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I know this is an "unpopular opinion" thread, LOL, but how was Midori "cheated by the Americans at 1990 Worlds ? That makes no logical sense.

Hi Orbitz, I'll answer your post and not the other, since he admits in his own post that "doing these types of intimidations" is not uncommon.

Midori was cheated on compulsory figures judging, everyone who knows anything knows this. The Americans have all the ISU judging power back then, want to sweep the podium, win world championship back, so her compulsory figure score is secretly lowballed so even if she skate 1-1 in short program and free skate she still can't win.

Very funny to see Americans complaining about the Russians and all of their shadiness 30 years later.
 
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Midori Ito was one of the greatest but she only won single world championship, and silver medal because the Americans have the power to put Jill Trenary ahead of her with secret corrupt figures judging, and then the French physically attacking her at Worlds and Olympics next two years.

Midori Ito one of the toughest and most gracious skaters ever. Certainly in a class far above any other lady of that era, although Kristi Yamaguchi was great too.
 
How about I show you statistical analysis of every skaters compulsory figures scores instead. All of their competitions, with Midori Ito 1990 Worlds low outlier. Would you prefer that?
 
Midori was cheated on compulsory figures judging, everyone who knows anything knows this.
Umm... while I loved Midori, she almost FELL DOWN in the middle of her compulsory loop, we've seen footage of it.

While I haven't seen all the other competitors on that figure (have you?), it is very likely she should have been scored last and probably wasn't, because she was the reigning world champ.

Bottom line: no, she was not cheated at 1990 Worlds.
 
How about I show you statistical analysis of every skaters compulsory figures scores instead. All of their competitions, with Midori Ito 1990 Worlds low outlier. Would you prefer that?

No, I would not prefer that. I would prefer you show me a video of all the compulsory figures from every competitor at 1990 Worlds with a report showing your own personal rankings with an explanation showing your expertise in compulsory figures and of why you would rank the skaters the way you would have.

Using "statistical analysis" still doesn't prove her 10th place figures were unfair. In fact, people say Midori messed up incredibly at her compulsory figures. @skateboy above said there's footage of her nearly falling or at least stumbling on the figure and making a major error. And statistics are nice but they don't prove anything about how a skater did at a particular competition if there's no actual information about it other than where they placed...not how they skated or if that placement was deserved.

Anyway, using stats, Midori placed 19th, 14th, 14th, 6th, and then 10th at compulsory figures from 1986 Worlds to 1990 Worlds. Looking at the 1989 and 1990 Worlds CF placements, I don't see anything outrageous, given the reports that Midori made a major error in CF at 1990 Worlds.

Many skaters have that one bad skate at Worlds or the Olympics that are outliers. Midori's Ito's 1991 Worlds 3rd and 4th place finishes in the SP and LP were outliers too and not many people were arguing they weren't deserved.

Furthermore, you're entitled to your opinions, no matter how unpopular, but not your own facts. You said "the scandal" resulted in the elimination of compulsory figures when every skating fan knows they were getting rid of compulsory figures long before 1990 Worlds happened and there was even a fluff piece about it on ABC at the 1988 Olympics. However, you were interested in falsifying a fact to create a scandal out of something. And, if we even accepted your false history, if the Americans had so much power, then why would it become "a scandal" that forced a total elimination of CF? Either the Americans had power to get away with this or they didn't and the world was angry and reacted by eliminating CF? The logic behind your own conspiracy theory doesn't even hold up.

You sound like someone who is just using this to attack the Americans because you perceive Russia as being attacked and I question your motives.
 
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How about I show you statistical analysis of every skaters compulsory figures scores instead. All of their competitions, with Midori Ito 1990 Worlds low outlier. Would you prefer that?
There is footage of Ito really screwing up, though. Do your homework and come back when you know what you are talking about.


Also, moronic statement to suggest Hubert intentionally crashed into Ito.


Ito changed directions inwards towards the barrier and went right into the path of Hubert (whom we don't see, but common sense tells you from this video that Hubert couldn't have planned to know that pattern was coming) :rolleyes: Laetitia, FWIW, left the ice in tears as well.
 
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I'm sure the American, French, Russian, Canadian, Japanese, etc., media all present what happens at a competition in terms of how it affects the home country skaters' medal prospects.

The commentators, and even moreso the producers and editors who know little about skating, will have their own perceptions inflected by their nationalistic bias, sometimes consciously and also often without recognizing their own bias.

And then fans who rely on that coverage to know what happened at all generally take as fact what had already been shaped by the mediation of the media they access the skating through. And then often further interpret what may have been made as neutral statements to support a narrative of their home skaters' deserving to win.

We're all influenced by our own preferences, the preferences of those who created the media that allowed us to watch events, and those media's decisions about what to cover or not cover.

The more we can watch full competitions live or on video without commentary, without fluff pieces, but with matter-of-fact reporting of any facts that may be relevant to why skaters performed as they did and were scored as they were, the closer we can come to an objective truth of what happened. But we'll never have perfect omniscience or neutrality.
 
No, I would not prefer that. I would prefer you show me a video of all the compulsory figures from every competitor at 1990 Worlds with a report showing your own personal rankings with an explanation showing your expertise in compulsory figures and of why you would rank the skaters the way you would have.

I watched statistical analysis on japanese forum some time ago. I didn't see the video.

I did watch the videos of Hubert and Surya Bonaly against Midori. They are still online. Nobody questions that Surya Bonaly did her back flips into Midori to intimidate her at Olympics. The video still online, Hubert sticks her hip out into Midori. I saw another video where she looks at her and lines her up a few seconds ahead of time. This kind of tactic has happened with other skaters before. Good that both of the French had disaster skates, won nothing. They got what they deserved.
 
This is not the first time I read here that Laetitia Hubert intentionnally crashed Midori Ito in 1991. This is amazing to think that... ridiculous ! They both skated backwards, and it was very dangerous for both ! And honestly, what would have been the advantage for Laetitia to get injured after crashing Midori, and to injure Midori ??? Amazing...
 
I don't think that there is such a thing as "olympic" level program or music. I think any music, fitted to the right skater and choreographer should be able to win an olympic gold. I'm waiting for a gold medal winning Baby Shark program.
 
I don't think that there is such a thing as "olympic" level program or music. I think any music, fitted to the right skater and choreographer should be able to win an olympic gold. I'm waiting for a gold medal winning Baby Shark program.
Who should skate to this one?!
 
Unpopular opinion: why do we keep pretending L&A were a great time in terms of skill? Beyond creative (until 2003) but just sloppy AF. B&K were problematic on a good day, but Irina's skating alone should have kept L&A behind them. But Russia #1 and all.... Navka and her prop on skates should have been the top Russian team by 2001. :P
 
Maybe we can replace the vague choreo sequence (where it seems skaters just sort of skate around and maybe do an ina bauer and spread eagle or something and are done) with two of the choreo sequences they have in ice dance (choreo step (including twizzles in there), choreo spin, choreo jump sequence, choreo moves in field), I don't know.

It boggles my mind why some many skaters especially in individual disciplines treat it as a throwaway element.
 
I liked Sarah Hughes’ Salt Lake LP and thought she performed it well. Have never really understood the hate she gets.

I have rewatched it two weeks ago and it is still beautiful! Damn, her lines, artistry were actually exquisite there, and she gave two clean skates. People liked to marvel over Kwan and Cohen spirals but Sarah Hughes spiral sequence was breathtaking as well.

I think the hate comes from a couple of more popular skaters being denied an OGM and due to those heavily underrotated 3-3 combos. But she won OGM, fair and square and deserved it.
 

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