ISU Grand Prix Assignments 2018/19 season

[binbinwinwin]

Peng/Jin and You/Zhang qualified because at least one partner placed 1-12 at Worlds the prior season. (That's in the linked 2.2.b for 7-12. 1-6 has been left out entirely.) There has been no rule to make them eligible based on SB it WS since split couple rules were implemented. However, the 2018-19 rules may differ.

Ah you're right, but I'd guess that Li/Xie were eligible to be picked up based on Xie's past results. Maybe we will see when the new document comes out.

 

[Vagabond]

Are we sure the organisers pay the travel? I remember Loena Hendrickx turning down a GP because she couldn't afford to go...

As far as I know, the host still pays competitors' travel costs. I am not so sure about coaches' travel costs, so perhaps that was the problem. Or perhaps she was misquoted or misinformed.

But Finland got 3 host picks like everyone, right? And they chose to use only 1 of them for a Finnish TBD skater, which means they could use 2 host spots to pick non-Finnish skaters of their choosing, right?

Host picks must be used on skaters from the host nation. Unless there has been an unannounced change in the rules, unused host picks open the door to skaters from other countries, who must be elligible to compete on the Grand Prix. This means that Finland couldn't invite Larkyn Austman, for example, because she's not in the Top 75 on the Season's Best list.

 

[Meoima]

Uh... Where did you get this info? I mean, is there some reliable source, or was there just somebody on twitter speculating about Yuzu's future assignments at some point and people then treating that as a hard fact?

CoC if not cancelled would be right before NHK.

It is easy to image that JSF does not want their 2 time OGM to do Back to back Gp in a week don’t you think?

Now, let’s assume they wanted Yuzuru at CoC, do you think they would want Yuzuru to do GP in an Asia country that is NOT Japan? Like sending him to China, but not in Japan? You think Japanese fans will be ok with that?

If you believe Yuzuru originally at CoC... ok... if Chinese fed did not give up CoC, it is rational for the Japanese to send their most valuable skater to China and ignore their own home ice. Great logic.

And Vagabond is right. Host picks are for the host country.

 

[SamuraiK]

The Finnish is counting money already, they made ISU assigning both Hanyu and Zagitova to them...
https://twitter.com/echotpe/status/1012564563122839553
Especially Hanyu... tickets will be sold out.

I meant an opportunity wasted for the finnish ladies not for the fed's accounts.

 

[Meoima]

I meant an opportunity wasted for the finnish ladies not for the fed's accounts.

I know... to clarify myself, it was a joke that “The Finnish is counting money”. I think even if the event does not sell much tickets they would still ask for the top contenders. They want some great experience for their event.

 

[rfisher]

I know... to clarify myself, it was a joke that “The Finnish is counting money”. I think even if the event does not sell much tickets they would still ask for the top contenders. They want some great experience for their event.

Um, Finlandia, is usually well attended and attracts the skaters who are at their GP Event. And Finland is still planning o doing both events.

 

[Meoima]

Um, Finlandia, is usually well attended and attracts the skaters who are at their GP Event. And Finland is still planning o doing both events.

I know that. My point was having a new GP there is logic that they want biggest names in their Gp.

 

[I Luv Bulldogs]

Not excited at all by SA's roster. Gonna really think about selling my tickets.

 

[Seerek]

The Danish Ice Dance team thats now gonna skate for Canada....(?) They werent allowed any spots on the GP?

This might have been discussed in the dedicated thread on Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen switching to Canada, but they will get to keep their World Standing/Ranking points earned from 2016-17 and 2017-18, correct (i.e. Laurence/Nik won't have to start from zero)?

 

[Dobre]

This might have been discussed in the dedicated thread on Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen switching to Canada, but they will get to keep their World Standing/Ranking points earned from 2016-17 and 2017-18, correct (i.e. Laurence/Nik won't have to start from zero)?

They are off the World Standing list.
http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsdance.htm

Apparently starting from zero.

 

[all_empty]

Thrilled for the Japanese ladies -- the depth in that nation is incredible.

Higuchi has a chance to really dominate. I'm curious who they're keeping the TBD spot at home for (media darling Marin Honda already has two assignments). I assume Rika Kihira?

I like Yura Matsuda. She has nice musical interpretation and those loop combos are astounding.

Bummer for the Korean ladies. Injuries really have derailed the careers of SoYun Park and Nahyun Kim. I hope Eunsoo can get another assignment.

Interesting about the junior bottleneck in Russia. Those who land the JGP assignments and championship berths get set up for the GP, but if you debut a season too early (Fedichkina, Gubanova) you're out of luck.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Luckily, though FB/S are listed under CAN on the TES minimums list, which, hopefully, wasn't an oversight on the ISU's part. Otherwise, they wouldn't be eligible to compete at 2019 4C's, since they last competed for DEN on 20 January, and they need to earn minimums 21 days before a championship. Technically, they'd have enough days, but they'd have to earn TES the same week as 4C's, if they didn't carry over.

