Josh Duggar ('19 Kids and Counting') Arrested by Feds

And truly trapped in a circle of poverty with seven kids. I doubt she has any emotional support from anyone in her family, I doubt she has access to any money to provide for herself and the kids.
 
skatfan said:
Of course in some parts of Christianity there are plenty of enablers, but those do not usually have strict policies and procedures about contact with children. And the Roman Catholic Church self-insures, which is how the abuse continues.
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The Catholic church in the U.S. requires all employees and volunteers who have contact with children to complete criminal background checks and training on signs of abuse/reporting and safe environment policies every five years minimum. The policies have been in place since 2003. As a former employee and current volunteer, I have literally completed around 18 hours of training. Here is the FAQ on the policies from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops:

www.usccb.org

FAQ

Frequently Asked Questions Background Evaluations Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People For Clergy Code of Conduct Essential Norms National...
www.usccb.org www.usccb.org
 
PDilemma said:
The Catholic church in the U.S. requires all employees and volunteers who have contact with children to complete criminal background checks and training on signs of abuse/reporting and safe environment policies every five years minimum. The policies have been in place since 2003. As a former employee and current volunteer, I have literally completed around 18 hours of training. Here is the FAQ on the policies from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops:

www.usccb.org

FAQ

Frequently Asked Questions Background Evaluations Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People For Clergy Code of Conduct Essential Norms National...
www.usccb.org www.usccb.org
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I am glad to hear it. Does that apply to all the priests too?

The fact remains that the personnel files of priests are held privately (indeed with some "secret files" that haven't been given to the authorities), and Dioceses have protected them for a long time. When the RC church fully reports abuse of priests and cooperates with all investigations, maybe then they will get credibility. Every five years is not a very frequent requirement, to be honest.

Self-insuring means that often no outside party is checking on them. For example, our church insurance company is asking for our policies and procedures to review before telling us our new premiums. Who is doing outside, independent reviews of all the Roman catholic churches?
 
skatfan said:
Self-insuring means that often no outside party is checking on them. For example, our church insurance company is asking for our policies and procedures to review before telling us our new premiums. Who is doing outside, independent reviews of all the Roman catholic churches?
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Is this insurance specifically for sexual abuse of minors? It's funny, because that's the first time I ever thought about a church taking out insurance for child sex abuse. I wonder when insurance for that became a "thing"? Certainly after my childhood I'm sure.
 
skatfan said:
I am glad to hear it. Does that apply to all the priests too?

The fact remains that the personnel files of priests are held privately (indeed with some "secret files" that haven't been given to the authorities), and Dioceses have protected them for a long time. When the RC church fully reports abuse of priests and cooperates with all investigations, maybe then they will get credibility. Every five years is not a very frequent requirement, to be honest.

Self-insuring means that often no outside party is checking on them. For example, our church insurance company is asking for our policies and procedures to review before telling us our new premiums. Who is doing outside, independent reviews of all the Roman catholic churches?
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Priests in my archdiocese do two full days of training every single year. Each parish and school has a safe environment director other than the priest to monitor it and see that all employees and volunteers are certified (you won't find this listed as a job as it is usually assigned to someone with another title. In my parish, it is typically the director of religious education; at schools it is a teacher or lower level administrator--those people also have extra training). All dioceses are also required to do an audit annually which is done by third parties. Safe Environment programs are also developed by third parties. Our diocese uses one developed at Boys Town (which is a real place...ran into someone once who thought it was just an imaginary movie place!).

And, yes, employment files are generally private. Priests are employees. They get salaries and insurance just like other employees. There was definitely an issue; I'm not denying that at all. But since 2003, the church in the U.S. has taken a lot of concrete steps to fix it. People seem to enjoy assuming they have not. The rules are followed strictly, too. To the point that it is difficult sometimes. As a teacher in a Catholic school., there were tons of things that I knew my peers in public school did regularly that we could not even think about. It is far more stringent than the public schools I have worked in. One large district near me doesn't background check any employees. They have had multiple incidents of support staff (janitors, bus drivers, etc...) fall through the cracks in the system (which are frankly canyons, not cracks) and be hired with criminal records involving children then abuse kids in schools or extracurricular activities. Meanwhile, at my parish, a volunteer was removed in the middle of the religious ed year a couple of years ago due to an arrest. Because everyone is supposed to be monitored by the designated person in each parish or school--so if they are doing their job, anyone who has an arrest or charge won't continue even if between required checks. 13 years ago, a friend asked me to help her with a summer program at her Presbyterian church. I asked if I would be able to as it was rather last minute and there wouldn't be time for me to undergo a background check or any required training for safe environment. She had no idea what I was talking about as it wasn't something they did.
 
