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This was the best fan cam video I could find of Valieva at the team event today. She was truly spectacular and landed the best triple axel I have ever seen from her even among practice videos. I hope her team reconsiders and keeps this SP for the Olympics too. There have been so few international events this year, actually none for juniors, that I don't think the judges would have any fatigue with either of her programs.
I agree keeping SP is more important than the free skate. KV can get a big lead on everybody at the Olympics with her 3A in the SP. and I e herself breathing room for the free.

I also agree with you that there have been so few events this year it would be best to perfect her programs for next season. Same goes for many other skaters.
 
Evgenia Medvedeva announced today that after this Team Event she will take a leave of absence from skating to work on her health. The duration of the leave is uncertain at present.
This could be a but I hope she gets a couple smaller events next season and maybe a GP
Such a tough few months for ingenio with the back and then the lung problems then the coved 19. Man.
 
Not everyone was going to start doing it.
I guess I could have been more specific. All the capable Russian ladies were going to do it, which at the time meant everyone from team Tutberidze. Her students on the junior level in 2018 were also skating heavily back-loaded programs. And plenty of non-capable ladies were going to try to do it as well, which meant we would have seen a lot of hot mess meltdowns like Zagitova's that one time, because as you said it's not a piece of cake. Either way, as far as Russia is concerned, the backloading would have been largely supplanted by the quads at this point in time anyways.
 
As much as Russia's wonder tots can be congratulated for their sterling technical merit, they make me miss the super model era most of all.

They're just not very relatable.
 
Kamila was en fuego again today. I thought the idea of Bolero for a 14 year old was awful, but she has really made this program her own. It is a very strong program, and I sense a Medvedeva/Zagitova showdown of styles determining Olympic gold between Valieva and Shcherbakova, who is more lyrical and soft. May they all remain in good health until then!
 
So...Anna, Sasha and Liza to Stockholm Worlds? Which other lady in Russia would be age eligible and “Worlds podium-ready”...and presently healthy?
 
So...Anna, Sasha and Liza to Stockholm Worlds? Which other lady in Russia would be age eligible and “Worlds podium-ready”...and presently healthy?
Looks like it....... unless..... Kostornaya "pulls a rabbit out of a hat" at the Russian Cup Finals. Even more of a miracle would be Anna Frolova skating her heart out and getting the 3rd spot. we'll see.....
 
Alina Zagitova is booked/contracted to participate, as a skater, in the next "Ice Age" show.

She already had "pairs" experience, skating in Navka's "Sleeping Beauty". Her comments were "the lifts were hard" to learn/to execute. Now she is facing this challenge for the duration of the show.
 
This is exciting news! Have they announced any of the other skaters yet?
No they have not. Zagitova is the first one, she said it at the Team Event press conference.

However! This is what i remember. Several months ago, Liza Tuktamysheva and/or Avebuch were talking about "Ice Age for single skaters to skate with retired Pairs/Dance skaters". This is yet again a different format from the standard one (which is Pairs/Dance skaters with celebrities). If it is going to be a new format, then we can expect to see a much greater level of difficulty in the programmes (than in skater/celebrity combo).

Here is Tuktamysheva's comment, she said if invited she would gladly join the "Ice Age" event.

If it is this type of new format, they will need to find at least 10-12 single skaters, perhaps both men and women.
I can see Averbuch inviting (besides Zagitova): Tuktamysheva, Sotnikova, Radionova, maybe Lipnitskaya (if she has time from baby & coaching), maybe Medvedeva (if she is well), Sotskova (if she has time away from Uni), Kovtun, Voronov, Leonova (she is in St. Petersburg though), Lazukin (St, Pete), Sakhanovich, and maybe few more that skipped my mind.
 
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No they have not. Zagitova is the first one, she said it at the Team Event press conference.

However! This is what i remember. Several months ago, Liza Tuktamysheva and/or Avebuch were talking about "Ice Age for single skaters to skate with retired Pairs/Dance skaters". This is yet again a different format from the standard one (which is Pairs/Dance skaters with celebrities). If it is going to be a new format, then we can expect to see a much greater level of difficulty in the programmes (than in skater/celebrity combo).

