Kolyada Withdrawn from Olympics, Replaced by Semenenko

[Spun Silver]

@Vash01 - you need to read and understand the Beijing C19 Playbook - anyone deemed a "close contact" ie ANYONE on Team Eteri - skater or coach - with someone who tests positive can be singled out for quarantine. In no way was I hoping for ANYONE to test positive. What I was saying is that it would be very easy for one of the Eteri Women (Valieva, Trusova or Shcherbakova) as well as her Pairs team (TarMor) to be subject to the quarantine requirements for long enough to be forced to withdraw - sacrificial lambs, if you will, for China to make its point about C19 but still give Russia a more than reasonable shot at sweeping the Women (because Tukt is just as formidable as Eteri's trio), and it would benefit China to have at least one of the top Russian Pairs teams out of the way.

I wasn't wishing for any of them to actually get sick, just positing a hypothesis of how this could work in a way that would allow China to save face while not pissing Russia off TOO much.

Thanks for that clarification. I pray Gleikenhaus tests positive* ASAP.

* ETA: I meant to say negative! Sorry to confuse. I'm just leaving it in so other people's reactions will make sense.

 

[Karen-W]

Thanks for that clarification. I pray Gleikenhaus tests positive ASAP.

Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Gleik test positive either, but that's mostly because I don't need to see his smirking face on my screen in Beijing, not because I necessarily want any of the skaters to also test positive.

 

[olympic]

Meh. They're like Shpilband & Zhulin. Their priorities are totally their own interests, but they would have no problem teaming up to overthrow Papadakis & Cizeron before betraying one another in the interest of their own self advancement.

I get it. I just thought CHN would not want to appear weak or subservient to RUS interests

 

[rhapsody]

I do not think so. I think Russia have vastly underestimated China here. This Games is supposed to be China's shining jewel: "look at us! We hosted a marvellous Olympic Games and we did not have to postpone and it was perfectly successful even in the middle of a panini". They're not going to let that be ruined just because Russia thinks the rule doesn't apply to them. And China aren't going to bend over for Russia, why should they? They don't care if Russia gets pissy at them, they don't care if anyone gets pissy at them.

I think Russia is about to get a bit of a surprise if their intent is to try and force China into letting them break the rules.

This is more conspiracy thinking but it's also important to take note that China shifted the Olympic order of the skating disciplines, saving pairs (which have their best chance of a gold) for last emphasizing a great interest in winning there.

It's really only Russia who have the best bet to beat Sui/Han for the gold so to think China would let Russia slip through the cracks is laughable with this in mind. It's even more laughable when you see how tyrannical (whether right or wrong) they've been with their lockdowns when it comes to C0VID that they would let a country who have not taken it seriously at all slip by for no reason especially since it's not like China and Russia are close allies.

 

[Perky Shae Lynn]

You are hoping that T/M will test positive and they will be sent back? You have a very sick mind.

No, she is presenting a scenario.

Florida’s stats are also very suspect these days. I’m guessing they aren’t reporting all cases anymore.

We train in Florida. Everyone I know has had C19, all with mild symptoms or asymptomatic. Of course cases aren't reported because frankly nobody cares. Not saying it's right or wrong. But that's the reality here. Adults are vaccinated and boostered, and kids are vaccinated. Schools are open, no masks anywhere, life goes on. People with health issues are obviously at a higher risk and need to take special care. Please don't jump down my throat, I am not "advocating" anything - just reporting.

 

[skatfan]

No, she is presenting a scenario.

We train in Florida. Everyone I know has had C19, all with mild symptoms or asymptomatic. Of course cases aren't reported because frankly nobody cares. Not saying it's right or wrong. But that's the reality here. Adults are vaccinated and boostered, and kids are vaccinated. Schools are open, no masks anywhere, life goes on. People with health issues are obviously at a higher risk and need to take special care. Please don't jump down my throat, I am not "advocating" anything - just reporting.

Yes you are confirming exactly what I thought. No counting, no care.

