U.S. Men 2025-26 Discussion - Quad God and the Mere Mortals

SENIOR MEN 25-26 SCORES

Still to compete- Camden**, Jason, Lucas

International/Likely or Confirmed Byes to Nationals
Ilia Malinin 306 (Lombardia)**
Andrew Torgashev 239 (Nebelhorn)**
Tomoki Hiwatashi 236 (Kinoshita)
Liam Kapeikis 227 (Nebelhorn)
Maxim Naumov 223 (Lombardia)**
Jacob Sanchez 223 (Nepela)
Jimmy Ma 218 (Kinoshita)**

** = confirmed bye due to top 5 at Nationals in 2025

Lucius Kazanecki E 230 (Cardinal)
Emmanuel Savary E 203 (Philadelphia)

Lorenzo Elano M 220 (Chicagoland)
Taira Shinohara M 210 (Glacier Falls)

Michael Xie P 207 (Glacier Falls)
Samuel Mindra P 198 (Robin Cousins)
Goku Endo P 198 (Kinoshita)
Kai Kovar P 195 (Maplewood)
 
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haribobo said:
SENIOR MEN 25-26 SCORES

Still to compete- Camden**, Jason, Lucas

International/Likely or Confirmed Byes to Nationals
Ilia Malinin 306 (Lombardia)**
Andrew Torgashev 239 (Nebelhorn)**
Tomoki Hiwatashi 236 (Kinoshita)
Liam Kapeikis 227 (Nebelhorn)
Maxim Naumov 223 (Lombardia)**
Jacob Sanchez 223 (Nepela)
Jimmy Ma 218 (Kinoshita)**

** = confirmed bye due to top 5 in 2025

Lucius Kazanecki E 230 (Cardinal)
Emmanuel Savary E 203 (Philadelphia)

Lorenzo Elano M 220 (Chicagoland)
Taira Shinohara M 210 (Glacier Falls)

Michael Xie P 207 (Glacier Falls)
Samuel Mindra P 198 (Robin Cousins)
Goku Endo P 198 (Kinoshita)
Kai Kovar P 195 (Maplewood)
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Jacob was top 5 at Cranberry. Does he have a bye to Nationals?
 
Haha top 5 at Cranberry does not guarantee you anything but 3 internationals I believe still will, and Jacob will have that.
 
YukiNieve said:
After six weeks off the ice due to injury, Beck Strommer will be competing in the LA Autumn Classic, which is part of the NQS. I am so happy for him! :cheer2:
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Oh, I didn't noticed that he hadn't skated all season (or pre-season -- nothing since nats). I hope he's back to near-full strength and can hit his ISP minimums. What is that for Senior, do we know? I know it's 145 for Novice and 165 for Junior, is it 185 for Senior or something higher like 200? I also don't know the rules for falling off of it either. I can't tell if it's some amount of time over a year, or, if it's a full season and they just don't update the published ISP list until the start of the next season. In any event, good luck Beck! 🍀
 
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... I also don't know the rules for falling off of it either. I can't tell if it's some amount of time over a year, or, if it's a full season and they just don't update the published ISP list until the start of the next season. In any event, good luck Beck! 🍀
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Beck Strommer already is in ISP.
The public list is updated multiple times per season, as necessary.
I don't know the rules for falling off, but as far as I have been able to tell, the previous season's results seem to carry over to the current season? (In general -- not just for Beck.)

I'm happy that Beck is healthy again!
LA Autumn Classic has a good field of Senior Men: David Li, Jared Sedlis, Goku Endo, Samuel Mindra, Beck, and more.
 
Well, here we are with the last 3 NQS competitions of the season in the books! Here's who has qualified in Senior Men for Sectionals:

Sr Men
Eastern – New England
1) Jared Sedlis – 170.45 (Bye to Sectionals)
2) Will Annis – 163.24 (missing Nats CTES min – 64.77)

Eastern – North Atlantic
no entries

Eastern – South Atlantic
1) Andrew Torgashev – 234.45 (Bye to Nats)
2) Lucius Kazanecki – 206.31 (Bye to Sectionals) (could earn Bye to Nats if he qualifies for the JGPF next week)
3) Emmanuel Savary – 203.66 (Bye to Sectionals)
4) Ken Mikawa – 154.34

Midwestern – Eastern Great Lakes
1) Nathan Chapple – 160.91 (missing Nats CTES min – 65.97)
2) Max Lake – 157.84 (missing Nats CTES min – 73.54)

