LA County Fires / Palisades Fire

I believe miffy told everyone to leave politics out of the thread, no? What part of that was too hard for some of you to understand?

This is a thread about fires in LA. Stay on topic and exert some self-control. I'm going to delete some posts. I do not want to need to do this again.
 
Vash01 said:
Would it help if it rains in LA? Can we pray for rain? The task to contain the fires seems almost out of human capabilities l am sorry for sounding so pessimistic.
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Yes and no. Rain would help put out the fires, but it would also lead to mudslides. Additionally, the toxic waste from the burned out areas would leech further into the watershed if it rains. On the whole, I'd say rain probably wouldn't be helpful right now - it would be better if the winds died down.
 
Badams said:
I right there with you. This devastation is just unfathomable to me, as I sit here surrounded by the Great lakes and moisture and lake effect snow. I'll take my constant winter storm warnings and my 6 feet of snow and my winter until May,
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Tornado season stinks but they don't stay on the ground for days at a time. This is horrific. I've been watching some TikToks, while it is still here, and those who stayed put to try and save their homes is some harrowing content. And the thing is the winds aren't calming. Just because they saved it once doesn't mean it will happen when the winds swirl and embers come flying again.
 
Vagabond said:
California Air Quality Map

At the moment, the air is "unhealthy for all" or worse over almost all of the City of Los Angeles and the other most highly populated areas of the county. :yikes: 😷
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Is the most I’ve seen people wearing masks in LA in quite some time now. Although as I was walking home from the gym just now, which I was able to go to, I stared at the stars .. they were quite noticeable to me and I stopped and I stared up.

My friend in Palm Springs said the air quality wasn’t that great there either.
 
Was the Palisades Fire started by a rekindling of a blaze from New Year’s Day?

In this composite: (Left) Don Griffin snapped a photo from his backyard of an early morning Jan. 1, fire in Pacific Palisades that started after reports of fireworks in the neighborhood. Firefighters held that fire to 8 acres, but six days later on Jan. 7, he photographed the start of the deadly Palisades Fire in the same area. Experts said it's possible the first fire rekindled under strong winds.
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:mad:
 
Snippet from a NYT article on Jan. 11 - As the cadaver dogs begin their search, a grim reality sets in for one sheriff.
Rows of houses had vanished, and the unsettling reality that had been hinted at all week finally sank in for Sheriff Luna. The cadaver dogs were sent in on Saturday. Officials began the meticulous process of checking thousands of structures within the search area for victims.
“Unfortunately, I think we’re going to find more fatalities,” the sheriff said. “You don’t have this kind of destruction and not have that.”
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manhn said:
It was not that long ago that devestating wildfires occurred in Quebec and Ontario.
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Judy said:
2023. 8 firefighters killed 😔.
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85 people died in the Camp Fire in 2018 in Paradise, California. We have a family friend who fled with her grandmother with the clothes on their backs & whatever they could grab.

14 firefighters were killed in the 1994 South Canyon Fire on Storm King Mountain near Glenwood Springs, Colorado. My brother was a firefighter with the US Forest Service that summer & was working a fire line in Nevada when the winds that killed those firefighters in Colorado came through. The safe zone they had cleared out for shelter should the fire overtake them was completely burned & the fire blankets they had would not have saved them had their own crew chief not pulled them out when they got the forecast about the high winds.

25 people were killed in the 1991 Oakland Hills firestorm. One of my college dorm mates' family nearly lost their home.

44 people killed in the 2017 Northern California/Wine Country Fires - the Tubbs fire was the one that destroyed parts of Santa Rosa, California and, up until 2018, the costliest fire in California history. Thankfully, I didn't know anyone who was directly impacted by that fire.

20 people killed during the 2020 Oregon wildfire season - surprisingly, I don't know anyone who died, but I've driven through the small town of Detroit both before and after the fire swept through there and it's pretty sad - many memories of camping & fishing at Lake Detroit (manmade reservoir on the Santiam River).

This fire is surely going to surpass the death toll in all but the Camp Fire and it may very well surpass the Camp Fire when the cadaver dogs have finished searching the ruins. What happens next, I don't know, but I'll keep praying for California.
 
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I am going to delete every post that mentions politics, the political leanings of news sources or other posters, and any posts that quote any other posts that mentions those things. The topic is the LA fires.

Are we clear on this yet?

If you aren't adult enough to refrain, we have a PM function.
 
