US Figure Skating Music Policy

[barbk]

I didn’t call Beyoncé ugly. She is not. Her crazy outfit, worn by Chiles…ahum…

Jordan Chiles’ Emilio Pucci inspired

I remember liking much about Olga Korbut, but admiring her leotards wasn't any of it. If anything, they were dowdy.

 

[layman]

I think this decision will push Figure Skating music even more in the direction of Warhorses than it already is.

I envision this to be the USFSA Approved Music List (since most skaters use this music already, not much of a change):

1. Carmen

2. Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No.2

3. Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No. 3

4. Swan Lake

5. The Nutcracker

6. Sleeping Beauty

7. Tchaikovsky's Romeo & Juliet

8. Liebestraume by Franz Liszt

9. Borodin's Polovtsian Dances

10. Blue Danube Waltz

 

[Rukia]

literally some of y'all need to look at the cleared music database the problem isn't in how much music is cleared lol. The problem is that this was implemented in the weirdest and worst way possible.

 

[Tesla]

Maybe there will be collaboration between musicians and skaters. This seems like a good opportunity for indie musicians to get their music more exposure.

 

[Frau Muller]

I remember liking much about Olga Korbut, but admiring her leotards wasn't any of it. If anything, they were dowdy.

That was the style then - either white/beige or red. USSR theme. But her light physique - Wow! Totally adorable! Comaneci also lovely in her main Games (76). I appreciated but didn’t ADORE Tourischeva, Kim and other more muscular ones. (Similar feeling for today’s more muscular ones - admire Biles but don’t adore her.) I preferred the reed thin ones. Different preferences for different folks.

 

[Wyliefan]

Shocker.

 

[Frau Muller]

I think this decision will push Figure Skating music even more in the direction of Warhorses than it already is.

I envision this to be the USFSA Approved Music List (since most skaters use this music already, not much of a change):

1. Carmen

2. Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No.2

3. Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No. 3

4. Swan Lake

5. The Nutcracker

6. Sleeping Beauty

7. Tchaikovsky's Romeo & Juliet

8. Liebestraume by Franz Liszt

9. Borodin's Polovtsian Dances

10. Blue Danube Waltz

A good list. I’d add Peggy Fleming’s music - Samson & Delilah and Traviata. Or Moiseyev folk dances (Julie Lynn Holmes). Or Beethoven’s Fidelio (Janet Lynn).
Before the internet, I remember mailing LPs or tapes to my favorite skaters! “Try this…” A skater actually tried La Valse and other Debussy tunes that I sent her. And a guy tried Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto that I mailed. Ah, those were the days!

 

[skatfan]

I think this decision will push Figure Skating music even more in the direction of Warhorses than it already is.

I envision this to be the USFSA Approved Music List (since most skaters use this music already, not much of a change):

1. Carmen

2. Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No.2

3. Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No. 3

4. Swan Lake

5. The Nutcracker

6. Sleeping Beauty

7. Tchaikovsky's Romeo & Juliet

8. Liebestraume by Franz Liszt

9. Borodin's Polovtsian Dances

10. Blue Danube Waltz

A perfect way to kill off the sport.

 

[Carolla5501]

Removed

 

[Carolla5501]

Should they cut services to members? To fans?

Cut services to fans... it's hard to go below zero!

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

A breakdown..

U.S. Figure Skating's Controversial Music Decision

U.S. Figure Skating has announced a controversial new music policy that requires skaters to confirm proper licensing for the music they use in their skating ...

www.youtube.com

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I’m actually a bit confused by the video I just posted although I know she did a really good job. Towards the end she talks about if you’re streaming music and it happens to be broadcast that needs to be paid for? and then what about in relationship to replays? And then she mentioned something about the music is played during intermission or between skaters? That all has to be in compliance? What if somebody was just playing the radio in the venue?

 

[barbk]

A good list. I’d add Peggy Fleming’s music - Samson & Delilah and Traviata. Or Moiseyev folk dances (Julie Lynn Holmes). Or Beethoven’s Fidelio (Janet Lynn).
Before the internet, I remember mailing LPs or tapes to my favorite skaters! “Try this…” A skater actually tried La Valse and other Debussy tunes that I sent her. And a guy tried Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto that I mailed. Ah, those were the days!

I really, really don't understand your thinking. Just because some music is on a USFSA list doesn't mean that it is usable for anything except competitions and the immediate broadcast of them. Maybe--if we're lucky--Peacock on replays. It doesn't matter whether it is classical music or the modern rap--the restrictions are severe.

 

[Debbie S]

What if somebody was just playing the radio in the venue?

As mentioned upthread, most artists have signed on to a general agreement that covers music played live at events. The music played in the venue at Nats and SA is done by DJ Romeo. Music played between skaters at other qual and non-qual events is handled by the music people (USFS officials) and it's a curated playlist set up in their equipment. It's not the radio.

In terms of replays, that's been the issue the past couple of seasons with Peacock taking skating programs down after 48 hours. NBC is the entity that would pay for the music rights but supposedly their concern was what if a skater's music wasn't licensed (so not covered by the orgs they have agreements with). With the new rules, that should theoretically alleviate concerns but I'm not holding my breath that anything will change. Unfortunately, I think we're less likely to see streaming or replays.

 

[KCC]

I apologize if this was discussed and I missed it, but can I DVR a skating broadcast to view later, and I presume it would include the music? I set my DISH hopper to record all skating broadcasts during the competitive season, just in case I miss something or want to watch it twice. Competitions last longer in my hopper than it plays on Peacock.

 

[Bunny Hop]

I apologize if this was discussed and I missed it, but can I DVR a skating broadcast to view later, and I presume it would include the music? I set my DISH hopper to record all skating broadcasts during the competitive season, just in case I miss something or want to watch it twice. Competitions last longer in my hopper than it plays on Peacock.

