No-Longer-Prince Andrew

[MacMadame]

He doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong.

Exactly. There is no point wondering why he's not behaving like a guilty person with a disgusting interest in young girls because that's not how he sees himself.

 

[overedge]

Unfortunately there are a lot of people like that. Amber Turd comes to mind.

Please, let's not drag that dispute in here, and not use childish names for the participants.

 

[antmanb]

OK magazine are reporting that after William and Charles lobbied the Queen, Andrew will not appear at the Order of the Garter ceremony today (though he will be at the lunch). The entitled prick wants his titles back too https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/prince-andrew-queen-royal-status-27215617

 

[PRlady]

OK magazine are reporting that after William and Charles lobbied the Queen, Andrew will not appear at the Order of the Garter ceremony today (though he will be at the lunch). The entitled prick wants his titles back too https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/prince-andrew-queen-royal-status-27215617

We can’t read it here.

 

[antmanb]

We can’t read it here.

This seems like a similar (less sneery) article, can you read this one? https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...n-to-give-him-his-titles-back-reports-326084/

 

[MLIS]

“Reports say” William told the Queen that if Andrew attended the public aspects (procession and service in St. George’s Chapel) then he, and Kate, would not be there.

 

[overedge]

If that's true, then good for William.

 

[Winnipeg]

PA should willingly offer to step aside from all royal duties. He can still see his family out of the public eye while not drawing bad attention and being a "downer" on celebrations. What does he bring to any public occasion that would be positive??

 

[skategal]

The best part of Charles becoming King is going to be watching him skewer Andrew.

Sounds like William is on board too.

 

[JJH]

According to this article Andrew did attend the private investiture inside the castle, but not the public processional.

Prince Andrew Misses Order of the Garter Procession After 'Family Decision' Is Made

Prince Andrew was notably missing from one of the oldest royal traditions on Monday: Order of the Garter.

people.com

 

[overedge]

PA should willingly offer to step aside from all royal duties. He can still see his family out of the public eye while not drawing bad attention and being a "downer" on celebrations. What does he bring to any public occasion that would be positive??

As long as he is part of the royal family, which is forever, I don't think he's going to see anything wrong with him being part of royal events. His ego, plus his belief that he didn't do anything wrong, is bigger than his common sense.

 

[Vagabond]

? Doesn't Prince Andrew have anything better to do, like staying home and playing with his stuffed animals?

 

[overedge]

? Doesn't Prince Andrew have anything better to do, like staying home and playing with his stuffed animals?

He probably thinks he's an asset especially at hot summertime events, because he doesn't sweat....

 

[attyfan]

Apparently, Andrew and Sarah (who still live in the same place, despite the divorce) will be looking after at least two real animals .... the corgis:

Queen's corgis to live with the Duke and Duchess of York | CNN

Queen Elizabeth II's corgis will live with the Duke and Duchess of York, Andrew and Sarah, a source close to the Duke of York told CNN on Sunday.

www.cnn.com

Apparently, Sarah is fond of them and helped walk them

 

[Vagabond]

Prince Andrew gives up royal titles including Duke of York after ‘discussion with king’

In statement released by Buckingham Palace, Andrew says he will give up titles and honours

www.theguardian.com

Prince Andrew has agreed to give up his use of the Duke of York title, he said in a statement released through Buckingham Palace.

He will also give up his membership of the Order of the Garter, meaning his only remaining title will be that of prince, which cannot be removed as he was born the son of a queen.

I have often thought that he should retire from public life and live in seclusion on the Balmoral Estate. His ex-wife could do the same.

 

[kwanfan1818]

"I have given up using the title in my emails and letters to BFF's like Epstein, but I wouldn't be disappointed if all of my friends and family continued to use it when referring to me."

