Kolyada Withdrawn from Olympics, Replaced by Semenenko

[Spun Silver]

Guys, I'm pretty sure @Spun Silver meant negative.

Thanks for that! Of course I meant negative.

 

[Spun Silver]

You may be right. I was confused by her post. Spun silver is not the type who would wish that on anyone.

Thank you, Vash! I did type the wrong word. Can't even blame it on autocorrect.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

It's very lucky that everyone you know has had a mild or asymptomatic case given that the rate of C0V1D deaths since omicron took hold has been even higher than that of Delta. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health...e-in-u-s-daily-death-count-than-delta-variant that hasn't been a lot of people's experience. Florida's vaccination rate is only 65% so I'm surprised people there are pretending everything is fine tbh.

I dunno if anyone is pretending. We are just living a normal life. We are based in Tampa. Tall buildings, yoga studios, a medical school, and lots of people with advanced degrees. Florida is a big state. South Florida is completely different from say Orlando or Sarasota. There are a lot of rural areas in Florida as well. I can only speak for where we are at. It has been business as usual since June 2020. At the end of a day, people are responsible for their personal choices. Those who do not wish to get vaccinated, do it at their own risk.

 

[becca]

I dunno if anyone is pretending. We are just living a normal life. We are based in Tampa. Tall buildings, yoga studios, a medical school, and lots of people with advanced degrees. Florida is a big state. South Florida is completely different from say Orlando or Sarasota. There are a lot of rural areas in Florida as well. I can only speak for where we are at. It has been business as usual since June 2020. At the end of a day, people are responsible for their personal choices. Those who do not wish to get vaccinated, do it at their own risk.

I feel like the media likes to play things to about certain states.

I live in Texas in a major city here and a lot of people actually do wear masks! In stores and things I know a ton of people who are vaccinated.

At the end of the day Covid is here to stay so I do feel Florida’s policy is the only way forward

 

[karmena]

I am not so sure of that. I think China will do what is best for China.

Don’t pretend that westerners are models of virtues.

I do not pretend anything, neither I had any intention to do so. Perhaps expression was not right (?) :-(
People may be good and wonderful, and perfect ( and they are) but the soviet spirit does not die so quickly; it takes decades and decades, and decades for it to disappear.

 

[Tahuu]

No - this is from the playbook (thanks @Gris)


So, theoretically, it would depend on who was seated near him on the plane and how much physical contact he has had with any skaters or the amount of time he's spent in close proximity to any of them. It's impossible for any of us to know, but I'd guess that everyone on Team Eteri is potentially compromised.

Kogan less so, since he isn't in close day-to-day contact with any of these skaters.

If they wore or claimed to have worn N95 in the duration, they would not be considered as c;ose contact for isolation.

 

[Karen-W]

If they wore or claimed to have worn N95 in the duration, they would not be considered as c;ose contact for isolation.

Right, but they also are potentially going to have contracted it regardless of what they were or weren't wearing.

 

[MacMadame]

They can claim false positive all they want but they still have to test once they are off the plane in China. What’s their plan for that?

Most people I know who claim a false positive do so because they had a subsequent test that was negative. Sometimes the negative test is an aberration but sometimes they continue to test negative so that one test was clearly a false positive.

 

[taz'smum]

Who says the athletes even know. Team doctor could be giving it daily with a handful of vitamins. To make them stronger and help them jump higher.

Russian skaters have been paranoid about taking anything since the whole doping scandal began.
So, they don't take anything without checking out what it is first and checking it is not on the WADA doping list.
Also, team doctors only give out vitamins after blood tests indicate a deficiency.

There is too much at stake for Russian athletes to blindly take any old stuff a doctor may give them.

 

[Miezekatze]

Most people I know who claim a false positive do so because they had a subsequent test that was negative. Sometimes the negative test is an aberration but sometimes they continue to test negative so that one test was clearly a false positive.

The possibility that a false positive test was actually a false positive test is much too undramatic for this thread ?

 

[wickedwitch]

The possibility that a false positive test was actually a false positive test is much too undramatic for this thread ?

I think one false positive is completely plausible but two? That would be really really unlikely.

 

[Ananas Astra]

I think one false positive is completely plausible but two? That would be really really unlikely.

One of my pupils used to have 2-3 false positive tests within one week, so it's actually possible.

 

[Wyliefan]

One of my pupils used to have 2-3 false positive tests within one week, so it's actually possible.

I think @wickedwitch meant both those guys getting false positive tests, which would be a pretty big coincidence.

 

[hanca]

I think @wickedwitch meant both those guys getting false positive tests, which would be a pretty big coincidence.

Out of roughly 50 skaters who are on the national team and have to test frequently, and roughly 50 coaches, judges and other officials, it doesn’t seem to me that unlikely that random two would have false positive.

 

[winterchik]

there is no such thing as a false positive !!
what a joke ,you have it and it shows up on the test or not

 

[winterchik]

I think one false positive is completely plausible but two? That would be really really unlikely.

more likely a false negative

 

[hanca]

there is no such thing as a false positive !!
what a joke ,you have it and it shows up on the test or not

Depends what test they have done. The tests you do yourself at home when you have no symptoms are not completely accurate. If it shows that you have it, you attend the testing centre and have yourself tested properly and it may show that you don’t have it. That means that the previous result was a false positive.

