Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir # 47: Come What May...

We know from experience that T&S always work to improve their programs throughout the season but why would they want to "fix it"? I think they are happy with their material and IMHO this is way too late to change much. This seems to be the statement they want to make - so - come what may - I hope they make it loud and clear. Not everyone will love it or the dresses or whatever but that's life and we all are entitled to our opinions. I am totally pumped to see them live in Vancouver and hope they blow the roof off.
 
I read on another form that in an interview Tessa said they've been working really hard on their FD and it made me realize that both dances are a work in progress. I trust their coaches and I believe they will continue to perfect their programs and what we will see at the Olympics will be incredible. I can't wait.
 
ok now someone try and say this is not ridiculous. Elena Ilynik said VM program is way more difficult and she didn't understand what happened. The russians on eurosport said the result is fixed. I don't have any other info on commentators but Elena Always dares to say not politically correct stuff. And russian judges are not favouring VM so for russian commentators saying this doesn't make any sense politically. they were great and the difference between the two teams was evident on the ice. Also I'm happy this time around their coach is totally with them.
 
As someone who adores V&M and cannot stand their programs I think they're holding them back. Not their performances, which are phenomenal, and how skilled and amazing they are...but the programs themselves, the music. The judges are going more for P&C's Moonlight Sonata (which is beautiful too). I do think the margin between the two should be much smaller, both teams are phenomenal and have different skills and things they bring to the ice that are amazing, but man. It's disappointing as a V&M fan, and I'm happy for P&C who I also like but not as much as V&M...
 
MS can be beutiful but is way easier. do you win ladies with single axels and double toe? NO. They should revise the judging criteria. When you have one team that is far superior who cares about music choices. I can't believe I have to read this stuff even from VM fans. And btw I love MR.
 
Guys. It's neither the music, nor the programs. V/M have two great programs, they love them and are skating the crap out of them, and are also constantly improving them. Had they skated to a classical piece, the narrative would have been that they were repeating themselves. Had they chosen a lyrical piece, "Oh, they're copying P/C". It's simply that they are not number 1 in the judges' preferences. Whatever they might have skated to. It's as simple and as frustrating as that.
 
Guys. It's neither the music, nor the programs. V/M have two great programs, they love them and are skating the crap out of them, and are also constantly improving them. Had they skated to a classical piece, the narrative would have been that they were repeating themselves. Had they chosen a lyrical piece, "Oh, they're copying P/C". It's simply that they are not number 1 in the judges' preferences. Whatever they might have skated to. It's as simple and as frustrating as that.

Do I always like V/M's music choices? No, and my dislike of their choices through the years was not that infrequent (and that includes Mahler - sacrilegious, right?). But for me, in the end, V/M's skating skills, dance skills, and ability to interpret the music always brought me into their programs and make me forget how much I hate the music. As for MR, am I a fan of the music? No, but I am a fan of how they showcase their ability to perform a range of movements, from staccato to languid, as well as their ability to use every opportunity offered by the music to express their intent, and in the end, transcend the music. So I agree with you that they "are skating the crap" out of the FD (as well as the short).

Would different music choices (ones that appeal more to the judges) made a difference? I'm not so sure. Coming into this season, I had this feeling that V/M had to have 2 outstanding programs and P/C would have to make mistakes like they did last season for V/M to win. You can call me a cynic, but I think it was based on all the years of ice dance I've followed back to before T/D, even with the new judging system. So to keep my sanity, I vowed that I would try my best to focus on enjoying each of V/M's performances. It has not been easy since I'm analytical by nature, and can analyze the scores to death, LOL! At this point, I just want them to have the moments they are striving for when they perform at the Olympics. Anyway, only 2 competitions left to go :-(.

After they retire, I'm not sure if I will be able to get as excited about another ice dance couple as V/M again. With the removal of compulsory dances from competition, I'm not sure we will ever see the outstanding ice dance fundamentals that V/M display ever again.
 