 

[puglover]

The two remaining big ones are both Prince Andrew and Prince Harry are currently "Counsellors of State" which qualifies them to step in for the king should the situation necessitate it. I believe King Charles added to the list within the last few years by including his sister Anne and brother Edward but some definitely feel he should make the move to remove his other brother and son. Also, Andrew and Sarah still live in Royal Lodge which is a huge home but Andrew has a very long lease on it and there is no real way to dislodge him unless he fails to pay for the upkeep. Apparently, they have reduced his available funds to try to shake him loose that way. He has already declined Frogmore Cottage so they are thinking of trying to move them to Adelaide Cottage as Prince William and Princess Catherine are vacating it. He is the son of a monarch and will always be Prince Andrew. I do feel terrible for Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie who should be enjoying life with their young families.

 

[Karen-W]

The two remaining big ones are both Prince Andrew and Prince Harry are currently "Counsellors of State" which qualifies them to step in for the king should the situation necessitate it. I believe King Charles added to the list within the last few years by including his sister Anne and brother Edward but some definitely feel he should make the move to remove his other brother and son. Also, Andrew and Sarah still live in Royal Lodge which is a huge home but Andrew has a very long lease on it and there is no real way to dislodge him unless he fails to pay for the upkeep. Apparently, they have reduced his available funds to try to shake him loose that way. He has already declined Frogmore Cottage so they are thinking of trying to move them to Adelaide Cottage as Prince William and Princess Catherine are vacating it. He is the son of a monarch and will always be Prince Andrew. I do feel terrible for Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie who should be enjoying life with their young families.

I think the Counsellors of State issue would require an Act of Parliament, but I'm not positive.

Andrew will stay at Royal Lodge as long as he is able to scrape up the finds from various sources, but I expect that William will find some way to break that 99-year lease Andrew has on it when he becomes King. Andrew is certainly stubborn and has many friends who are happy to help him out for now.

 

[Vagabond]

Andrew and Sarah still live in Royal Lodge which is a huge home but Andrew has a very long lease on it and there is no real way to dislodge him unless he fails to pay for the upkeep.

It's time for Operation Dislodge.

 

[puglover]

Some royal watchers think the Counsellor of State is a big deal but I have also read that it would never go to a non-working royal and if Prince William was unavailable then that would mean Princess Anne or Prince Edward.

 

[Karen-W]

Some royal watchers think the Counsellor of State is a big deal but I have also read that it would never go to a non-working royal and if Prince William was unavailable then that would mean Princess Anne or Prince Edward.

Yes, I think that's true - if William is unavailable then Anne or Edward will be called upon to fulfill the duties of CoS, otherwise what was the point of adding them in the first place?

 

[kwanfan1818]

Who makes the call? Is it Parliament?

 

[Karen-W]

Who makes the call? Is it Parliament?

Changing how the Counsellors of State are determined would require a new Regency Act, I believe - so, yes, Parliament would have to get involved. When Anne & Edward were added in 2022, it also required an Act of Parliament as they weren't among the first 4 in the Line of Succession who were at least 21 (except the heir apparent/presumptive, who must be at least 18) & domiciled in the UK - currently the first 4 in the LoS who meet the requirements are William, Harry, Andrew & Beatrice. Harry is considered domiciled in the UK still, despite living in California year-round (don't ask me why/how he's still considered domiciled in the UK, I'm not sure). Camilla, as Charles' wife, is also a Counselor of State (as was Prince Philip when he was living).

I don't know what will happen if Charles passes away before George turns 18 - I expect there will be a new Regency Act passed that will permanently remove Harry & Andrew as Counsellors of State because they are not working on behalf of or serving as representatives of the Royal Family. If it comes to that then we're looking at a situation where Catherine (as William's spouse), Edward, Anne, the Duke of Gloucester and the Duke of Kent are the only people eligible to serve as Counselors of State until the Wales children are old enough - and the Duke of Kent probably won't be doing royal duties much longer as he's really getting up there in the years, unless Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise or James become working royals.

 

[taf2002]

I don't believe Andrew is paying for all or any of the upkeep on Royal Lodge. Charles tried to boot him out of there a couple of times but in the past he has always caved & paid. He should be dragged out of there kicking & screaming if that's what it takes.