 

[Ananas Astra]

there is no such thing as a false positive !!
what a joke ,you have it and it shows up on the test or not

We have different kinds of tests at school. I have also had a false positive Genrui test once. Did a second one with a Lyher test-set and that was negative.
Last week, out of 7 kids 5 had a false positive Genrui test, to be followed by a negative Lyher one.
A friend of ours had several false positive tests, then did a PCR-test and it came back negative.
It happens all the time.

 

[Hedwig]

there is no such thing as a false positive !!
what a joke ,you have it and it shows up on the test or not

no. the rapid tests do have some false positives in them. We use them here extensively for school and work (people who are not vaccinated need to do a test) - false positives can happen of course. For instance, if you drink coke before taking a spit test, it can change the result.

 

[Miezekatze]

Antigen tests being stored or used in too cold weather also can lead to false positives. Which is why I'm a bit sceptical of outdoor test sites in tents when it's clearly freezing.

 

[winterchik]

no. the rapid tests do have some false positives in them. We use them here extensively for school and work (people who are not vaccinated need to do a test) - false positives can happen of course. For instance, if you drink coke before taking a spit test, it can change the result.

no. the rapid tests do have some false positives in them. We use them here extensively for school and work (people who are not vaccinated need to do a test) - false positives can happen of course. For instance, if you drink coke before taking a spit test, it can change the result.

We are talking pcr ( russia )

 

[aka_gerbil]

I think one false positive is completely plausible but two? That would be really really unlikely.

If the tests were pcr tests in the same run and one of the other reagents was accidentally contaminated with the positive control, you can have more than one false positive. It is rare because at diagnostics level testing, you have experienced lab techs and often automatic liquid handling systems, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility. It’s why you put a negative control (sample DNA or cDNA that is not from what you are trying to detect) and no template control (the ultra pure molecular bio grade water used to set up your pcr master mix instead of DNA/cDNA) to catch if anything like that has happened.

 

[Vash01]

If the tests were pcr tests in the same run and one of the other reagents was accidentally contaminated with the positive control, you can have more than one false positive. It is rare because at diagnostics level testing, you have experienced lab techs and often automatic liquid handling systems, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility. It’s why you put a negative control (sample DNA or cDNA that is not from what you are trying to detect) and no template control (the ultra pure molecular bio grade water used to set up your pcr master mix instead of DNA/cDNA) to catch if anything like that has happened.

Thank you for this. I learned something new.

 

[Rukia]

If the tests were pcr tests in the same run and one of the other reagents was accidentally contaminated with the positive control, you can have more than one false positive. It is rare because at diagnostics level testing, you have experienced lab techs and often automatic liquid handling systems, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility. It’s why you put a negative control (sample DNA or cDNA that is not from what you are trying to detect) and no template control (the ultra pure molecular bio grade water used to set up your pcr master mix instead of DNA/cDNA) to catch if anything like that has happened.

The odds of this happening are...so slim though. And yeah, you're going to run controls so that you'd never report these results anyway. But also you wouldn't just get one or two tests positive if there was contamination. I mean the whole set would show up positive, which should raise your eyebrows for mistakes right there.

 

[aka_gerbil]

Thank you for this. I learned something new.

You’re welcome.

It is extremely, extremely rare for this to happen in a diagnostics lab, but is in the realm of possibilities.

Edit: Way back in the day when I was first learning pcr, I had some runs where I’d have part of my samples contaminated, part of them not. But that was technical pipetting error from someone inexperienced and making sloppy mistakes. You usually don’t see that in diagnostics labs because the techs are experienced.

If the controls that should’ve be positive came up positive, then you’d run it again.

The nuance to this situation is that it is possible to have two false positives. However, it’s extremely rare (and not what I think is going on here.)

 

[Frau Muller]

And now TSL’s “David Spletnikov-Lease” gives his hilarious take on the “false-positives” situation, Russian accent and all. Please don’t drink coffee as you listen or it will be spraying out, as just happened to me!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zh5FcNt1tm0

 

[AYS]

Has there been anything in any of these reports that says they believe these were false positives because of subsequent negative tests? Granted, I haven't been scouring the news on this, but I haven’t seen that. I’ve only seen the claim of false positive and asserting they needed to fly with the team.

 

[jiejie]

Whatever the Russians say or believe, the Chinese Olympic Playbook instructions are clear: if one has had a positive PCR test--any one test in the required predeparture testing sequence--do not travel to China. Whether the Russians go 'by the book' or invent their own rules for themselves, and what the Chinese intend to do...we shall see.

Comments above about rapid antigen testing are IRRELEVANT as the Chinese only accept PCR testing (by a legitimate lab) as part of the pre-departure process.

 

[love_skate2011]

Whatever the Russians say or believe, the Chinese Olympic Playbook instructions are clear: if one has had a positive PCR test--any one test in the required predeparture testing sequence--do not travel to China. Whether the Russians go 'by the book' or invent their own rules for themselves, and what the Chinese intend to do...we shall see.

Comments above about rapid antigen testing are IRRELEVANT as the Chinese only accept PCR testing (by a legitimate lab) as part of the pre-departure process.

for non athletes they might make wiggle room of automatic mandatory quarantine of 10 days and another PCR test

 

[Karen-W]

for non athletes they might make wiggle room of automatic mandatory quarantine of 10 days and another PCR test

Doubt it based on the reports that have surfaced about journalists needing to quarantine if they test positive on arrival. I don't think that China is going to be lenient in any way.