I was just surprised that they didnt' at least acknowledge that two of Canada's top 3 teams were not present... even a "With FB-S & L&L not here this week, this is an amazing opportunity for 3-4 teams to have a crack at the podium." That's all that had to be said...but instead it was like neither team even existed. I found it very weird.
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It does seem odd not to mention the reigning Canadian Champions, and the reigning Canadian Silver Medalists, and why they're not competing. This is where the conflict of interest between a broadcaster presenting an event, and an event produced by the organization itself.
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Given that much of the streaming audience was probably the hard-core fans who were actually able to find the stream, I suspect most of the audience already knew why those two couples weren't there.
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I think even if the event had been televised by CBC and not Skate Canada (at least that's my understanding of televised), the legal risk of discussing a case that is under investigation would make it inadvisable to comment. Kaitlyn is an employee and therefore not free to comment without legal implications to her employer. FWIW I objected to M-F speaking out because she is the public face of I-AM.
Should Kaitlyn not be an employee, she would not be the face of the employer-then I see that she could speak freely (but without knowledge of the situation it's rumor).
If I understand the situation correctly, the allegations were revealed by an American Reporter, who is not confined by the confidentiality rules of the Skate Canada investigation?
What kind of reference could be made as to the absence of Sorenson without more speculation? If a reference of illness was made about La/La, there would be speculation of F-B/S absence.
Should Kaitlyn not be an employee, she would not be the face of the employer-then I see that she could speak freely (but without knowledge of the situation it's rumor).
If I understand the situation correctly, the allegations were revealed by an American Reporter, who is not confined by the confidentiality rules of the Skate Canada investigation?
What kind of reference could be made as to the absence of Sorenson without more speculation? If a reference of illness was made about La/La, there would be speculation of F-B/S absence.
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They made constant mention that there would be a new Canadian Men’s champion. K/K could have been allowed to mention that, because FB/S and L/L withdrew before the competition, there would be new teams on the national podiums for the first time/opportunities for new teams/let’s see who will step up, and then they could each have spoken about their own first time on the podium experiences. By grouping both withdrawals together, they wouldn’t have had to reference the case. By ignoring the two major withdrawals, there was an elephant in the room, IMO.
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@kwanfan1818 I agree that it could have been done that way, but I think that would have drawn criticism for not mentioning why the withdrawals happened. IMO just not mentioning it was the safer strategy.
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Barton and Hanretty will mention withdrawals on the ISU channel without citing a reason. Sometimes they fill it in later, sometimes they don't. I still haven't seen the SP's, and I may have forgotten, but I don't remember that they explained during the FS why both men withdrew.
I think the discussion of what it's like to think that, even though you're planning to put your best out there, a week ago you thought that you were fighting for fourth or fifth to make the National Team, and suddenly you're in a position to be on the podium would have been an interesting discussion. Or, if that doesn't apply, that the entire Fall you were expected to medal, and there was a different kind of pressure, or whatever their situation was. And in Moore-Towers' case, what the pressures were once she made the partner switch.
And the discussion moved on organically from something factual. In this case, by not mentioning it, it became a thing.
I think the discussion of what it's like to think that, even though you're planning to put your best out there, a week ago you thought that you were fighting for fourth or fifth to make the National Team, and suddenly you're in a position to be on the podium would have been an interesting discussion. Or, if that doesn't apply, that the entire Fall you were expected to medal, and there was a different kind of pressure, or whatever their situation was. And in Moore-Towers' case, what the pressures were once she made the partner switch.
And the discussion moved on organically from something factual. In this case, by not mentioning it, it became a thing.
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I don't think it became a thing if no one noticed it. It only came up in this thread because someone asked if the withdrawals had been mentioned.
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I think the problem is that Skate Canada didn't have a strategy to address the issue other than to ignore it.
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The problem with Skate Canada in a nutshell?
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Just as a follow up to the discussion of the Hockey Canada case that some of us referenced earlier, there may be charges laid soon.
They had video proof of the players in question and it still took two years to get to this point.
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They had video proof of the players in question and it still took two years to get to this point.
Five members of 2018 Canadian junior hockey team to face sexual assault charges — The Globe and Mail
The players have been told to surrender to police for alleged group sexual assault of a woman in a London, Ont., hotel room following a Hockey Canada fundraising gala in 2018
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Here's the Globe and Mail story on this.Just as a follow up to the discussion of the Hockey Canada case that some of us referenced earlier, there have been sexual charges laid.