I read an article this morning that Beatrice & Eugenie will not be affected by any of this.

I think Counselors of State will prove to be a non-issue whether or not they remove either Andrew or Harry or both from the list. I can't imagine a scenario where it came down to either of them.

 

[canbelto]

Andrew was born into a life of priviledge but has been making decades of bad decisions.

 

[Vagabond]

Prince Andrew has not paid rent on Royal Lodge for two decades

King’s brother charged ‘one peppercorn’ per year for the grace-and-favour mansion on Windsor Estate since 2003 after £8.5 million upfront costs

www.thetimes.com

Prince Andrew has not paid rent on his grace-and-favour mansion on the Windsor Estate for two decades, The Times can reveal.

The Times obtained a copy of the leasehold agreement for Royal Lodge, revealing the terms under which the prince lives on the 30-room estate.

It states that, while the prince paid £1 million for the lease plus at least £7.5 million for refurbishments completed in 2005, he has paid “one peppercorn (if demanded)” in rent per year, since 2003.

MPs lodge parliamentary motion to strip Prince Andrew of dukedom

Ministers face growing pressure to act amid fresh allegations over prince’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein

www.theguardian.com

On Tuesday, the SNP lodged an early-day motion (EDM) to formally remove Prince Andrew’s title as Duke of York, which he has said he will no longer use.

MPs are not permitted to criticise royals during parliamentary debates, but EDMs, which usually carry very little parliamentary weight, are one of the only ways that the conduct of a royal can be raised.

It's a symbolic gesture, but good for the SNP.

 

[Cachoo]

Glad to see this happening but we need the rest of the names of the Epstein creeps.

 

[Private Citizen]

Harry is considered domiciled in the UK still, despite living in California year-round (don't ask me why/how he's still considered domiciled in the UK, I'm not sure).

Domicile is a complicated concept, but is generally your "homeland." There are quantitative and qualitative criteria. The UK normally considers you domiciled if you've lived there 15 years out of the past 20 (among other criteria). I believe Harry has been gone since 2020. I'm guessing English law still views him as having closer ties to the UK than the US, probably influenced by his line of succession and role as a duke / counsellor of state. Or possibly because they had Frogmore until 2023?

Prince Andrew has not paid rent on Royal Lodge for two decades

King’s brother charged ‘one peppercorn’ per year for the grace-and-favour mansion on Windsor Estate since 2003 after £8.5 million upfront costs

www.thetimes.com

I don't know what to think about this because he paid £1m upfront and paid for £7.5m in renovations, so in total £8.5m upfront for a 75-year lease. So he's not living rent-free. He paid rent upfront.

Whether it's a fair rent based on 2003 market value + the return that the Crown Estate has received on the upfront payment of rent, I don't know. But, on the surface, it doesn't seem totally outrageous to me.

 

[Vagabond]

I don't know what to think about this because he paid £1m upfront and paid for £7.5m in renovations, so in total £8.5m upfront for a 75-year lease. So he's not living rent-free. He paid rent upfront.

Whether it's a fair rent based on 2003 market value + the return that the Crown Estate has received on the upfront payment of rent, I don't know. But, on the surface, it doesn't seem totally outrageous to me.

Royal Lodge – or mini-palace? The 30-room house caught up in the Prince Andrew scandal

Country mansion boasts 40 hectares of grounds yet discredited prince pays only ‘a peppercorn’ in rent each year

www.theguardian.com

If the Crown Estate terminates the lease before its twenty-fifth anniversary in 2028, he will be entitled to a rebate. I think that is reasonable under the circumstances. And, as discussed in this article there are security reasons why only a member of the royal family should live there. But that doesn't mean that he has to live there.

By all means let him live somewhere that belongs to the Crown Estate or the King. But let it be somewhere smaller, albeit not a cell in the Tower of London, which doesn't house disgraced princes anymore.

 

[Winnipeg]

PA brings bad PR to the royal family. The greater a separation between him and the rest of the family, the better. Can he be stripped of the prince title? Asked to leave the royal grounds entirely, leave the country?