Midwestern – Upper Great Lakes
1) Lorenzo Elano – 220.45 (Bye to Sectionals)
2) Taira Shinohara – 210.47 (Bye to Sectionals)
3) Antonio Monaco – 176.15

Midwestern – Southwest
1) Beck Strommer – 202.93
2) Alexander Liu – 196.65
3) Kai Kovar – 195.67 (Bye to Sectionals)

Midwestern Bye to Sectionals
Daniel Martynov

Pacific Coast – Northwest Pacific
1) Samuel Mindra – 213.49
2) Liam Kapeikis – 208.19 (Bye to Sectionals) (could earn Bye to Nats with a 3rd confirmed Int'l assignment)
3) Dmitri Murphy – 142.33 (missing Nats CTES min – 62.85)

Pacific Coast – Central Pacific
1) Michael Xie – 207.37

Pacific Coast – Southwest Pacific
1) Goku Endo – 229.11 (Bye to Sectionals)

Byes to Nationals
Broussard (travel - ??? He withdrew from SCI the week before Pac Coast Sectionals, but the USFS may assign him to a Sr B in Europe that week if he believes he's healthy enough)
Brown
Hiwatashi
Ma
Malinin
Naumov
Pulkinen
Sanchez
Torgashev
 
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And here are the Jr Men qualified for Sectionals -

Jr Men
Eastern – New England
1) Patrick Blackwell – 212.31
2) Zachary LoPinto – 180.27
3) Brendan Man – 143.64
4) Luke Witkowski – 132.67

Eastern – North Atlantic
1) Aleksandr Fegan – 195.28

Eastern – South Atlantic
1) Caleb Farrington – 180.92
2) David Lu – 124.84
3) John Liu – 115.47

Eastern – Next Top 6
1) Jonas Costanza NE – 103.75

Eastern Byes to Sectionals
Henry Gao

Midwestern – Eastern Great Lakes
1) Joshua Snyder – 173.06
2) Colin Motley – 141.07
3) Mikhail Mokhov – 132.91

Midwestern – Upper Great Lakes
1) Evan Neuhaus – 168.42
2) Marlo Rosen – 158.15
3) Mykhailo Ivanchenko – 154.41
4) Thomas Chen – 151.92

Midwestern – Southwest
1) Louis Mallane – 180.72
2) Alek Tankovic – 166.27
3) Nhat-Viet Nguyen – 156.53
4) Isaac Fulton – 146.63

Midwestern – Next Top 6
1) Sam Tomczik UGL – 144.61
2) Anton Yakunin UGL – 132.00
3) Alvin Luu SW – 131.09
4) Connor Williams SW – 128.80
5) Peter Malakov SW – 107.44

Pacific Coast – Northwest Pacific
1) Ryan William Azadpour – 185.64
2) Ethan Kormanyos – 149.21

Pacific Coast – Central Pacific
1) Arsen Meghavoryan – 173.50

Pacific Coast – Southwest Pacific
1) Kirk Haugeto – 184.87
2) Nicholas Brooks – 179.43
3) Ryedin Rudedenman – 176.76
4) Vaclav Vasquez – 175.50

Pacific Coast – Next Top 6
1) Brian Tokuda SWP – 140.89
2) Sergei Evseev SWP – 138.39
3) Yaoshan Jiang SWP – 124.61
4) Chase Cuaron SWP – 105.37
 
Karen-W said:
Byes to Nationals
Broussard (travel - SCI is the same weekend as Pac Coast Sectionals)
Brown
Hiwatashi
Ma
Malinin
Naumov
Pulkinen
Sanchez
Torgashev
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But Broussard withdrew from SCI, didn't he? So I guess he will not be fit to skate at Pacific Coast Sectionals on that weekend either. Does he still get a buye as long as he skates at Finland GP?
 
Kiki5375 said:
But Broussard withdrew from SCI, didn't he? So I guess he will not be fit to skate at Pacific Coast Sectionals on that weekend either. Does he still get a buye as long as he skates at Finland GP?
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Oh, good point. I have no idea what the USFS will do with regard to Lucas and a potential travel bye in that scenario.
 
Kiki5375 said:
As long as he is assigned to an international competition ge gets a bye doesn't he?
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He would have a Bye to Sectionals with 1 international assignment, but a Bye to Nationals requires 3 international assignments or a travel conflict.

