The Dance Hall 9: Bring the Bling or No Beijing 2021-2022

[barbarafan]

So by 2026, based on current standings, we'll have Fear/Gibson, Hawayek/Baker, Green/Parsons, the amazing Russian junior team Kag/Ang, Diana/Gleb, La/La, Georgians, hopefully a new Japanese team, who else looks promising?

Fabbri/Ayer from I.A.M

 

[PRlady]

I don't think I've ever seen Fabbri/Ayer but I love Lopareva/Brissaud. Hope they continue their offbeat approach.

ETA: And the Finns! How old are they?

 

[On My Own]

So by 2026, based on current standings, we'll have Fear/Gibson, Hawayek/Baker, Green/Parsons, the amazing Russian junior team Kag/Ang, Diana/Gleb, La/La, Georgians, hopefully a new Japanese team, who else looks promising?

I thought in terms of skating quality Jeffrey Chen and Ian Somerville both looked very promising, but not their partners unfortunately.

 

[PRlady]

I thought in terms of skating quality Jeffrey Chen and Ian Somerville both looked very promising, but not their partners unfortunately.

The jury is out on whether Somerville will turn out to be the Krasnopolsky of ice dance, I like Wolfkostin/Chen a lot but they are...unpredictable. I like the Browns as well. But with the exception of Kag/Ang I'm not making predictions on Juniors, too many variables.

 

[bcash]

I thought in terms of skating quality Jeffrey Chen and Ian Somerville both looked very promising, but not their partners unfortunately.

I very much hope Somerville's career comes into maturity and lasts, perhaps with a different partner eventually.

 

[On My Own]

I very much hope Somerville's career comes into maturity and lasts, perhaps with a different partner eventually.

Maybe Chen and Somerville can team up

 

[Colonel Green]

I very much hope Somerville's career comes into maturity and lasts, perhaps with a different partner eventually.

Well, based on his track record with partners…

 

[millyskate]

Somerville's former partner Katarina DelCamp has teamed up with British skater Billy Wilson French. It would be cool to have a good second British team. I hope it works out.

In Beijing I enjoyed Lajoie /Lagha the most aside from the obvious teams.

 

[litenkyckling]

Somerville's former partner Katarina DelCamp has teamed up with British skater Billy Wilson French. It would be cool to have a good second British team. I hope it works out.

In Beijing I enjoyed Lajoie /Lagha the most aside from the obvious teams.

After watching Freeze on BBC3 - I'm really excited to see how they develop as a team. With Bekker/Hernandez in the mix too, GB ice dancing is looking really solid just now.

 

[litenkyckling]

I don't think I've ever seen Fabbri/Ayer but I love Lopareva/Brissaud. Hope they continue their offbeat approach.

ETA: And the Finns! How old are they?

Juulia and Matthias are both 27 (turning 28 this year)

 

[PRlady]

Juulia and Matthias are both 27 (turning 28 this year)

Well that's not young but they can certainly go another four years barring injury. I hope they do. I loved them in Beijing.

 

[millyskate]

Well that's not young but they can certainly go another four years barring injury. I hope they do. I loved them in Beijing.

Yes I enjoyed them too.

 

[VGThuy]

Regarding Japan, it was one of those cases where I wish Japan was allowed to tag team where Kana/Dai could have done their RD (best RD of the season) and Team KoKo could have done their beautifully choreographed FD. Honestly, that FD is being slept on because the timing of all their movement is really spectacular to see. It’s definitely an example of choreographing to a team’s strengths and expanding them, which is what you want at the Olympics. Shame they didn’t qualify for the FD in the individual so they could have performed it but at least they did well in the team event and we got to see it there.

 

[barbarafan]

I don't think I've ever seen Fabbri/Ayer but I love Lopareva/Brissaud. Hope they continue their offbeat approach.

ETA: And the Finns! How old are they?

Alicia Fabbri just turned 19 last week but was skating in internationally since she was 13 with previous partner. He aged out of juniors and she and Paul Ayer matched up I think spring 2018. They competed that summer, took silver at nationals 2019 & went to junior worlds where they placed I believe 9th. They moved up to seniors and switched to IAM. Hello pandemic after that. They won this yrs challenge and did well in year b4 challenge. Had an oopsie at nationals this yr but still performed wonderfully. So a newish team with speed, power, chemistry and great performance ability.

