Skate America 2024 Pairs FS - Texas 2T

[victorskid]

Ashley Cain did the Kiss 'n Cry interview - we saw it on the ISU YouTube feed
Now seeing highlights from the top 3
Now the Victory Ceremony is about to begin.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I get the Ted always says peoples names wrong but I swear he's worse this year.

It's muscle memory from mispronouncing their names for 10+ years announcing JGP.

Kihara has a lovely voice.

Besides getting GP points, the podium got a very nice paycheck today:

Gold -- US$ 25,000.00 (even more in CAD)
Silver -- US$ 18,000.00
Bronze -- US$ 12,000.00

 

[Jarrett]

When was the last time two U.S. pairs were on a podium anywhere but U.S. nationals?

 

[Karen-W]

When was the last time two U.S. pairs were on a podium anywhere but U.S. nationals?

4CCs 2022 - https://results.isu.org/events/fc2022_Pairs.htm

Gold - LuMit; Silver - ChanHowe

 

[Jarrett]

4CCs 2022 - https://results.isu.org/events/fc2022_Pairs.htm

Gold - LuMit; Silver - ChanHowe

Oh haha COVID I guess we can't count the COVID SA too lol

 

[peibeck]

When was the last time two U.S. pairs were on a podium anywhere but U.S. nationals?

Maybe 2022 4CC?

ETA: I should have known @Karen-W and her stalkerdom of Spencer Howe would remember.

 

[Jarrett]

ISU rep really chatting it up with the skaters lol

 

[peibeck]

Another 45 minutes 'til the men. Enough time to marry off another ice dance couple.

 

[Karen-W]

Oh haha COVID I guess we can't count the COVID SA too lol

Nope - that was a fully competed 4CCs - albeit, none of the top teams showed up because it was the Olympic season, so it was just USA & CAN, lol. They wouldn't have competed at 4CCs regardless of Covid but because none of them were going to compete at 4CCs so close to the Olympics.

 

[Private Citizen]

Another 45 minutes 'til the men. Enough time to marry off another ice dance couple.

OMG . I shouldn't laugh, but...

 

[Jarrett]

Nope - that was a fully competed 4CCs - albeit, none of the top teams showed up because it was the Olympic season, so it was just USA & CAN, lol. They wouldn't have competed at 4CCs regardless of Covid but because none of them were going to compete at 4CCs so close to the Olympics.

I dunno with no CHN team at all even a C-level team I wouldn't consider that a fully competed 4CC. There is usually a spread of 3/4 countries even if it the olympic year. I know they were allowed probably allowed to compete and they weren't boycotting but still I have a hard time considering that a fully competed 4CC with just USA and CAN there with 3 teams each. That is just loading the deck IMO lol

 

[skatfan]

Nope - that was a fully competed 4CCs - albeit, none of the top teams showed up because it was the Olympic season, so it was just USA & CAN, lol. They wouldn't have competed at 4CCs regardless of Covid but because none of them were going to compete at 4CCs so close to the Olympics.

It was also the only 4CC to be held in Europe (Tallinn, Estonia)

 

[Karen-W]

I dunno with no CHN team at all even a C-level team I wouldn't consider that a fully competed 4CC. There is usually a spread of 3/4 countries even if it the olympic year. I know they were allowed probably allowed to compete and they weren't boycotting but still I have a hard time considering that a fully competed 4CC with just USA and CAN there with 3 teams each. That is just loading the deck IMO lol

China didn't have any other senior pairs teams by that season except Sui/Han and Peng/Wang, IIRC. Covid really did a number on their skating program and they weren't sending anyone anywhere overseas.

 

[Sylvia]

Pairs presser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb9fGQqGGoo

 

[Karen-W]

Pairs presser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb9fGQqGGoo

You know, the backdrop for the Press Conferences' is sooooo much better than what they're using for the KnC!

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Not feeling well and working a little bit..l now I’m going to try to finish off the pairs. I’m watching the Hungarian team now….

I had to Google to see who created the death spiral, because I think that person must be rolling in their grave to know what they have evolved into…



skater Charlotte Oelschlägel

It was created by German professional skater Charlotte Oelschlägel and her husband Curt Neumann in the 1920s. Suzanne Morrow and Wallace Diestelmeyer from Canada were the first pair team to perform the death spiral one-handed (the man holding the woman in position with one hand), at the 1948 Olympic Games.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Oh dear. @Rukia I think @AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) has taken over your account.