Pac Coast Sectionals are scheduled for the week after SCI, so my best guess is that either he shows up to compete at Sectionals or he's assigned to an international competition for either that week or the following week. It's entirely possible, if he's healthier they give him the TBD SkAm host spot.
 
I think I read somewhere that a skater can only be assigned to 2 GPs and if he withdraws he cannot be assingned to a 3rd one. Not sure about host spots though but it would be a little unfair to those who are already competing and hoping for that spot wouldn't it?
But there are still some challengers he can do to get the 3 internationals if he will be healthy soon
 
Kiki5375 said:
As long as he is assigned to an international competition ge gets a bye doesn't he?
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No. Not according to the advancement criteria document. It says they must compete (emphasis theirs):
  • Athletes who are assigned to and compete at three (3) international competitions from the approved list included in subsequent sections of this document.
  • The U.S. Figure Skating High Performance Department and the International Committee will initiate a bye request for athletes who are assigned to and compete at an international assignment within close proximity to the NQS Finals.
Of course, they're free to update the rules with addendums if they don't like the outcomes.
 
Kiki5375 said:
I think I read somewhere that a skater can only be assigned to 2 GPs and if he withdraws he cannot be assingned to a 3rd one. Not sure about host spots though but it would be a little unfair to those who are already competing and hoping for that spot wouldn't it?
But there are still some challengers he can do to get the 3 internationals if he will be healthy soon
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I believe so. I've read the rules for JGP, and GP is likely the same in that if they withdraw late, that uses up their personal allocation. So according to all of the rules and regulations in place, he needs a USFS-funded international competition to get a bye to nats (and there are no medical byes to nats).

If they wanted to bend over backwards for him, they could add some other international event not already on the assignments page of events USFS intends on sending people this year. Then make that a funded event.

Injuries can come at the most inopportune times. Of course USFS has to have rules, otherwise skaters will be faking injuries to advance. However, I think they should lighten the burden on athletes who are at the point of almost exclusively doing international competitions. For example, they could (and maybe should) change the rules to: "Must be assigned to three international competitions from the approved list, and compete in at least two of them".

At the level he's at, Nationals isn't the most important competition, Worlds is. However, Nationals earns USFS squishy points to get yourself assigned to Worlds.
 
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Capt. DeSoto said:
I believe so. I've read the rules for JGP, and GP is likely the same in that if they withdraw late, that uses up their personal allocation. So according to all of the rules and regulations in place, he needs a USFS-funded international competition to get a bye to nats (and there are no medical byes to nats).

If they wanted to bend over backwards for him, they could add some other international event not already on the assignments page of events USFS intends on sending people this year. Then make that a funded event.

Injuries can come at the most inopportune times. Of course USFS has to have rules, otherwise skaters will be faking injuries to advance. However, I think they should lighten the burden on athletes who are at the point of almost exclusively doing international competitions. For example, they could (and maybe should) change the rules to: "Must be assigned to three international competitions from the approved list, and compete in at least two of them".

At the level he's at, Nationals isn't the most important competition, Worlds is. However, Nationals earns USFS squishy points to get yourself assigned to Worlds.
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I think this year nationals is very importand because everyone wants a spot in the Olympic team. But that's gonna be nearly impossible for Broussard I guess. He is competing with Torgashev, Naumov, Brown or Sanchez for a spot who are all healthy and already started their season.
 
Kiki5375 said:
So like Karen said. He better shows up at sectionals to be on the safe side
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If he is able to skate, he would have been better off keeping his SC assignment than competing at sectionals and relying on his score there to hopefully get him through to nationals.

If he didn’t feel he was ready more than a month before for SC, I can’t see how he could be ready for sectionals a week later.

That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised to see USFS grant him a bye even if the reasons don’t exactly fit within the rules like they did with Ziegler last year.
 
Kiki5375 said:
So like Karen said. He better shows up at sectionals to be on the safe side
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Yup. The challenge in showing up at Sectionals is Pac Coast is that's the deepest field with 4 men who've already scored 200+ this season.

With 8 guaranteed Byes & the Top 2 from each section, that leaves 4 At-Large spots and it feels like Lucas should be able to secure one of those with ease, but it's not a certainty if he's not 100% because Kovar & Liu are both just under 200 themselves.
 