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[clairecloutier]

I think the American battle is going to get very interesting. Don't count out Carreira/Ponomarenko either. They've had a rough season, but just two seasons ago, they were the ones pushing H/B for the US No. 3 spot. They're still very young too and can realistically go for both 2026 and 2030. I'm curious what the American situation is going to look like. Will it go back to the Meryl/Charlie with one top team pushing for world titles or continue with several strong teams exchanging US titles and contending for world medals.

I think Hawayek/Baker and Green/Parsons will lead the way, but there will be strong competition from/among the other teams as well. Seeing them all live at U.S. Nationals, I was very impressed with the younger teams. Bratti/Somerville, Wolfkostin/Chen, Cesanek/Yehorov, all quite talented. There is also McNamara/Spiridonov and the Browns.

I wouldn't hold my breath for a Somerville partner change. At Nationals, both Ian and Emily spoke of how well they get along and what a similar approach they take to their work. And their success in less than one year together kind of speaks for itself.

 

[Wyliefan]

I think Hawayek/Baker and Green/Parsons will lead the way, but there will be strong competition from/among the other teams as well. Seeing them all live at U.S. Nationals, I was very impressed with the younger teams. Bratti/Somerville, Wolfkostin/Chen, Cesanek/Yehorov, all quite talented. There is also McNamara/Spiridonov and the Browns.

I like Pate/Bye as well, though I don't know how much room there is for them in this very crowded field! And I too hope that Carreira/Ponomarenko can find their footing again.

 

[Dobre]

Everyone else is older and has had a history of injuries.

My guess is that not all the top teams will get or stay out, but that we will have a higher turnover ratio than we've had for quite a while.

Well that's not young but they can certainly go another four years barring injury. I hope they do. I loved them in Beijing.

Turkkila & Versluis are expected to stay in, I think. Feel like I asked this question before.

Wang & Liu, as well, maybe?


I like the younger Finns also.

Think it is not impossible that D'Alessandro & Waddell could leave juniors with some hardware--they are staying in another season--and try to grab a spot on the Canadian podium if F-B&S get out by the next Olympics. Not easy, but not impossible.


There are also at least a handful of very talented athletes from powerhouse countries, without well-established partners, hovering around the fringes of the sport right now. Some of them could be quite competitive if they or their coaches recruit someone at their level and/or build up a current partnership.

My current feeling on the U.S. dance scene is that everything below, aka younger than, Carreira & Ponomarenko is likely to be a dogfight, just as the last four years have been with everything below Hawayek & Baker. Also keeping my eyes open to the possibility of Nguyen, McNamara, or Kolesnik rocking the boat if they show up with someone at their level. I expect Shpilband to try to make a big push next season so C&P and Green & Parsons had best show up ready.

 

[RoseRed]

My guess is that not all the top teams will get or stay out, but that we will have a higher turnover ratio than we've had for quite a while.



Turkkila & Versluis are expected to stay in, I think. Feel like I asked this question before.

Wang & Liu, as well, maybe?


I like the younger Finns also.

Think it is not impossible that D'Alessandro & Waddell could leave juniors with some hardware--they are staying in another season--and try to grab a spot on the Canadian podium if F-B&S get out by the next Olympics. Not easy, but not impossible.


There are also at least a handful of very talented athletes from powerhouse countries, without well-established partners, hovering around the fringes of the sport right now. Some of them could be quite competitive if they or their coaches recruit someone at their level and/or build up a current partnership.

My current feeling on the U.S. dance scene is that everything below, aka younger than, Carreira & Ponomarenko is likely to be a dogfight, just as the last four years have been with everything below Hawayek & Baker. Also keeping my eyes open to the possibility of Nguyen, McNamara, or Kolesnik rocking the boat if they show up with someone at their level. I expect Shpilband to try to make a big push next season so C&P and Green & Parsons had best show up ready.

I believe I saw a quote from them recently that they plan to stay in, though I don't have the source. But I think it said the goal was another Olympics.

 

[Gris]

Wang & Liu, as well, maybe?

I believe I saw a quote from them recently that they plan to stay in, though I don't have the source. But I think it said the goal was another Olympics.