They had video proof of the players in question and it still took two years to get to this point.
Five members of 2018 Canadian junior hockey team to face sexual assault charges — The Globe and Mail
The players have been told to surrender to police for alleged group sexual assault of a woman in a London, Ont., hotel room following a Hockey Canada fundraising gala in 2018
Any names yet? I don’t have a subscription to Globe and Mail. I knew there was video evidence though.Just as a follow up to the discussion of the Hockey Canada case that some of us referenced earlier, there have been sexual charges laid.
They had video proof of the players in question and it still took two years to get to this point.
Five members of 2018 Canadian junior hockey team to face sexual assault charges — The Globe and Mail
The players have been told to surrender to police for alleged group sexual assault of a woman in a London, Ont., hotel room following a Hockey Canada fundraising gala in 2018
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No but two players went off from their NHL teams yesterday for “mental health reasons.”
So they are rumoured to be among the 5.
Well we will know soon.
At least Canada has no limitation of time reporting sexual assault.
It wasn’t even that long ago when the story first broke though either. It feels like it was a lot longer than it broke though. So less than 2 years really isn’t that huge .. yay for the victim! I don’t think they can release names until they’ve been charged though.
The governing body came under a firestorm of criticism when news broke in the spring of 2022 that a woman alleged eight players — including members of the 2018 world junior team — sexually assaulted her in a hotel room following a gala event in London on June 2018.
The governing body came under a firestorm of criticism when news broke in the spring of 2022 that a woman alleged eight players — including members of the 2018 world junior team — sexually assaulted her in a hotel room following a gala event in London on June 2018.
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I see one is from the Flyers ("personal reasons" for him). And both the same age and in the league around same amount of time. So yeah.
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The article says this happened five years ago.Just as a follow up to the discussion of the Hockey Canada case that some of us referenced earlier, there may be charges laid soon.
They had video proof of the players in question and it still took two years to get to this point.
Five members of 2018 Canadian junior hockey team to face sexual assault charges — The Globe and Mail
The players have been told to surrender to police for alleged group sexual assault of a woman in a London, Ont., hotel room following a Hockey Canada fundraising gala in 2018
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The article I read said they tried to settle everything quietly but it became a big controversy that forced authorities to reopen the case. So 2 years from reopening but not from the attack.
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From the Globe article:The article says this happened five years ago.
"More than a year ago, London police filed an application with the Ontario Court of Justice seeking approval for various investigative measures. In the 94-page document, police said they had reasonable grounds to believe that five members of the 2018 team sexually assaulted a woman in a hotel room. An initial investigation by the London police was closed without charges in February, 2019."
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Well, two NHL players have taken leave from their teams.
One player who has been in Europe was granted leave and given permission to return to Canada.
There are rumours online about who the 4th player is - someone who has never been able to crack the NHL.
One player who has been in Europe was granted leave and given permission to return to Canada.
There are rumours online about who the 4th player is - someone who has never been able to crack the NHL.
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TSN article that isn’t paywalled.
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Reported to authorities in spring 2022 but crimes committed in 2018.The article says this happened five years ago.
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And the 5th as well.
2 players didn’t show up for practice today.
4th and 5th play on the same team.
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Reported to the authorities and investigated (or ”investigated”) and closed in 2019 without bringing charges. In 2022 the victim’s lawsuit was settled, and, according to the article, there was a parliamentary hearing(s) after the settlement, and subsequent public pressure helped to cause the case to be re-opened.
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4th and 5ths team just issued a statement that they're on indefinite leave.
I guess we have our five.
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Yep gotta be.
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X Post/Tweet from Amelia Cline from Gymnasts for Change:
"The sport system needs to be burnt to the ground and rebuilt.The 2018 story is the smallest tip of the iceberg. Nothing has changed, abuse remains rampant and those who actively cover it up have not only never been held accountable but continue to hold positions of leadership"
"The sport system needs to be burnt to the ground and rebuilt.The 2018 story is the smallest tip of the iceberg. Nothing has changed, abuse remains rampant and those who actively cover it up have not only never been held accountable but continue to hold positions of leadership"
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