Kiki5375 said:
I think this year nationals is very importand because everyone wants a spot in the Olympic team. But that's gonna be nearly impossible for Broussard I guess. He is competing with Torgashev, Naumov, Brown or Sanchez for a spot who are all healthy and already started their season.
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That makes sense, it will be difficult for Broussard to compete with the skaters you mentioned this season. However, he has the advantage of being only 19. He could be a major force and in the mix for the next couple of Olympic cycles.
 
There is little chance of Broussard making the Olympic selection five numerically, and there’s nothing he’s done to give special consideration for inclusion, so either this season is a “Hail Mary” situation or an attempted comeback for the future. Brown and Pulkinen — has a life as a civilian, and this isn’t the Finnish Men’s team — aren’t (likely) going to be in the mix for 2030, Ma is turning 30 this week, and Torgashev, Hiwatashi, and Naumov will be 29-30 in 2030.

The coming seasons would show how Broussard fits into the mix with current skaters and others who might break out of the junior ranks.
 
Karen-W said:
Yup. The challenge in showing up at Sectionals is Pac Coast is that's the deepest field with 4 men who've already scored 200+ this season.

With 8 guaranteed Byes & the Top 2 from each section, that leaves 4 At-Large spots and it feels like Lucas should be able to secure one of those with ease, but it's not a certainty if he's not 100% because Kovar & Liu are both just under 200 themselves.
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I think if he knows so far ahead that he is not fit for the GP he will not be fit for sectionals a week later either.
 
Capt. DeSoto said:
At the level he's at, Nationals isn't the most important competition, Worlds is. However, Nationals earns USFS squishy points to get yourself assigned to Worlds.
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I think that’s kind of a wild thing to say. That’s only true for those who are almost sure to make the world team, or at least highly likely to. So far, Lucas’s only post-nationals assignment in his career has been Junior worlds once. That makes nationals by far the most important event of his season.
 
Can anyone help me decipher this... I'm trying to calculate the leader board for Jr. Worlds, but I've run into what looks like a contradiction between the USFS Championship Event Selection Process and their proposed Excel document linked within.

The question I have came up for discussion on here once before. I had questioned someone else's assessment of the inclusion of NQS in these calculations, but nothing seemed resolved one way or the other. In the USFS document, they use a skater's highest NQS score (regardless of standings). However, in their spreadsheet it states in the column header that the NQS score is used for the top two skaters in their section. It looks to me like a copy/paste artifact in the column for the spreadsheet as that "top 2" thing isn't in the underlying document.

I'm also confused as to whether Jr. Nats counts for anything (either last year's finish position, or this year's upcoming results). USFS (and ISU) in all of their matterial is pretty clear that in the abscense of any novice/junior/senior phrasing, then it is senior that is being described. In the linked document, it makes clear that the NQS score and Sectionals score applies to all three levels (NOV/JR/SR). But when it comes to "U.S. Championship" scores and finishing positions, it makes no such mention of NOV/JR/SR, leading me to believe that Junior Nats has no effect on these calculations. Thus, I don't think Blackwell, Fegan, and Elano get +30, +30, +60 points respectively for Jr. Nats last year.

Also, the NQS points for Kazanecki and Elano count for more than others because of senior points stuff (quads in short, extra element in free). So, I guess that would be an additional benefit for domestic seniors (in addition to any nats bonuses, which wouldn't apply if it's Sr. Nats only).

Below are the top active international juniors. Luckily my open questions don't currently affect anyone's position:

RankSkaterPointsQuestionsOpportunity for Improvement
1Blackwell851-881Does Jr. Nats count?
2Farrington814-859Do all NQS scores count?
3Kazanecki788JGP-UAE and possibly JGPF (which would jump him to #1)
4Brooks755
5Fegan751-781Does Jr. Nats count?
6Elano712-772Does Jr. Nats count?Tayside Trophy

Everyone has the opportunity to improve their Jr. Worlds ranking at Sectionals, provided they finish Gold or Silver in their section. But do they have an opportunity to improve at Jr. Nationals? The USFS document is so vague, and what makes it all the more opaque is that it's completely non-binding, so after they run their numbers they can just go with their gut.

It's an open question as to whether Sanchez is in the running for Jr. Worlds. I've omitted him because he seems to be all-in on international senior. I guess that would be up to USFS -- if they tell him to go and secure those JGP spots for next year, then he goes? We had the same circumstances with Broussard last year, but he wasn't called up in this way either.
 
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