Keeping Track of Criminal Cases & SafeSport Suspensions in Skating

skatingguy

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Why isn't Gauthier in that database? Is he not restricted?

Gauthier was permanently expelled from Skate Canada. He's on this list on the SC website https://lamp.skatecanada.ca/suspended-en.pdf
This list has just been launched. It's likely that they haven't included everyone who is restricted by various sports organizations in Canada. It will take time I would imagine to compile all that information, and enter it into the central registry. It will be informative to see how large the list gets eventually, because at this point it's very short.
 

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I don't quite understand this, but there are several people on the list that I linked above that are not on the OSIC registry. Like, everyone on the SC list as being under an "interim suspension". And if Sorenson is on the registry, shouldn't he also be on the SC list?

ETA: @skatingguy I'd agree with you except that OSIC has been holding up Skate Canada as an example of good practices in the area of making disciplinary actions public (which is debatable, but that's another discussion). So OSIC presumably is well aware of the list that SC already publishes and has had access to that information for a while.
 

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I see on the database that Tyler Myles is permanently ineligible as of February 16, 2024. The prohibited behaviour is: Boundary Transgressions, Interference with or Manipulation of Process, Physical Maltreatment, Sexual Maltreatment
Does anyone know more about this?
 

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Wendell McGrath Coach – AB InterimSuspensionJanuary 18, 2024, anyone know about this one?
 

skatingguy

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I don't quite understand this, but there are several people on the list that I linked above that are not on the OSIC registry. Like, everyone on the SC list as being under an "interim suspension". And if Sorenson is on the registry, shouldn't he also be on the SC list?

ETA: @skatingguy I'd agree with you except that OSIC has been holding up Skate Canada as an example of good practices in the area of making disciplinary actions public (which is debatable, but that's another discussion). So OSIC presumably is well aware of the list that SC already publishes and has had access to that information for a while.
This whole process is so shrouded in secrecy that it's hard to know what to make of that sort of endorsement, and even if they were aware of Skate Canada's database that doesn't mean that the information was automatically entered into their own database without some sort of review.
 

MacMadame

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As I've said previously, I think Soerensen is probably guilty. But until he's proven guilty or a lot more evidence emerges, I am not going to condemn Dubreuil.
I'm not going to condemn her but her conduct at Worlds made me uncomfortable. I would prefer more neutral conduct until the matter is resolved. She didn't reach Sappenfield level with passing out of a visual sign of support but she very clearly gave warm public support. I think she should have avoided being in the KnC at all while the investigation is ongoing.

The current system in Canada requires that everyone keep all information confidential, but because the accuser is an American she may be able to say more than others about the allegations, process, and any sanctions imposed on Sorensen. If she did speak openly the Office of the Sport Integrity Commission could impose sanctions, but I don't know that they could enforce them because they don't have jurisdiction over her involvement in sports in the US.
She hasn't shown any inclination to speak out. All speaking at this point is through her lawyer and I expect that to continue.

Sorensen is currently subject to "Prohibition(s) or Variation(s) on Activities." I hope that this means that he cannot coach anyone right now.
He stopped coaching kids but I believe he's still coaching adults.
 

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The Canadian equivalent of the SportSafe registry has gone live. Sorensen is listed on it, under "provisional measures" for "unproven allegations of maltreatment", with unspecified limitations on his activities. These limitations were put into place at the end of November.

Is the Jamie McGrigor listed there the 70's pair skater, former Director of Development of Skate Canada British Columbia and the ISU technical specialist (who called Pair event at Junior Worlds last month)?
 

skatingguy

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She hasn't shown any inclination to speak out. All speaking at this point is through her lawyer and I expect that to continue.
I wasn't saying that she would, just that in theory because she's not Canadian she might have more freedom to speak out.
 
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I don't know the specifics of the complaint, but imagine being the complainant, or a supporter of the complainant, and seeing him officiating an event you were involved with. Unbelievable.
Yeah, it's pretty terrible. It was a low-level competition, and the friend that saw him there, and briefly chatted with him said he was the same as always. I'm not at all surprised to see him on the list. I expect my dad would have formally complained about him, if there was any kind of a process for such things 20+ years ago. My dad did bring up concerns to the club executive, but he was moving on anyway, nothing was criminal, and I wasn't in any particular danger. My dad's concerns were more ethical, though there were things I heard about second hand that at the time were accepted that now I'd be furious about if it was my kid.
 

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March 28th article by Donna Spencer of The Canadian Press (March 28): https://www.cbc.ca/sports/abuse-free-sport-registry-made-public-1.7159431
Excerpts:
The registry, maintained by OSIC, includes a person's name, province, sport, category and nature of violation, sanction or provisional suspension, and date and length of sanction.
The registry contained Thursday the names of five sanctioned individuals and another 21 provisionally ineligible or being monitored for conduct that contravened the UCCMS [Universal Code of Conduct to Prevent Abuse and Maltreatment in Sport].
"The main reason behind publishing the Abuse-Free Sport Registry is to reduce risks to the safety of all members of the sport community," OSIC interim commissioner André Lepage said Thursday in a statement.
"It provides another tool to the general public with regard to safeguarding against maltreatment, while also contributing to the deterrence and denunciation of maltreatment and helping prevent reoccurrence."
The registry "is not a comprehensive list of all individuals named in all reports received by the Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner, nor does it include respondents subject to other types of sanctions and provisional measures, such as education and training," the statement said.
Gymnasts For Change founder Amelia Cline, a lawyer who spoke to parliamentary committees about the physical and verbal abuse she endured at the hands of coaches as a young athlete, says the registry doesn't go far enough.
"It certainly doesn't capture the full picture of the abuse that's happening in sport across this country," Cline said. "We know just from the work that we have done in our organization at Gymnasts For Change, there are thousands of complaints.
"We know that many of the complaints that we are personally involved with are not reflected on this registry, so it's not an accurate picture. It's not giving parents of children and other athletes in this country the ability to make informed decisions about where they put their child and whether that child is going to be safe in that environment."
 

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I see on the database that Tyler Myles is permanently ineligible as of February 16, 2024. The prohibited behaviour is: Boundary Transgressions, Interference with or Manipulation of Process, Physical Maltreatment, Sexual Maltreatment
Skate Canada updated their Permanent Expulsions/Interim Suspensions list on April 2 and Myles was moved to the latter category:
"Tyler Myles Coach – AB Interim Suspension February 17, 2024 – To be determined (sanction imposed by Abuse-Free Sport appealed to SDRCC)" - link: https://lamp.skatecanada.ca/suspended-en.pdf
 

Theoreticalgirl

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A really good longform piece by Diana Moskovitz outlining some of the recent developments (or lack thereof) with SafeSport:


ETA: A link to the comission report (275 pp) for those curious:


And @Sylvia I updated the link so that non-subscribers should be able to see it now. LMK if it works!
 
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Sylvia

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^^^ Thanks @Theoreticalgirl! Can you summarize highlights maybe? (A subscription is required to read the entire piece.)

March 1st in this thread:
The commission's final report (in full) was released this morning:

There were ten areas of focus, with athlete safety being first and foremost
and that section of the report begins on page 9 of the full report.
Quite a bit of information to read through and to summarize.
 

Theoreticalgirl

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^^^ Thanks @Theoreticalgirl! Can you summarize highlights maybe? (A subscription is required to read the entire piece.)

March 1st in this thread:

Sorry, don't have time to summarize. People should be able to read it for free at least once—I know that the Defector paywall goes up after visiting the site a couple of times.
 

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