PS. A lot us haven’t gotten COVID, still trying not to…

 

[bladesofgorey]

No, she is presenting a scenario.

We train in Florida. Everyone I know has had C19, all with mild symptoms or asymptomatic. Of course cases aren't reported because frankly nobody cares. Not saying it's right or wrong. But that's the reality here. Adults are vaccinated and boostered, and kids are vaccinated. Schools are open, no masks anywhere, life goes on. People with health issues are obviously at a higher risk and need to take special care. Please don't jump down my throat, I am not "advocating" anything - just reporting.

It's very lucky that everyone you know has had a mild or asymptomatic case given that the rate of C0V1D deaths since omicron took hold has been even higher than that of Delta. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health...e-in-u-s-daily-death-count-than-delta-variant that hasn't been a lot of people's experience. Florida's vaccination rate is only 65% so I'm surprised people there are pretending everything is fine tbh.

 

[canbelto]

nvm

 

[tony]

Deja-vu.

 

[Vash01]

Ha! China will do whatever Russians want. Its different world and morals, dear Westerner.

I am not so sure of that. I think China will do what is best for China.

Don’t pretend that westerners are models of virtues.

 

[Coco]

Guys, I'm pretty sure @Spun Silver meant negative.

 

[Vash01]

Vash, perhaps you need to re-read what was said and stop with your own silliness

Don’t ever call me that. I read it like any other post. What jumped out was that of all the skaters she mentioned the one pair that many on FSU hate, and they are among those who have the skills to beat S/H. Although I don’t see t/m as the biggest threat to S/H, they are the one she picked on. We all have our favorites but I wouldn’t wish that kind of bad luck on their opponents.

The silliness here is how quickly some posters are rushing to defend a post that was not in good taste. This should have been a discussion between the two posters involved. It is in extremely poor taste to ‘predict’ bad luck on skaters one doesn’t like.

 

[tony]

Don’t ever call me that. I read it with any other post. What jumped out was that of all the skaters she mentioned the one pair that many on FSU hate, and they are among those who have the skills to beat S/H. Although I don’t see t/m as the biggest threat to S/H, they are the one she picked on. We all have our favorites but I wouldn’t wish that kind of bad luck on their opponents.

The silliness here is how quickly some posters are rushing to defend a post that was not in good taste. This should have been a discussion between the two posters involved.

I didn't call you anything. You read it wrong, per usual. No one hates T/M, and they were mentioned for a reason that ties into the situation happening. Sometimes a little bit of critical thinking is involved past interpreting whatever you want-- which you still read wrong from what I gather. Take a breather, watch a T/M video, and go re-read the original post once again, maybe?

 

[VALuvsMKwan]

Don’t ever call me that. I read it with any other post. What jumped out was that of all the skaters she mentioned the one pair that many on FSU hate, and they are among those who have the skills to beat S/H. Although I don’t see t/m as the biggest threat to S/H, they are the one she picked on. We all have our favorites but I wouldn’t wish that kind of bad luck on their opponents.

The silliness here is how quickly some posters are rushing to defend a post that was not in good taste. This should have been a discussion between the two posters involved.

And you could have sent a PM to the poster with whom you had a disagreement (as could have that poster to you, assuming neither of you has disabled that option), and no one else here would have known, now would they?

 

[Karen-W]

Don’t ever call me that. I read it with any other post. What jumped out was that of all the skaters she mentioned the one pair that many on FSU hate, and they are among those who have the skills to beat S/H. Although I don’t see t/m as the biggest threat to S/H, they are the one she picked on. We all have our favorites but I wouldn’t wish that kind of bad luck on their opponents.

The silliness here is how quickly some posters are rushing to defend a post that was not in good taste. This should have been a discussion between the two posters involved.

"She" meaning me picked out TarMor specifically because they are Team Eteri and IF Danny G really does have a legit positive test then it would be damn easy for the Chinese to decide that TarMor need to isolate/quarantine. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do agree, they aren't the biggest threat to Sui/Han - in fact, I think they're the least threat of the Russian Pairs because they're the most susceptible to competition nerves on the biggest stages each season - but it would be really easy for the Chinese to at least take one threat out.