In addition to the harrowing escapes from the fires on various social media platforms, I have seen some amazing examples of bravery and people just helping each other even at great risk. But most of all the heroism of the fire fighters. Risking their lives rescuing people and animals.
 
A KTLA report on a donation center very near where I grew up:

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Karen-W said:
85 people died in the Camp Fire in 2018 in Paradise, California. We have a family friend who fled with her grandmother with the clothes on their backs & whatever they could grab.

14 firefighters were killed in the 1994 South Canyon Fire on Storm King Mountain near Glenwood Springs, Colorado. My brother was a firefighter with the US Forest Service that summer & was working a fire line in Nevada when the winds that killed those firefighters in Colorado came through. The safe zone they had cleared out for shelter should the fire overtake them was completely burned & the fire blankets they had would not have saved them had their own crew chief not pulled them out when they got the forecast about the high winds.

25 people were killed in the 1991 Oakland Hills firestorm. One of my college dorm mates' family nearly lost their home.

44 people killed in the 2017 Northern California/Wine Country Fires - the Tubbs fire was the one that destroyed parts of Santa Rosa, California and, up until 2018, the costliest fire in California history. Thankfully, I didn't know anyone who was directly impacted by that fire.

20 people killed during the 2020 Oregon wildfire season - surprisingly, I don't know anyone who died, but I've driven through the small town of Detroit both before and after the fire swept through there and it's pretty sad - many memories of camping & fishing at Lake Detroit (manmade reservoir on the Santiam River).

This fire is surely going to surpass the death toll in all but the Camp Fire and it may very well surpass the Camp Fire when the cadaver dogs have finished searching the ruins. What happens next, I don't know, but I'll keep praying for California.
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The man and his son with cerebral palsey: The NYT reports that he thought help was coming for them. He was getting calls from relatives elsewhere and told them not to worry. And it never came. His other son who lived with them and cared for them was already hospitalized with sepsis.
 
Cachoo said:
The man and his son with cerebral palsey: The NYT reports that he thought help was coming for them. He was getting calls from relatives elsewhere and told them not to worry. And it never came. His other son who lived with them and cared for them was already hospitalized with sepsis.
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I saw that story. Soooo heartbreaking.

There was a woman whose son is blind & I think also had cerebral palsy - she had a broken arm & couldn't lift him to get him out. He told her to go and save herself because they couldn't get a response from any first responders to assist. I cried reading that story.
 
Karen-W said:
I saw that story. Soooo heartbreaking.

There was a woman whose son is blind & I think also had cerebral palsy - she had a broken arm & couldn't lift him to get him out. He told her to go and save herself because they couldn't get a response from any first responders to assist. I cried reading that story.
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How awful. I hope something good comes from it. The fires spread so fast but maybe some sort of neighborhood watch to grab folks and animals and skedaddle. Easier said than done.
 
When you read the stories of the victims and see their photos and names, it is heart breaking. Must be So hard for the survivors!

The man who was interviewed on 60 minutes said that he kept calling his sister to leave. Next day he went to her house and saw her car was outside. He was afraid when he went inside. He found his sister’s body there. :(

I read this is a fire people would tell their grandchildren about.
 
Vash01 said:
When you read the stories of the victims and see their photos and names, it is heart breaking. Must be So hard for the survivors!

The man who was interviewed on 60 minutes said that he kept calling his sister to leave. Next day he went to her house and saw her car was outside. He was afraid when he went inside. He found his sister’s body there. :(
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Here's the clip :(:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1878597989754642693

Longer clip on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEv1WK0uARm/
 
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Sylvia said:
99-year-old Dick Van Dyke didn’t lose his house or his cat, Bobo :): https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDpv2I4qKzo/
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In the same vein, James Woods didn't lose his house either - though most of the homes in his neighborhood did not survive the fire. I'll refrain from sharing his X posts because he doesn't hold back on his political views, but he was interviewed on CNN & several other major media outlets Wednesday through Friday when the status of his home was still uncertain. He only got back up to his house yesterday to see the devastation in person. He's also shared some video clips made by his neighbor who saved both their houses and another one during the fire itself.
 
The next big problem will be rains. LA is entering their rainy season. If the rains come in reasonable amounts, flooding and landslides will be kept at a minimum. If there is an atmospheric river with very heavy rains, the rain will mix with the ash and debris and form lahars that will flow down the hillsides. Lahars are seen in areas where volcanic ash mixes with heavy rain and flows down hillsides like a tide of wet cement.
 
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