POV for Assessing Jump Rotation

[MacMadame]

But as @bladesofgorey mentioned, there are some salchow techniques that do look like toe loops. Of course, they're not really toe loops. But they look like it nonetheless.

And?

Just because some people can't tell what edges people are on (and apparently what foot they take off of) doesn't mean we have to penalize skaters who are using a recognized and accepted technique.

 

[On My Own]

And?

And... nothing. It is interesting to note. It's a skating technique and discussing on a skating forum is alright, eh?

Happens to be a skating technique I dislike, however. Seems like two people on thread agrees, at least.

Just because some people can't tell what edges people are on (and apparently what foot they take off of) doesn't mean we have to penalize skaters who are using a recognized and accepted technique.

Where exactly did I mention that I don't know which edge to take off on or which foot they're using? Or they should be penalized?

Here see:

Shcherbakova's Salchow is very confusing to me - I agree most of the power comes from the left leg/skating leg. But sometimes it does look like some of the power is coming from the right leg/free leg on the ice. https://youtu.be/uGCgJlDbZ4M?t=181 This is earlier from her career, so not a direct comparison anymore. I do think there's no significant weight transfer onto her right skate.

If you read the link provided upthread, you'll know that there is the (correct) statement that the weight on the right foot varies. Doesn't mean they're "taking off" the wrong foot - but, understandably, someone not familiar with skating might think otherwise. And, again, thanks, but I know the take off edge and feet used, whether you believe/like it or not

Again, here:

He notes that the amount of weight skaters put on the right foot varies a great deal, and will be mostly a personal preference for that skater.

But some do put a lot of weight on the right foot. Happens when there's an error on the euler (balance check) sometimes at the top levels, and the +3S gets invalidated. That, literally, is a rule, as @gkelly mentioned. And at lower levels, there needn't be an error on the euler - they are after all lower level skaters.

 

[MacMadame]

Where exactly did I mention that I don't know which edge to take off on or which foot they're using?

Anyone who thinks a 3S looks like a 3L doesn't.

 

[bladesofgorey]

Anyone who thinks a 3S looks like a 3L doesn't.

To be fair I understand exactly what DBfK is talking about and it does look loop-ish even though it'd definitely not a loop. I feel like I've seen some salchows from Bradie Tennell that are a good example of this. My coach experimented with trying to fix my salchow timing issue where I don't pivot up off the toepick with enough pressure and rely on the leg swing too much by teaching me the more toeloop-like tech to see if it would help and it definitively feels a bit more like a loop doing it that way since my weight is more narrow over the takeoff leg (btw I hated it and we ditched the experiment).

 

[On My Own]

Anyone who thinks a 3S looks like a 3L doesn't.

Please, stop and try to understand what is written. I didn't say she was doing a loop. I can't help you if you've never seen lower level skaters do that sort of tech. Maybe watch more skating?

Sorry. I trust my own knowledge. Still don't care if you don't believe/like that I know what I'm talking about.

@bladesofgorey yes, thanks for putting into words what I'm talking about. I don't have the best way to describe these things in English, and even in other languages, it's very much visual to me. And yes a lot of it is feeling based, where I think their weight is and so on, which is another thing I can't particularly communicate through words.

 

[MacMadame]

Maybe watch more skating?