As far as what is or isn't "in good taste" - posting an hypothesis on how the Chinese could make a point about their C19 protocols but still allow Russia a good chance at their Women's sweep and at least two of their very strong pairs in the competition is hardly poor taste, especially when you read WAY more into my original post than was there.

Go learn how to read and stop jumping to idiotic conclusions.

 

[ChelleC]

Don’t ever call me that. I read it like any other post. What jumped out was that of all the skaters she mentioned the one pair that many on FSU hate, and they are among those who have the skills to beat S/H. Although I don’t see t/m as the biggest threat to S/H, they are the one she picked on. We all have our favorites but I wouldn’t wish that kind of bad luck on their opponents.

The silliness here is how quickly some posters are rushing to defend a post that was not in good taste. This should have been a discussion between the two posters involved. It is in extremely poor taste to ‘predict’ bad luck on skaters one doesn’t like.

I have absolutely no idea where you get the idea that many on FSU hate T/M, I'm not certain I've ever read any posts that show hatred towards them. There were logical reasons for T/M to be listed in that post, but if you can't comprehend that, then there's really nothing anyone can do to change that.

You are not the authority on what is in good taste and what is not in good taste, and no one is predicting bad luck towards T/M or any other skater.

Also as the person you originally called silly in this discussion, I have one final thing to say, if you can't take it, then don't dish it out.

 

[Gris]

@Vash01 - you need to read and understand the Beijing C19 Playbook - anyone deemed a "close contact" ie ANYONE on Team Eteri - skater or coach - with someone who tests positive can be singled out for quarantine. In no way was I hoping for ANYONE to test positive. What I was saying is that it would be very easy for one of the Eteri Women (Valieva, Trusova or Shcherbakova) as well as her Pairs team (TarMor) to be subject to the quarantine requirements for long enough to be forced to withdraw - sacrificial lambs, if you will, for China to make its point about C19 but still give Russia a more than reasonable shot at sweeping the Women (because Tukt is just as formidable as Eteri's trio), and it would benefit China to have at least one of the top Russian Pairs teams out of the way.

Close contacts are still able to compete though - see page 38 of the playbook.

And the definition of "close contacts" on a flight: (page 30 of the playbook)

– A close contact on a flight is a person who has been in any of the following scenarios:
– Seated in the same row as or within two rows in front of/behind the infected person
– Having direct physical contact with the infected person
– Having face-to-face contact with the infected person within one metre for over 15 minutes, without wearing a KN95/N95/FFP2 mask (or mask of an equivalent standard of protection, recognised in your country/region of residence)

So if Gleikhengauz and Kogan are so adamant that they must travel with the team, at least make them sit away from the athletes. Other than that, good luck.

 

[aka_gerbil]

Is Kogan at the camp? He’s not associated with a particular camp, but RusFed so in theory could have been around any of the skaters from any group at the team camp—not just Eteri’s skaters.

Being on the same flight would also put all of the skaters on the flight, regardless of coach. So, in this situation, all the skaters could be targeted because of Kogan. Additionally, the St. Petersburg pairs were on the flight with the member of the Mishin camp who is positive.

If China wanted to make a point, they could go after any Russian skater at that camp, not just the girls and t/m.

 

[DreamSkates]

In the U.S., nobody is reporting all cases anymore, if only because so many people go no further than at home tests, which aren't reported.

Not true. It is easy to look up graphs of current cases by state. But true, home tests are not reported.

 

[DreamSkates]

I would like to be a fly on the wall when the Russians are explaining to the Chinese that their tests are false positives.

But seriously, this isn't good and I hope and pray the skaters will be okay!

The Chinese have their own tests. It doesn't matter what the Russians or anyone else says to the Chinese upon arrival.

 

[BittyBug]

Not true. It is easy to look up graphs of current cases by state. But true, home tests are not reported.