 

[nuge]

I thought I read somewhere Nick and Penny were continuing but missing the GP to give Penny's knee time to really heal.Or am I dreaming ?

 

[barbarafan]

This might have been discussed in the dedicated thread on Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen switching to Canada, but they will get to keep their World Standing/Ranking points earned from 2016-17 and 2017-18, correct (i.e. Laurence/Nik won't have to start from zero)?

They cannot compete for Canada until a year has past since their last international for Denmark which I believe was Europeans. They can compete at domestic competitions and nationals in Canada and their year will be up before worlds. Denmark released them right away so only the ISU 1 yr rule is in play.

 

[Dobre]

I thought I read somewhere Nick and Penny were continuing but missing the GP to give Penny's knee time to really heal.Or am I dreaming ?

I think they said they were missing Worlds last year to give Penny's knee time to heal. I haven't heard the same about the GP. Based on posters' comments here, shortly after the Olympics they implied they would continue; but I do think you have to take those post-Olympic interviews with a grain of salt. People need time to process. Coomes & Buckland can come back any time they want, but they've been to three Olympics and dealt with a major injury. On GS, a poster said they were back in England (I think one of the same posters that said Mansourova & Ceska were split so, really, take that info with a grain of salt). Anyway, C&B have said nothing about retirement. As far as I know, they've also said nothing about new programs, choreography, or training.

 

[Sylvia]

Thanks to @cgirl8 for posting the following in the "Pairs Discussion Thread 2018-19":

]This explains why Marchei/Hotarek are missing from the Grand Prix assignments: https://twitter.com/valemarchei14/status/1012758369000738816
"We couldn't have imagined that we would have gotten so far 4 years ago. Since July 2014 we have lived tough moments, but full of satisdactions for us and for in incredible bunch of people that surrounded ourselves. Really unique moments.
Now, it is time to take a break, breath a little, and this is the reason why we decided to not participate in the Grand Prix this year. We continue to train everyday with the passion and all the efforts that have distinguished us, keeping the doors open to new adventures. See y'all soon. It is a promise."

Also posted on her IG: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bknh8MmgRIu/?taken-by=valemarchei14

 

[mysticchic]

They cannot compete for Canada until a year has past since their last international for Denmark which I believe was Europeans. They can compete at domestic competitions and nationals in Canada and their year will be up before worlds. Denmark released them right away so only the ISU 1 yr rule is in play.

I think they would be able to do 4CCs right? It's a week after euros.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I think they would be able to do 4CCs right? It's a week after euros.

If it's not an oversight that the ISU hasn't dropped them from the TES minimums list. They're currently listed for CAN with scores they earned last year representing Denmark.

They have to earn them 21 days before the start of championships, which is the same week as 4C's. I don't think they can squeak them in in time if they can't carry them over, because comps are at the end of the week.

 

[barbarafan]

I think they would be able to do 4CCs right? It's a week after euros.

I think so. They worked everything out b4 they made the decisions as to what to skip this season to be ok for next yr.
It is in one of the other threads....There is a thread somewhere about them deciding to switch countries after Denmark was not able in any way shape or form to offer her citizenship.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

No Anna P.? As she is better skater than Elena Rad she must must still be having back problems.

 

[barbarafan]

If it's not an oversight that the ISU hasn't dropped them from the TES minimums list. They're currently listed for CAN with scores they earned last year representing Denmark.

They have to earn them 21 days before the start of championships, which is the same week as 4C's. I don't think they can squeak them in in time if they can't carry them over, because comps are at the end of the week.

They can compete for Canada as of Jan 20 2019 so can do 4cc if named after nationals.

 

[Sylvia]

No Anna P.? As she is better skater than Elena Rad she must must still be having back problems.

@SkateFanBerlin, it's more about last season's ISU Season Best total scores ranking than "better skater" - 19 Russian ladies are listed ahead of Pogorilaya (who skated injured at 2017 Skate Canada):

1 239.57 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS XXIII Olympic Winter Games 2018 - 2 GP
2 238.26 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS XXIII Olympic Winter Games 2018 - 2 GP
4 225.52 Alexandra TRUSOVA RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2018 = too young/back to JGP
7 216.28 Maria SOTSKOVA RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2017/18 - 2 GP
11 210.19 Polina TSURSKAYA RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017 - 2 GP
12 207.39 Alena KOSTORNAIA RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2018 - too young/back to JGP
13 206.82 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017 - 2 GP
16 199.68 Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA RUS ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2017 - 2 GP
17 199.64 Anastasia TARAKANOVA RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2017/18 - too young/back to JGP
21 196.68 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017 - 2 GP
22 196.55 Daria PANENKOVA RUS ISU JGP Baltic Cup 2017 - 2 GP
29 192.19 Sofia SAMODUROVA RUS ISU JGP Egna Neumarkt 2017 - 1 GP
(18 spots maximum assigned including the TBD at Rostelecom Cup.)

