied

363 per 100 000 to 340 per 100 000

all you are doing is attacking me, and now you are hiding from me...thats mature

 

[MacMadame]

They can't win. My guess is they're trying to lose less.

I really feel for them. I had to cancel my event because there was no way to hold it safely and still make money. Or even break even. Now when the event date rolls around, maybe it will turn out that many restrictions have been lifted and we could have held it after all. But I have to start spending money NOW. It's not worth continuing with all the uncertainty. And I only have to worry about 1 venue in one county, not many regulations in many places all over the world with people traveling all over the world to participate.

If the ISU does hold GP events, there is a good chance they will lose a ton of money. If they hold them and one of them becomes a hotspot, they can lose more than money. Organizations tend to be risk-averse. Holding an international series of events is not the same thing as an individual deciding whether or not to go to a bar.

 

[taf2002]

Max Power is the name Homer Simpson chose when he wanted to get rid of his name, and of course we are not the same person. The staff here will know that as we don't have the same IP adress

It seems like you can't get along with different opinions

Homer Simpson is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Just sayin'