I insist, come back to Carmen :wall:.
judges didn't appreciate Carmen either. Also that program is even more difficult, getting higher GOEs than PC would be impossible. And btw I think they could skate to anything and PC would still win. Guys they got 2 10s in SS are you kidding me?
 
I know Marie-France did not want V/M to skate to Moulin Rouge. Has anyone said at any point what she did have in mind for them? Because while the music choices for the Gadbois teams aren't always adventurous, they do seem to suit the skaters and allow them to shine.

Also, Tessa should burn her SD dress.
 
judges didn't appreciate Carmen either. Also that program is even more difficult, getting higher GOEs than PC would be impossible. And btw I think they could skate to anything and PC would still win. Guys they got 2 10s in SS are you kidding me?

True :(. But people loved it, it would be great that even if they do not win the gold medal, they can retire performing that iconic program. I'm sure that if V/M suddenly announce that they're changing their program to Carmen, all their fans will be fascinated. Just as the fans of Ashley were so happy when she announced that she would skate again Moulin Rouge and immediately that she announced that she would leave MR to skate La la land they were happy saying it was the best choice, that MR already felt old.
 
True :(. But people loved it, it would be great that even if they do not win the gold medal, they can retire performing that iconic program. I'm sure that if V/M suddenly announce that they're changing their program to Carmen, all their fans will be fascinated. Just as the fans of Ashley were so happy when she announced that she would skate again Moulin Rouge and immediately that she announced that she would leave MR to skate La la land they were happy saying it was the best choice, that MR already felt old.

Ashley's MR felt old because it was old.

When W/P first announced they were bringing back Je Suis Malade I thought "good, it is so much better than what they had been trying since leaving Krylova". I enjoyed it at SC but seeing it in France it felt stale suddenly. The only other team I think would benefit from a program change are the Shibs returning to the original Coldplay FD but as I watched their FD today and that thought entered my head I decided by the end of the program that it wouldn't make a difference in the end so just plow on.

btw...Carmen had a different construction to the organic flow that MR has so there is no way that program would compete against MS if the main point people try to use to explain one over the other is flow etc..
 
Ashley's MR felt old because it was old.

When W/P first announced they were bringing back Je Suis Malade I thought "good, it is so much better than what they had been trying since leaving Krylova". I enjoyed it at SC but seeing it in France it felt stale suddenly. The only other team I think would benefit from a program change are the Shibs returning to the original Coldplay FD but as I watched their FD today and that thought entered my head I decided by the end of the program that it wouldn't make a difference in the end so just plow on.

Well, everyone think that Maia and Alex are in the mix with a bunch of teams to get the bronze medal, nothing else. And they are really getting that 3rd place, what benefit could they get? the silver medal?. With V/M people think that they can potentially to get gold medal and they are getting silver medal.
 
ok now someone try and say this is not ridiculous. Elena Ilynik said VM program is way more difficult and she didn't understand what happened. The russians on eurosport said the result is fixed. I don't have any other info on commentators but Elena Always dares to say not politically correct stuff. And russian judges are not favouring VM so for russian commentators saying this doesn't make any sense politically. they were great and the difference between the two teams was evident on the ice. Also I'm happy this time around their coach is totally with them.
It can't be a fix simply because V/M get beat. The two couples just have totally different ways of skating. For me, the difference between the two right now is that V/M are skating well within themselves. Their free dance is something they could have easily skated four or five years ago. P/C are pushing themselves to their limit. V/M are capable of skating much better programs choreographically. Us V/M fans can't keep crying fix every time a couple beats them. I adore both V/M & P/C & can see something in both couples something the other does not have.
V/M may need to make some major changes to their free dance before the Olympics. This is what the Grand Prix Series is for, preparation for the big events.
But please, no more cries of fix. It helps no one. Let's give P/C credit for the truly great time they are & back Tessa & Scott to improve.
 