If you agree that home tests are not reported, then they are not reporting all cases, which was the allegation against the state of FL. Just about everyone that I know that has gotten O, myself included, confirmed it with a home test, so there are a lot of cases not being counted. But maybe I misunderstand the FL situation - are they not reporting anything at all? Or are there simply suspicions that the numbers are tweaked?

 

[DreamSkates]

I for example did not try to avoid the ***** very much ever since I got vaccinated.

I always wore masks were it is mandated, but I always went indoor dining or doing indoor yoga unmasked and stuff like that. Also during the Delta wave and so far the Omicron wave.

So, because if some people get infected by one masked trip to the supermarket, theoretically I should have been infected several times by now... If this followed any "rules", which obviously it doesn't. Of course maybe I just didn't notice a past infection despite weekly tests.

But I think with Omicron and less rules in most countries it's out of line to "blame" athletes for not managing to keep ********* free. The timing of the Olympics is just unfortunate for that.

Not everyone responds in the same way. You could have been infected and asymptomatic. And/or developed antibodies. I know 2 couples, both husbands got covid but the wives never appeared to have symptoms. Not sure if they tested at all because they had no symptoms. Some people have better immune systems than others which can kill a virus right off the bat and are not infected.

 

[DreamSkates]

I was in Orlando, Florida in December and a majority of people at the shopping mall, the CVS pharmacy where I got my booster shot (god bless the USA), and the Four Seasons hotel were NOT wearing masks. It’s like ********* doesn’t exist in Florida. I realize Florida is not indicative of the whole of the US but it was eye-opening to me. You can’t go anywhere indoors in Canada without wearing a mask.

I live in North Carolina. In my city (rural county) most don't wear masks. I went to a large city recently. Masks were mandated plus people wore them in their cars and even walking from the car into the store. Different way of thinking there than here. I wear them inside anywhere I go.

 

[Vash01]

Guys, I'm pretty sure @Spun Silver meant negative.

You may be right. I was confused by her post. Spun silver is not the type who would wish that on anyone.

 

[skatfan]

But maybe I misunderstand the FL situation - are they not reporting anything at all? Or are there simply suspicions that the numbers are tweaked?

they tried to silence the data analyst compiling their numbers. She fought back. They stopped giving daily county by county numbers. No daily death and hospitalization numbers either. Yeah I don’t believe their numbers given how politicized the governor has made everything.

 

[Frau Muller]

Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Gleik test positive either, but that's mostly because I don't need to see his smirking face on my screen in Beijing, not because I necessarily want any of the skaters to also test positive.

Awwww…who’s gonna hold the skaters’ lucky stuffed animals if not Danny G? He has a vital job! ? ? ?

 

[PRlady]

I am not going to engage in your silliness.

Honestly you’re the batty one here, unless you just have a reading comprehension problem.

 

[ChelleC]

Awwww…who’s gonna hold the skaters’ lucky stuffed animals if not Danny G? He has a vital job! ? ? ?

Dudakov can, seems like he was holding Akateva's at junior Nats.

 

[Coco]

So if Dani G is positive, isn't everyone else on the plan a close contact? This situation is crazypants.

 

[Karen-W]

So if Dani G is positive, isn't everyone else on the plan a close contact? This situation is crazypants.

No - this is from the playbook (thanks @Gris)

– A close contact on a flight is a person who has been in any of the following scenarios:
– Seated in the same row as or within two rows in front of/behind the infected person
– Having direct physical contact with the infected person
– Having face-to-face contact with the infected person within one metre for over 15 minutes, without wearing a KN95/N95/FFP2 mask (or mask of an equivalent standard of protection, recognised in your country/region of residence)

So, theoretically, it would depend on who was seated near him on the plane and how much physical contact he has had with any skaters or the amount of time he's spent in close proximity to any of them. It's impossible for any of us to know, but I'd guess that everyone on Team Eteri is potentially compromised.

Kogan less so, since he isn't in close day-to-day contact with any of these skaters.