Your DVR will have a hard drive, so yes, whatever you record from a broadcast will retain music as it's a recording of exactly what went to air. It can't be accessed externally to mute music or delete anything.

 

[Frau Muller]

I really, really don't understand your thinking. Just because some music is on a USFSA list doesn't mean that it is usable for anything except competitions and the immediate broadcast of them. Maybe--if we're lucky--Peacock on replays. It doesn't matter whether it is classical music or the modern rap--the restrictions are severe.

No they are not. I’ve been a skating fan (freak! Total love!) since the 1960s and I was driven to it by the classical music (and movement to it)!!!! May CLASS return to figure skating! If you don’t like it, turn on your Fun Radio 101. Enjoy the new breakdancing in the Summer Olympics!

 

[Skate Talker]

Your DVR will have a hard drive, so yes, whatever you record from a broadcast will retain music as it's a recording of exactly what went to air. It can't be accessed externally to mute music or delete anything.

FYI This isn't true for everyone anymore. My TV provider has been converting everyone to internet modem and streaming for the past few years. Their newest "tv boxes" do not contain a hard drive and all DVR'd programs are stored on the cloud. (It actually works more like On-Demand programs.)
I just switched over to these tiny 3"x3" boxes. The cloud storage comes with the added benefit of being able to "recover" the programs for a while after I delete them. No idea if the storage is monitored in any way for expired permissions.

 

[KCC]

FYI This isn't true for everyone anymore. My TV provider has been converting everyone to internet modem and streaming for the past few years. Their newest "tv boxes" do not contain a hard drive and all DVR'd programs are stored on the cloud. (It actually works more like On-Demand programs.)
I just switched over to these tiny 3"x3" boxes. The cloud storage comes with the added benefit of being able to "recover" the programs for a while after I delete them. No idea if the storage is monitored in any way for expired permissions.

That's more how I thought it worked. Thanks.

 

[parmazhannagromova]

No they are not. I’ve been a skating fan (freak! Total love!) since the 1960s and I was driven to it by the classical music (and movement to it)!!!! May CLASS return to figure skating! If you don’t like it, turn on your Fun Radio 101. Enjoy the new breakdancing in the Summer Olympics!

I totally agree. The recent music rule changes and the terrible choices are killing my enjoyment of skating. So much wailing and irritation, I literally have to walk away.. venues and broadcasters also do poorly at handling modern/bass-y music. The outcome is often flat and uninspiring.

 

[overedge]

venues and broadcasters also do poorly at handling modern/bass-y music. The outcome is often flat and uninspiring.

Sound systems in many arenas have been cr*p for years, especially in older arenas where the PA was designed for announcing during games, not for playing music. Modern music isn't the problem.

 

[parmazhannagromova]

I generally do not have issue with non-vocal music (i.e. electronic, classical, neo-classical, etc). But most music choices with vocals are distracting and terrible to sit through IMO.

 

[barbk]

I generally do not have issue with non-vocal music (i.e. electronic, classical, neo-classical, etc). But most music choices with vocals are distracting and terrible to sit through IMO.

I'll take music with vocals over screechy violins (or Maria Butyrskaya's awful scratchy version of Otonal) any day.

 

[overedge]

I'll take music with vocals over screechy violins (or Maria Butyrskaya's awful scratchy version of Otonal) any day.

And if any kind of music is going to sound awful through the PA system in a lot of rinks, it's screechy violin music.

 

[parmazhannagromova]

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[Bunny Hop]

The cloud storage comes with the added benefit of being able to "recover" the programs for a while after I delete them. No idea if the storage is monitored in any way for expired permissions.

I'd hazard a guess that deleting programs with expired broadcast/on demand licences will be one of the reasons behind that. Program distribution companies usually have it written into contracts with TV/streamers that content will be deleting on expiry of their licence if they don't intend to renew so content being held on people's personal devices is a potential bone of contention,

 

[barbk]

I'd hazard a guess that deleting programs with expired broadcast/on demand licences will be one of the reasons behind that. Program distribution companies usually have it written into contracts with TV/streamers that content will be deleting on expiry of their licence if they don't intend to renew so content being held on people's personal devices is a potential bone of contention,

And FWIW, Amazon deleted content off of some Kindles when Amazon discovered that it hadn't had the correct rights. In an amazing bit of irony, the deleted book was Orwell's 1984. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/...e_code=1.300.Bdtn.SYLcuUghP7lO&smid=url-share. (gift link)

 

[Debbie S]

I'd hazard a guess that deleting programs with expired broadcast/on demand licences will be one of the reasons behind that. Program distribution companies usually have it written into contracts with TV/streamers that content will be deleting on expiry of their licence if they don't intend to renew so content being held on people's personal devices is a potential bone of contention,

My DVR box does have a hard drive, I think (it's not small like Skate Talker describes) but i believe it does store recordings on the cloud. I checked and I still have skating recordings going back to 2019 (I either deleted or copied the earlier recordings to DVD) so perhaps I should try to copy the current recordings I want to keep before they get deleted (wouldn't put that past Comcast). I guess I know what I'm doing over the holiday weekend.

Back to music....my club president attended the USFS webinar Monday night. Questions had to be submitted in advance and then were answered during the presentation. One was about streaming club comps...USFS said they may purchase a license that covers streaming but essentially said members would have to help cover costs. So I assume if USFS does purchase a streaming license, member dues will go up.

 

[Winnipeg]

I don't mind vocal or non vocal music per se; it is more the individual piece of music.

Skaters should avoid music with the word "FALL" in it.......

 

[BittyBug]

So I assume if USFS does purchase a streaming license, member dues will go up.

I would think that the fairer cost allocation would be to competition fees, not to all members at large.