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it just seems like bad planning - if you're going to build a rink, build a decent sized one, once. but i guess that's israel (and I am saying that fondly)Hm, did you see "Ice Peaks"?
it just seems like bad planning - if you're going to build a rink, build a decent sized one, once. but i guess that's israel (and I am saying that fondly)Hm, did you see "Ice Peaks"?
it just seems like bad planning - if you're going to build a rink, build a decent sized one, once. but i guess that's israel (and I am saying that fondly)
Oh, I don't know. Maybe I made that up in my head. But the residency rule - I was wondering about Bychenko and that one.
b'hatzlacha (good luck)They couldn't build "decent sized" rink back then, there were a lot of issues with land lease, etc. So it was this rink or no rink at that time. And so far at least we have something, and we have Israeli Nationals, and we have children who learn skating. And this rink will continue to be used as a secondary rink, especially if they plan to hold international competitions at the big rink (and they do plan that).
b'hatzlacha (good luck)
I can think of non-Jewish athletes who obtained Israeli citizenship, such as Derrick Sharp, Hanna Knyazyeva-Minenko and Donald Sanford. But they all had a much stronger connection to Israel than either Tobias or Tkachenko. Knyazyeva-Minenko may have converted to Judaism; I'm not sure. She is definitely fluent Hebrew, and the only senior Israeli skater who can say the same is Krasnopolski (plus Tsoglin and Ichilov in juniors).Never heard that we have the rule about number of years, because Bychenko spent here maybe a month and a half overall, if you count all his visits. Tkachenko's wife is Israeli? Since when? If she indeed had any Jewish heritage and was able to obtain Israeli citizenship, then maybe for non-Jewish spouses the rules are indeed different and require residency. I wonder what they were hoping for though. I don't think there were exceptions made for sportsmen ever (for basketball/football?), nobody here really cares about sports.
I’m pretty sure zilberberg is a sabra?She is definitely fluent Hebrew, and the only senior Israeli skater who can say the same is Krasnopolski (plus Tsoglin and Ichilov in juniors).
Having Israel in team event is one of the biggest papaBorya's dreams. Why would they do that to him when Israel is so close to obtain that?Part of me hopes that T/T are sitting out the GP series to give other countries a shot to qualify for the Olympic team event.
Zilberberg is an Israeli to begin with, Tankova is not good/rich enough to represent Israel without.Do Tankova/Zilberberg definitely have their citizenship sorted?
Because they don't work for papaBoria and have their own dreams and goals?Having Israel in team event is one of the biggest papaBorya's dreams. Why would they do that to him when Israel is so close to obtain that?
Because they don't work for papaBoria and have their own dreams and goals?
Zilberberg is an Israeli to begin with, Tankova is not good/rich enough to represent Israel without.
The residency thing would apply if Tkachenko was attempting to be an israeli through marriage. That didn't work at the time for Serov,.who married Rachel Lior, so am not sure why Tobias thought it would for Tkachenko...
Retiring and not killing themseleves? Dunno, getting married (Tobias), having children.. that kind of stuff? Tkachenko had already retired once, why not again, if the Olympics are not an option?For example? You really think they plan to sit out this season to try with yet another country once again?
Tobias? Seriously? PapaBoria might have helped them with the paperwork and might have done all he could for Tkachenko's citizenship (and I truly believe he indeed did), but I fail to see how would papaBoria pay Tobias a salary .Hm. Also, I'm pretty sure papaBorya helped them quite a lot, so it would be "normal" to pay back, this is what decent human beings do. Saying that any top Israeli skater "is not working for papaBorya" won't be completely true, you know.
I would guess that's where Tkachenko's citizenship failed. The same as Serov's at the time.If you're not Jewish, getting residency through a Jewish spouse is tough. Politically, the rabbis control the citizenship process-- I'm about to go see them myself - and intermarriage is not their favorite thing.
There are only three countries in the race for two spots (point totals from Wikipedia, after IdF)Part of me hopes that T/T are sitting out the GP series to give other countries a shot to qualify for the Olympic team event.
Tobias? Seriously? PapaBoria might have helped them with the paperwork and might have done all he could for Tkachenko's citizenship (and I truly believe he indeed did), but I fail to see how would papaBoria pay Tobias a salary .
I'd think working for === getting paid, otherwise it's called volunteering."Working for" != "getting paid". So you basically answered your question yourself.
No. I have no idea till when they were training or perhaps still do. AFAIK you have their emails - why not ask?So you say it was like this: till the very beginning of their first GP event
I'd think working for === getting paid, otherwise it's called volunteering.
No. I have no idea till when they were training or perhaps still do. AFAIK you have their emails - why not ask?
Which they did. Got Israel an Olympic spot. What more?Well, no. What I meant: papaBorya helped them a lot, decent human being will help back in such situation.
Quite honestly, I don’t know what they plan, but his age suggests that he is getting towards the end of his career. There are not many dancers who are over 30. With Riazanova he was 6th, 5th, 4th and 5th at the Europeans and 9th and 11th at worlds. Leaving her and pairing up with Tobias and then placing 10th and 4th at the Europeans and 12th and 12th at worlds - it is pretty clear that he had better results with Riazanova. So the only motivation I can see he would have to leave the better partner and pair up with much worse partner would be to make sure he is on the team to Olympics. And that was now taken from him. his future plan depends how much he feels he has the motivation abd stamina for the next four years, and whether they can find any way to ensure that he will have the citizenship for the next Olympics.For example? You really think they plan to sit out this season to try with yet another country once again? Hm. Also, I'm pretty sure papaBorya helped them quite a lot, so it would be "normal" to pay back, this is what decent human beings do. Saying that any top Israeli skater "is not working for papaBorya" won't be completely true, you know.