I’m trying to catch up on so much, including this thread, I had to work a little bit today while I am not feeling well. I’ll catch up on this thread as soon as I finish watching the second group. But I think the men are about to start soon.

 

[Jarrett]

You know, the backdrop for the Press Conferences' is sooooo much better than what they're using for the KnC!

I'm still confused why the logo is a 6 pointed star for an event in texas I guess a sheriff badge?

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Oh dear with the mistakes the Georgian team is making is my future husband going to take the bronze? Trying to catch up as fast as I can.

 

[Karen-W]

I'm still confused why the logo is a 6 pointed star for an event in texas...

it looks like a classic sheriff's star to me...

sheriff star - Google Search

 

[Jarrett]

it looks like a classic sheriff's star to me...

sheriff star - Google Search

And there are sheriffs all over the country not just in Texas. I guess it is a USA event not Texas. Still seems like an odd choice as someone from Texas.

 

[Karen-W]

And there a sheriffs all over the country not just in Texas.

I mean, sure. But sheriff stars are used in western decor, so it seems to me that's the vibe they were aiming for. Personally, I think it's a really hokey, bad graphic design in general, but I get what the inspiration was even if it was poorly executed.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Ellie dress is magical, I love it. Oh my gosh, I hope two American teams can be in the podium.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Would Ellie and Danny just be better off going for throw double axles?

 

[Wyliefan]

@AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) and @PRlady and whoever else is sick, hope you feel better soon!

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

@AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) and @PRlady and whoever else is sick, hope you feel better soon!

Thank you so much. This is completely knocked me off my feet. Can’t sleep and it’s so hard to even work.

Hope you feel better soon as well @PRlady

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

You know the landscape has changed in pairs when the podium at a Grand Prix event is Japan – USA – USA, and I am here for it!

 

[MacMadame]

I'm still confused why the logo is a 6 pointed star for an event in texas I guess a sheriff badge?

Texas is known as the Lone Star State.

ETA There were two USA pairs on the podium at last year's Skate America also.

1st place: Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier (USA)
3rd place: Emily Chan and Spencer Howe (USA)

 

[kwanfan1818]

I was curious and looked at Skate America with international fields, starting in 1979, which, according to @SkateGuard 's blog was the Norton Skate, and with a missing 1984, there was never a US podium sweep, but there were podiums wit two US Teams:

• The last before the 2020's was 18 seasons ago: 2006 (Hartford): Inoue/Baldwin (1) and Nam/Lefteris (2)

Champions Series:

• 1996 (Springfield, MA): Lyon/Wells (2) and Stiegler/Zimmerman (3)

Pre-Champions Series. I'm not sure how the skaters were invited/selected.

• 1993 (Dallas): Ina/Dungjen (2), Courtland/Reynolds (3)
• 1985 (St. Paul): Watson/Oppegard (1) and Wachsman/Wagoner (3)
• 1983 (Rochester): Carruthers/Carruthers (1) and Watson/Lancon (2)
• 1979 (Lake Placid): Carruthers/Carruthers (2) and Heasley/Wagenhoffer (3)

For the other GP's, it's never happened during the Grand Prix, but that could also be a factor of the number, if any, US Pairs who were selected. It happened once during the Champions Series, in 1996 at NHK (gold-Meno/Sand, bronze-Ina/Zimmerman) and a few times when NHK was a stand-alone.

At Worlds, it happened once, in 1949: Kennedy/Kennedy (2) and Davies/Hoffner (3)

Yeah, 4CC's, maybe:

• 2022: Lu/Mitrofanov (1) and Chan/Howe (2)
• 2018: Kayne/O'Shea (1) and Cain/LeDuc (2)
• 2014: Kayne/O'Shea (2) and Scimeca/Knierim (3)
• 2012: Denney/Coughlin (2) and Marley/Brubaker (3)
• 2000: Ina/Zimmerman (2) and Scott/Dulebohn (3)

Except for 2012, a home 4C's in Colorado Springs, there's a distinct pattern (coughOlympicYearcough) here. Sui/Han, who won, competed in 2012 and 2014. Pang/Tong, the highest ranked Chinese team at 2000 4C's, were on their way up. In 2012, it was Duhamel/Radford's second season. While there were a few standouts in competition, it was mostly against other countries' B-teams as well. The US tends to be solid in that second echelon, but a too high percentage of our teams fall into it.

 

[MacMadame]

What about 1998 SkAm?

• 2nd place: Jenni Meno and Todd Sand (USA)
• 3rd place: Kyoko Ina and Jason Dungjen (USA)

IIRC