I do think that a different piece of music would have been better. It’s not that MR is bad or that it’s immature... or that it’s not difficult... or that it’s not memorable. Beethoven’s music combined with Pap/Ciz’s skating which seem like time finally caught up with a perfect piece of art are tough to beat. The other thing that bothers me is, it feels like Tessa and Scott are in the SAME position they were 4 years ago trying to beat someone else as opposed to being the best there is. I do believe that they are the best. I just do. It’s just that they are not the best by a mile. Once upon a time. Not now.
Wow, perfectly put.
 
the difference between the two right now is that V/M are skating well within themselves. Their free dance is something they could have easily skated four or five years ago. P/C are pushing themselves to their limit.
I hope you're kidding. Make PC do the Cist VM are doing in MR or the NtMiSt they have in the SD and then we can talk about this. Make PC skate to any of VM programs...you can prefer PC's style but you can't tell me PC are pushing themselfes while VM are doing dumb choreo.
 
Well looks like silver it is for V&M at the OG again..oh wow this must be awful for them..what a horrible season to have to go through leading up to the OG knowing you are not going to win again, but I feared this would happen when they chose music from MR..never liked the movie & the pieces of music just do NOT scream OG games powerful music to me. They needed to pull something huge out of the bag for this comeback leading up to the OG & MR was not it sadly..they should have listened to their coaches.
Also I just don't get why this music was so important to skate to in an Olympic season, like really? MR really?
I guess they have to go back to the drawing board now & decide what to do because it painfully obvious that if they take this program in Payenchong & BOTH teams skate perfect..they are NOT winning..
 
I hope you're kidding. Make PC do the Cist VM are doing in MR or the NtMiSt they have in the SD and then we can talk about this. Make PC skate to any of VM programs...you can prefer PC's style but you can't tell me PC are pushing themselfes while VM are doing dumb choreo.
I never said dumb, I said V/M are capable of more. P/C push themselves every time they skate this season. V/M free dance is holding them back. What's the point in saying that P/C could not skate to V/M's programs ?. They don't have to. They are not be judged on that. Why so bitter ?. You can love one team without putting the other down, you can also love both teams because you love ice dance.
Just enjoy the fact that we will go into the Olympics with two amazing teams pushing each other every step of the way.
 
I never said dumb, I said V/M are capable of more. P/C push themselves every time they skate this season. V/M free dance is holding them back. What's the point in saying that P/C could not skate to V/M's programs ?. They don't have to. They are not be judged on that. Why so bitter ?. You can love one team without putting the other down, you can also love both teams because you love ice dance.
Just enjoy the fact that we will go into the Olympics with two amazing teams pushing each other every step of the way.
I skated for 13 years I do love this sport. The point is PC are doing easier programs, I'm not putting them down. That's the truth. You don't see the point in saying PC couldn't skate VM programs? the point is they are not even in skating skills. It's not about not being able to reproduce the style, it's about not being able to do the same intricate footwork and the same lifts. How can I enjoy the fact that a couple of less capable skater are edging the best ice dancers of the field?
 
I hope you're kidding. Make PC do the Cist VM are doing in MR or the NtMiSt they have in the SD and then we can talk about this. Make PC skate to any of VM programs...you can prefer PC's style but you can't tell me PC are pushing themselfes while VM are doing dumb choreo.

I skated for 13 years I do love this sport. The point is PC are doing easier programs, I'm not putting them down. That's the truth. You don't see the point in saying PC couldn't skate VM programs? the point is they are not even in skating skills. It's not about not being able to reproduce the style, it's about not being able to do the same intricate footwork and the same lifts. How can I enjoy the fact that a couple of less capable skater are edging the best ice dancers of the field?
I just don't agree with you. To say that P/C are lesser skaters is to deny that there are different types of ice dance. Listen, I did not think for one second four years ago that D/W were better than Tessa & Scott but I never said that were lesser skaters just different. If you can't enjoy this sport unless your favourite team are winning then I feel very sorry for you because you are missing out on some wonderful skating.
 

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