Here is Tuktamysheva's comment, she said if invited she would gladly join the "Ice Age" event.

If it is this type of new format, they will need to find at least 10-12 single skaters, perhaps both men and women.
I can see Averbuch inviting (besides Zagitova): Tuktamysheva, Sotnikova, Radionova, maybe Lipnitskaya (if she has time from baby & coaching), maybe Medvedeva (if she is well), Sotskova (if she has time away from Uni), Kovtun, Voronov, Leonova (she is in St. Petersburg though), Lazukin (St, Pete), Sakhanovich, and maybe few more that skipped my mind.

Ohhh, I like this idea much more than the regular celebrity one. Maybe they could do a combination - one week rhythmic dances with an ice dancer, next week pairs skating with jumps. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if it were just ladies' singles with retired male pros. There are many more older/recently retired ladies than men and it's easier for women to learn pairs elements with an experienced man (Olga Kuzmina was so good and she's not even a skater!). I would add Pogorilaya and maybe Gubanova and Tsurskaya to your list.
 
Ohhh, I like this idea much more than the regular celebrity one. Maybe they could do a combination - one week rhythmic dances with an ice dancer, next week pairs skating with jumps. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if it were just ladies' singles with retired male pros. There are many more older/recently retired ladies than men and it's easier for women to learn pairs elements with an experienced man (Olga Kuzmina was so good and she's not even a skater!). I would add Pogorilaya and maybe Gubanova and Tsurskaya to your list.
Tsurskaya is teaching full blast at Eteri Tutberidze's group, and already has her own skaters who need daily training.
Pogorilaya has not been near the ice for a long time, she is a happily married woman, and has not made a sound in the skating world.
Gubanova? maybe..... yet she has not yet announced retirement, or taking a leave of absence.
 
Just curious -
Will any of the top young ladies from 2021 Junior Russian Nationals be age-eligible for 2022 Olympics? Just because it was the “Junior” Nationals doesn’t mean that some may be the ancient age of 14 or 15 now.
 
Just curious -
Will any of the top young ladies from 2021 Junior Russian Nationals be age-eligible for 2022 Olympics? Just because it was the “Junior” Nationals doesn’t mean that some may be the ancient age of 14 or 15 now.
At this point, no. The only "big" names that missed qualifying as seniors for 2022 are Samodelkina and Petrosyan. There is a considerable lack of depth in this age group, but the year after that the new seniors will include Akatieva, Zhilina, and probably someone/s who will make a drastic improvement in the next two years.
 
At this point, no. The only "big" names that missed qualifying as seniors for 2022 are Samodelkina and Petrosyan. There is a considerable lack of depth in this age group, but the year after that the new seniors will include Akatieva, Zhilina, and probably someone/s who will make a drastic improvement in the next two years.

Thanks. It’s almost as if one has to plan a female child’s conception so that she will be “late-15” (not quite 16) during a Winter Olympic quadrennial! Valieva and (especially) Usacheva were blessed - born in the “sweet spot.”

If Zhilina is 12 now...then she’d be 17 at the 2026 Olys. Too old, most likely. The likely Olympic champ of 2026 is now 10.5...to be 15.5 in 2026.

P.s. I’m betting that sports officials are now scouting the eleven time zones of Russia to identify 10.5-yr-old skating prodigies with the right genes (reed-slender mothers, aunts & grandmas).
 
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At this point, no. The only "big" names that missed qualifying as seniors for 2022 are Samodelkina and Petrosyan. There is a considerable lack of depth in this age group, but the year after that the new seniors will include Akatieva, Zhilina, and probably someone/s who will make a drastic improvement in the next two years.
There are plenty of Seniors in the top category for Season 2022: Shcherbakova, Valieva, Usacheva, Trusova, Khromykh, Sinitsina, and possibly some of Davydov's/CSKA ladies.
As well, there are plenty in Juniors, in the top category for Season 2022: Akatieva, Petrosyan, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya, Muravieva, and few more from Davydov's/CSKA ladies.

