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Here's the full story: a reporter ticked him off, and he had a complete meltdown. And @misskarne is correct, he had the gall to essentially dismiss his lousy performance in the team event as a "warm-up" for the individual event, which he also 'effed up royally. He was the one US skater in the Sochi team event who did nothing to earn his bronze medal; thankfully, the rest of the team carried him onto the podium.Can someone refresh my memory?
My personal opinions about skaters change over time probably because of dying hoopla. Katarina Witt is my biggest example:I think it is fairer to look back at these skaters AFTER they have retired so that our judgment are not clouded by hype created by the Federation, by fans and by the skaters and their teams, or by our own fandom over them or their competitors, or by some desire to maintain / gain another spot for Worlds / Olympics for your country.
So the question really is, are you changing your minds as time goes by because you have become impartial, or because you have become more educated about the sport.
Settle down,Karen.You used the word "seasoned." Gross.
This is why I want the team event to happen after the individual event.And @misskarne is correct, he had the gall to essentially dismiss his lousy performance in the team event as a "warm-up" for the individual event,
Fascinating post. It is very true that rivalries affect ones views of skaters - and then after it has all settled down, you can go back and appreciate the skaters in a different light.My personal opinions about skaters change over time probably because of dying hoopla. Katarina Witt is my biggest example:
In the 80s when I was a teen, height of the Cold War, she stood between the good ole USA and OGMs, plus a few World titles. It was easy in my 'patriotic' mind to portray her as the sports villain. U.S. Coverage back in the 80s fed into the East v. West or us v. them more than it does now. But, when I watched the ESPN documentary several years ago on her skating career that included Jutta Mueller an Gaby Seyfert, it moved me because I had no idea how much pressure she was under at Calgary due to the deal Mueller struck w/ the GDR authorities: You can leave and make money in the West, BUT you have to win in Calgary. That is incredible pressure, a lot more than just skating in the Olympics against big competition. She won and I realized how much admiration I have for that.
Ironically, she was my 'love to hate' skater back in her competitive days, including her return in the 90s (how I wished Kiehlmann and her quirky programs w/ a 3F would have been the 2nd German lady in Lillehamer!) but not anymore and I can't say that she was a highly regarded skater that makes me go meh.
Opinions about who is overrated change for a variety of reasons, I suppose.
The 'Give Me Love' SP by Josh was a masterpiece of using lyric music and making a competitive program with it. Also he was very good looking . I'm just sad that he never had an opportunity to fully explore his potential in the sport.All this talk of Abbott and Brown makes me think of another skater I never understood but feel bad feeling this way about: Joshua Farris. When everyone on FSU was oohing and awwing over him with his Schindler's List program and saying he was a true artist compared to a choreographed one like Jason Brown, I was confused. I thought it was generic.
Another skater that elicited a not-so-positive response from me but towards whom I feel differently now is Slutskaya. It had nothing to do with her skating skills, just the fact that she was Kwan's chief rival and I was a Kwaniac back then (still like her but not a fanatic)Fascinating post. It is very true that rivalries affect ones views of skaters - and then after it has all settled down, you can go back and appreciate the skaters in a different light.
The 'Give Me Love' SP by Josh was a masterpiece of using lyric music and making a competitive program with it. Also he was very good looking . I'm just sad that he never had an opportunity to fully explore his potential in the sport.
-Hanyu: well, it is way easier to work on developing your artistry and creating new pieces when your body is not wrecked by an overload of quads!My views:
- Hanyu - I think he's brilliant, but he has to get some new programs. I consider him to be really artistic and I think he needs to make the most of the remainder of his competitive career by getting a bigger body of work out there.
- Papadakis/Cizeron - again talent undeniable. But they need to step outside of their box. It kind of amuses me that they are doing the usual thing that so many skaters do of staying in their wheelhouse, but are painting it as an act of grand artistry. lol Like have the guts to admit you have a formula that works that you are sticking to.