PDilemma said:
Priests in my archdiocese do two full days of training every single year. Each parish and school has a safe environment director other than the priest to monitor it and see that all employees and volunteers are certified (you won't find this listed as a job as it is usually assigned to someone with another title. In my parish, it is typically the director of religious education; at schools it is a teacher or lower level administrator--those people also have extra training). All dioceses are also required to do an audit annually which is done by third parties. Safe Environment programs are also developed by third parties. Our diocese uses one developed at Boys Town (which is a real place...ran into someone once who thought it was just an imaginary movie place!).

And, yes, employment files are generally private. Priests are employees. They get salaries and insurance just like other employees. There was definitely an issue; I'm not denying that at all. But since 2003, the church in the U.S. has taken a lot of concrete steps to fix it. People seem to enjoy assuming they have not. The rules are followed strictly, too. To the point that it is difficult sometimes. As a teacher in a Catholic school., there were tons of things that I knew my peers in public school did regularly that we could not even think about. It is far more stringent than the public schools I have worked in. One large district near me doesn't background check any employees. They have had multiple incidents of support staff (janitors, bus drivers, etc...) fall through the cracks in the system (which are frankly canyons, not cracks) and be hired with criminal records involving children then abuse kids in schools or extracurricular activities. Meanwhile, at my parish, a volunteer was removed in the middle of the religious ed year a couple of years ago due to an arrest. Because everyone is supposed to be monitored by the designated person in each parish or school--so if they are doing their job, anyone who has an arrest or charge won't continue even if between required checks. 13 years ago, a friend asked me to help her with a summer program at her Presbyterian church. I asked if I would be able to as it was rather last minute and there wouldn't be time for me to undergo a background check or any required training for safe environment. She had no idea what I was talking about as it wasn't something they did.
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Thank you for this background. Things have come a long way!

I'm pretty shocked that a Presbyterian Church would not background check a volunteer. It's standard course in the circles I run in (and required by the insurance companies).
 
Not exactly related to JD, but I came across an interesting article about the push to stop legislation to increase the time limit to report childhood sex abuse. The two main leaders against this legislation? The Catholic Church and The Boy Scouts of America. (Also, the insurance companies are against it too...). Infuriating.

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/state-politics/copy-paste-legislate/the-catholic-church-and-boy-scouts-are-lobbying-against-child-abuse-statutes-this-is-their-playbook/
 
So Josh's child pornography trial starts later this month, and what a perfect time for Jim Bob Duggar to run for state senate!!! I just can't with this family. They have no shame. Think they are above it all because of their cultist religious beliefs. I've even thought about going over there for the trial, since my rightwing sister lives there. I can only guess whether she supports him or not. uggh.
 
Dad Dugger lost the last time he ran for elected office. Hopefully history will repeat itself. It is rather sickening to think about how he will vote on women's issues when his response to the molestation of his daughters had to do with praying about it, locking their doors to keep out the perpetrator who remained in the home, and supporting church training about the responsibilities of women who dress inappropriately and tempt men to commit illegal acts.
 
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You'd think that enabling a son who's charged with possessing some of the worst child porn in existence, and covering up said son's sexual abuse of his sisters, would be enough to ruin anyone's chances at being elected. But after the (former) US President got elected even when there was audio of him boasting about grabbing women's p**sies.....anything is possible. Unfortunately.
 
Artistic Skaters said:
Legal maneuvering by prosecution and defense regarding upcoming trial:
www.nwahomepage.com

Defense responds to prosecution’s motions on Josh Duggar’s past sexual molestation allegations

The prosecution in the Josh Duggar child pornography case filed multiple motions on November 3, asking the judge to allow them to discuss Duggar’s past sexual molestation allegations.
www.nwahomepage.com www.nwahomepage.com
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Maybe I'm missing something, and I know the defense is probably trying to throw everything they can in hopes that some of it will stick. But I don't see how Josh admitting back in 2015 that he was addicted to porn is "irrelevant" to what he's charged with now, which involves.....viewing porn.
 
Why is the sentencing not taking place until 4 months from now? I've noticed that in other trials that they get found guilty, but then sentencing is not until months later. Why is that?
 
BaileyCatts said:
Why is the sentencing not taking place until 4 months from now? I've noticed that in other trials that they get found guilty, but then sentencing is not until months later. Why is that?
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There’s no rush. He’s getting a minimum of 5 years and they took him into custody.

The whole thing is just sad and disgusting. He’s got kids (especially the one that was born just a few weeks ago) that aren’t going to know him. That’s probably a good thing. I want to see if his wife wakes up and leaves his ass. Somehow I doubt it. Unless they send him to NY or somewhere on the other side of the country, she’ll be there every visiting day.

Even if he gets the minimum sentence, those kids will be minors when he gets out. Will he have to register as a sex offender? Who wants their kids to have to deal with that?

Jim Bob and Michelle aren’t any help. Look what they subjected their own kids to, even after they knew about the abuse.

And did you guys see his new mug shot? How can someone headed to federal prison look so glib and conceited?
 
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