Yes. See my post #2167 in this thread. They are also supposed to return to Montreal for the next quad.

 

[VGThuy]

It seems the American ice dance scene may be looking good for another eight years at least.

 

[skatfan]

It seems the American ice dance scene may be looking good for another eight years at least.

With Charlie White adding himself in we have good developmemetal coaches in dance. I’m more concerned about our singles coaches with Raf headed into retitement.

 

[VGThuy]

With Charlie White adding himself in we have good developmemetal coaches in dance. I’m more concerned about our singles coaches with Raf headed into retitement.

We probably need some young blood with some mentorship from some of our retiring, aging "great" coaches. A lot the top coaches in the U.S. outside of Raf from the past decade or so don't seem to be on the level of the best coaches we had in the past.

 

[PRlady]

We probably need some young blood with some mentorship from some of our retiring, aging "great" coaches. A lot the top coaches in the U.S. outside of Raf from the past decade or so don't seem to be on the level of the best coaches we had in the past.

I dunno. Carroll, Sappenfield, Callaghan? All with abusive streaks to one degree or another. Tom Z blech. If some younger recently-retired skaters gain skills they could be excellent coaches plus more in tune with training skaters humanely. I'm heartened by Charlie's and Adam's approaches.

 

[Sylvia]

With Charlie White adding himself in we have good developmemetal coaches in dance.

Charlie tweeted this on Feb. 17: https://twitter.com/CharlieaWhite/status/1494520267896414218

I get to go into a rink tomorrow to work with kids. I get to help them learn how to be good people and great skaters; I get to teach them that what you say matters, and that how you feel matters. I get to teach them that they matter.
This is a very good thing to be able to do.
I hope wherever you go tomorrow, in whatever it is that you have to do, you choose to make a difference in the lives of those around you, especially if they’re kids. They’re counting on us.

Looking forward to seeing how his new coaching venture develops!

New Michigan Ice Dance Academy

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[Fadeevfanboy]

I think that by 2026, F/G will be the only team left of the current top ten. Everyone else is older and has had a history of injuries. Almost half of those teams are going to be done at the end of this season (P/C, H/D, S/K, G/P, most likely). And then I see mid-quad retirements for F-B/S, C/B, S/D, and S/B (a lot of the Montreal teams will prolly call it quits after Montreal Worlds). S/B have had a lot of injuries. H/K are older too.

Fear & Gibson for OG in 2026!! I know you aren't outright predicting that, but I love the thought of it.

 

[Wyliefan]

Whom DO we see as OGM in 2026? It's fascinating to speculate when there's no clear heir apparent at the moment.

 

[Taso]

Whom DO we see as OGM in 2026? It's fascinating to speculate when there's no clear heir apparent at the moment.

Hopefully the return of P&C I miss them already and there is still worlds!

 

[PRlady]

Hopefully the return of P&C I miss them already and there is still worlds!

As much as I like P/C, I'm kinda not happy when retired OGMs sit out a few seasons and miraculously re-appear before Oly years. The track record on that is mixed, it worked for V/M but that also cost Canada some young dance teams. Better for the newer teams to at least be able to aspire to the top.

 

[her grace]

The jury is out on whether Somerville will turn out to be the Krasnopolsky of ice dance.

He's had, what 3 partners? He's not in Krasnopolsky's league. ETA: Jeffrey Chen has also had at least 3 partners and it's normal for teams below Sr to split as they grow and develop.

I am cautiously optimistic about Bratti/Somerville because they rocketed up the (domestic) ranks and deserved to, which is quite a statement in a field as deep as American dance. Green/Parsons currently have the momentum. Hope they can add speed to their fine skating.

We should get a better view of Lajoie/Lagha's scoring potential if/when G/P retires and they move into Canada #2's spot.

There's a lot of young Russian teams that could make a statement in the next quad, even after they inevitably break up and re-pair .

The Taschler siblings have also made notable improvement this past season and could continue to rise, at least as far as a non-IAM OES team can.
Lopareva/Brissaud also have a lot of potential and are creative and voidy, which should be fun to watch.

 

[allezfred]

Carroll, Sappenfield, Callaghan?

Wait, what did Frank Carroll do?