Instead of seeing the team events as individuals skating their programs, it would be fun to see more of a “Stars On Ice” style group number. Make it 5-10 minutes long per country and something fresh for us to enjoy.This is why I want the team event to happen after the individual event.
It's just used as a warm up and a test run. And it gives skaters from top feds the advantage of test running programs in front of Olympic judges that other skaters don't have. And then there's the issue of skaters skipping it to prepare for the main individual. I just think it would be way more interesting to have it come second.
With Hanyu I hope that he has the opportunity to heal up now that 'rona has reduced his workload.-Hanyu: well, it is way easier to work on developing your artistry and creating new pieces when your body is not wrecked by an overload of quads!
- P/C: If you consider Ice Dance as a sport (which imo it is alongside artistry), then your first goal is to win. If you are successful in finding and honing your strengths to the point of winning, then you have attained your goal! If you consider Ice Dance to be more of an art, then you let the artists explore their vision. No artist jumps from style to style.
Last comment on the subject (I promise!):The hype doesn't come from them. They are very down-to-earth, humble people. Check it out!With Hanyu I hope that he has the opportunity to heal up now that 'rona has reduced his workload.
As for the whole ~~high art~~ thing ... you know I do really think that skaters give themselves too much credit for creating about 7 minutes of program every 12 months which essentially consist of snippets of choreography in between elements.
They are performers, but performers like ballet dancers, backup dancers, pop singers etc do need to show range to be considered complete entertainers. I don't know if I can keep a straight face when skaters pretend they are Picasso or Monet or something.
Sure, if skaters have a formula that works, fine. But the whole deeply believing themselves to be achingly serious artists thing is a bit much. For me, the benchmark as skaters as true performers is how much effort they choose to put into their exhibitions where they know they don't get marked for it.
If this is directed at me, I'm not an uber of V/M. I would say they have shown greater performance range. But I wouldn't describe them as ~high art~.Just flat-out say you like one team and therefore deep in your heart you can't like the other, because that's a lot of what I'm reading.
Sorry, it is not meant for me as a V/M vs P/C rant ... I just never got enthused by V/M's style of work. Nothing bad to say about them as people.This has of course turned into an I like V/M so I'll come up with ridiculous stuff to say about P/C and I like P/C so I can never ever like the Canadians thread.
If a style works for a team such as P/C and they want to explore, what's the problem? Reading their minds or any other skater/teams mind is ridiculous. One-note free dances from P/C? Well maybe similar. But it's not as if the RDs have shown a lack of diversity and that they 'aren't capable' as some of you are trying your hardest to convey. I didn't like quite a bit of what V/M put out but it was because of the themes of the programs, not because I was hellbent on convincing myself P/C were better. I didn't love Moulin Rouge but I don't have any problem with their Olympic win.
Just flat-out say you like one team and therefore deep in your heart you can't like the other, because that's a lot of what I'm reading.
I can fix that, as Takahashi would be top of my list. I don't dispute his achievements, his skating just didn't do anything for me (with the exception of Blues for Klook).I haven't seen anyone list Daisuke Takahashi ( I guess everyone likes him. )
That is interesting. I'm not sure how much of a legend Takahashi is in an international sense. He is a world champion, but his profile amongst other big skaters seems driven by a fan base and FSU elites, not necessarily by podiums or with a status as a world beater. I also never caught the swoon by many on here over his skating. He had a sense for overall performance, choreography and style but wasn't really outstanding in the tech department when compared against others at the top. I would have to rewatch programs so maybe he had amazing transitions, but his jumps were not what I would classify as amazing in and of themselves.I can fix that, as Takahashi would be top of my list. I don't dispute his achievements, his skating just didn't do anything for me (with the exception of Blues for Klook).
Also Lipnitskaia and Plushenko. After seeing Plushenko live at Champions on Ice I finally understood his charisma, but it still didn't make me like his skating.