So, i am not sure what you mean by lack of depth in this "age group"..... may be i misunderstood what you mean...
 
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I think he meant the "born in X" year age group. So all the people who will turn senior in a specific year.
I see.... :-). Yes, Adelia and Sofia were born in summer 2007, and by 2026 Olympics, they will be 18. But we don't know all the young ladies training in Davydov's and Tutberidze's camps with birth-dates 2009/10.... ;)
 
At this point, no. The only "big" names that missed qualifying as seniors for 2022 are Samodelkina and Petrosyan. There is a considerable lack of depth in this age group, but the year after that the new seniors will include Akatieva, Zhilina, and probably someone/s who will make a drastic improvement in the next two years.
Lack of depth? In the year group there is Samodelkina, Petrosian, Muravieva and Osokina. How can you say that they lack depth? (Just to explain, I count years based on ISU eligibility, not on calendar year. This group I just named will become senior eligible after the Olympic season.)

You seem to think that the following year would be stronger, but all I can see there is Akatieva, Zhilina and Berestovskaya. While Akatieva is a very strong girl, Zhilina and Berestovskaya still have quite a lot of work to do if they want to make themselves competitive. Zhilina has some of the hard jumps but as her last competition has shown, she may have to work on the competitive nerves. Berestovskaya doesn’t stand out yet (I would say she is the weakest from those two groups of skaters I named.)
 
Lack of depth? In the year group there is Samodelkina, Petrosian, Muravieva and Osokina. How can you say that they lack depth? (Just to explain, I count years based on ISU eligibility, not on calendar year. This group I just named will become senior eligible after the Olympic season.)
What I meant was that two years ago there was the 3A, the next year was VUK, but this year like you said are those 4 skaters. The only one I consider champion-capable is Samodelkina. I was discussing this somewhere, maybe another board, that if the Olympics were to be delayed to 2023, are there any in this new crop who would challenge for the Olympics. I don't really consider Petrosyan, Muravieva or Osokina ever a legitimate threat to make the team. When I say there is a lack of depth, I know that I AM talking about Russian ladies, so the depth there is amazing, but I don't see any shining stars from that year except for Samodelkina.
 
I wouldn't dismiss Petrosyan like that! Also, remember that at one point I think both Zagitova and Kostornaya (and maybe even Shcherbakova?) were not considered to have that much potential right?
 
Thanks. It’s almost as if one has to plan a female child’s conception so that she will be “late-15” (not quite 16) during a Winter Olympic quadrennial! Valieva and (especially) Usacheva were blessed - born in the “sweet spot.”

If Zhilina is 12 now...then she’d be 17 at the 2026 Olys. Too old, most likely. The likely Olympic champ of 2026 is now 10.5...to be 15.5 in 2026.

P.s. I’m betting that sports officials are now scouting the eleven time zones of Russia to identify 10.5-yr-old skating prodigies with the right genes (reed-slender mothers, aunts & grandmas).

I watched Jr Nationals live with Ted commmentary and he said there was no available information on the competitors' ages. I don't know if that's true officially or if it just meant thast HE did not have the information. But if true, I find that... interesting.
 
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I watched Jr Nationals live with Ted commmentary and he said there was no available information on the competitors' ages. I don't know if that's true officially or if it just meant thast HE did not have the information. But if true, I find that... interesting.
Yet, birthdays are definitely available over the Internet. It’s no secret. I easily looked up birthdays of top ladies at Jr Nationals, just to see if any would be 15.5 by next year’s Olys (none of the tops....Anna Frolova old enough now for Worlds).

Russia knew what it was doing by pushing their top 14-yr-old Jrs to the Sr level this season, to prepare them for the Olympics season (Valieva, Usacheva, Khromik), even if unable to qualify for Worlds this year. I’m sure that we’ll see this same practice in the run-up to the 2026 Olympics...unless (heaven forbid!) the 2022 Olympics are postponed and the age-specific plan is unraveled...then the ladies born in “wrong years” are suddenly lucky.
 
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