30 190.95 Alena LEONOVA RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017
32 189.75 Serafima SAKHANOVICH RUS ISU GP Skate America 2017
36 185.09 Valeriia MIKHAILOVA RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017
42 181.43 Anastasiia GULIAKOVA RUS ISU JGP Brisbane 2017 (now 15 so ISU Sr. age-eligible)
44 180.33 Alisa FEDICHKINA RUS ISU CS Tallinn Trophy 2017
65 162.59 Anastasia GRACHEVA RUS ISU CS Minsk Arena Ice Star 2017
71 160.75 Anastasiia GUBANOVA RUS ISU JGP Cup of Austria 2017 (now 15 so ISU Sr. age-eligible)
77 156.89 Anna POGORILAYA RUS ISU GP Skate Canada International 2017

 

[her grace]

No Anna P.? As she is better skater than Elena Rad she must must still be having back problems.

Also Pogorilaya was not eligible to be selected for anything other than a RUS host pick because she's out of the top 75 SB list and did not otherwise earn a spot via the WS list or at the World Championships.

 

[SamuraiK]

No Anna P.? As she is better skater than Elena Rad she must must still be having back problems.

Anna didnt have the scores or standing points last season to qualify for an assignment and she can not use the comeback rule so host pick was always her only hope.

 

[Coco]

Anna P. could still get the host pick spot for Rostelcom Cup.

 

[kwanfan1818]

They can compete for Canada as of Jan 20 2019 so can do 4cc if named after nationals.

Yes, but they must earn the TES minimums for championships 21 days before 4C's. If the ISU is allowing them to carryover their minimums, ie, if the ISU didn't forget to take them off of the minimums list, then they're golden. 21 days back from 7 February, the start of 4C's, is 17 January. (I thought they had another half week, but I double-counted a week going back a month.)

The ISU removed them from the WS list. (They never removed anyone from the SB list, regardless of whether the placement there can be used.) They did not remove them from the TES minimums list, which is either deliberate, or an oversight. If deliberate, FB/S are fine for 4C's, based on scores they earned competing for Denmark. If they forgot to remove them from the minimums list, they are out of 4C's without an exception to either compete earlier to earn the minimums, or to be able to earn them closer to the start of 4C's.

 

[barbarafan]

Yes, but they must earn the TES minimums for championships 21 days before 4C's. If the ISU is allowing them to carryover their minimums, ie, if the ISU didn't forget to take them off of the minimums list, then they're golden. 21 days back from 7 February, the start of 4C's, is 17 January. (I thought they had another half week, but I double-counted a week going back a month.)

The ISU removed them from the WS list. (They never removed anyone from the SB list, regardless of whether the placement there can be used.) They did not remove them from the TES minimums list, which is either deliberate, or an oversight. If deliberate, FB/S are fine for 4C's, based on scores they earned competing for Denmark. If they forgot to remove them from the minimums list, they are out of 4C's without an exception to either compete earlier to earn the minimums, or to be able to earn them closer to the start of 4C's.

I still am at a loss to understand why a team would lose their mins by changing countries. I do not see the logic.

 

[Jeschke]

I need Tsareva back on GP circuit! All I gonna say!

 

[Vagabond]

I still am at a loss to understand why a team would lose their mins by changing countries. I do not see the logic.

The ISU does not want to make it easy for one federation to raid another country's skaters, particularly when that would mean wiping out or drastically reducing the other country's team, which is essentially what happened to Denmark, however willing the Danish Federation may have been to let its skaters switch.

The ISU removed them from the WS list. (They never removed anyone from the SB list, regardless of whether the placement there can be used.) They did not remove them from the TES minimums list, which is either deliberate, or an oversight. If deliberate, FB/S are fine for 4C's, based on scores they earned competing for Denmark. If they forgot to remove them from the minimums list, they are out of 4C's without an exception to either compete earlier to earn the minimums, or to be able to earn them closer to the start of 4C's.

I would be interested in knowing the ISU's purpose here.

If the goal is to deter changing federations by forcing highly ranked skaters to skate in earlier groups, then wiping out the WS points should be enough. If the goal is something else, then wiping out the TES minimums seems to be a rough instrument because its effects would vary depending on the date of the skater's last competition before making the switch.

 

[mysticchic]

What no Pogo? Who is going to fall 5 times in a program?

I know that in the US, there was a new dance team that had an international and they made a dance comp at Skate Detroit so they could try for the min before the event. They got the min and won the event..