IF all ladies skated cleanly in Calgary '88 ....

[LarrySK8]

Very difficult with the magical "IF" - just to add in a little something - Anna Kondrashova had 5 triples with her 3 L just like Debi and is refined and beautiful. Ummmm - so did Ivanova, who also tried a 3lutz. Claudia had 4 different triples and could perform 6 in her LP, a la 1987 Europeans.

IF all skated cleanly - it appears to come down to artistic merit, and that could play out in many different ways based on who you support.

 

[olympic]

If Debi had skated the exact LP that she skated at U.S. Nationals she would have won and that was without one of the 3 sals.

Agreed. She hit the 3-3 and 3L. Based on the judging as it was that content might have wedged her between Manley and Witt which is what she needed to win

 

[VGThuy]

Sometimes, I think skaters make the judges’ jobs easy because if close fields were ever totally clean, there would be more and even more attention paid to the competency of judging.

 

[bardtoob]

On her best day, Debi had the 3toe, salchow, and loop. Which triple would have been her fourth? I never heard any talk of her having a 3flip or 3lutz.

So the story goes ...

There is an interview with The Manleywoman Skatecast where Debi said of her free skate, she and her coach had marked a spot for the triple flip in the early section of her routine. Not that it was ever included in major events, but she had landed it in a small competition that season in the short program. So in fact, Debi could have attempted six triple jumps if she needed.

 

[bardtoob]

Kira Ivanova was 1st after figures, and if she skated cleanly she could have done a lot of damage. Kira actually did attempt a 3Lz and 3Lp in Calgary. She had stalked a 3Lp for years in major competitons, sometimes just circling and circling and circling . . .

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

In a perfect world:

1. Trenary
2. Thomas
3. Ito
4. Canadian
5. Witt

Yikes. I love how Manley isn't even acknowledged with her surname. Tell us how you really feel about Liz.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

If Debi had skated the exact LP that she skated at U.S. Nationals she would have won and that was without one of the 3 sals.

Debi was fantastic at Skate Canada in 1987 and the 1988 US Nationals.

Back then, without the political clout of a National title to back you up, Cadavy's fate in Calgary was pretty much sealed by her shaky third place finish in Denver.

It's quite ironic that out of the top five, she ended up having the longest and strongest professional career.

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

Yikes. I love how Manley isn't even acknowledged with her surname. Tell us how you really feel about Liz.

I was referring to Charlene Wong,dear.

-BB

 

[Aerobicidal]

I was referring to Charlene Wong,dear.

-BB

This reminds me of one of the many reasons I'm glad Loupolover now represents Bulgaria. For years, or at least a year, I was so irritated by "the guy from Azerbaijan" referring to Livnitsev. Justice for Larry.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

This reminds me of one of the many reasons I'm glad Loupolover now represents Bulgaria. For years, or at least a year, I was so irritated by "the guy from Azerbaijan" referring to Livnitsev. Justice for Larry.

His name makes me giggle. Larry Loupolover sounds like he should be a lounge singer from Reno.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

I was referring to Charlene Wong,dear.

-BB

Well, at least I was in the ballpark, somewhat. Wong and Manley were both coached by Peter and Sonya Dunfield.

 

[Bellanca]

Witt would have still won if all the ladies had clean programs. Now, if she had faltered, Thomas.

ETA: (skating) politics. For Witt to win consecutive gold medals, that was too appealing not to acknowledge. The judges knew this also.

 

[Marco]

Under IJS, Ito's 2loop3loop combo in the short would be given the same technial merit as a 3loop2loop that Kadavy did, very unfair. Incidentally she did have quite a lot of IJS elements in her short program and free skate - the difficult spins, the backloading, the transitions, the arm positions for the jumps etc.

 

[olympic]

I was referring to Charlene Wong,dear.

-BB

Love it. You must be the FSU resident DQ!

 

[Maximillian]

Under IJS, Ito's 2loop3loop combo in the short would be given the same technial merit as a 3loop2loop that Kadavy did, very unfair. Incidentally she did have quite a lot of IJS elements in her short program and free skate - the difficult spins, the backloading, the transitions, the arm positions for the jumps etc.

Loved Ito's back outside counter (IIRC) entrance into the 2A in both the SP and LP.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Loved Ito's back outside counter (IIRC) entrance into the 2A in both the SP and LP.

I was also amazed by Ito putting both arms down by her waist as well. Talk about a +5 bonus!

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Claudia Leistner's free skate and its 700 different music cuts is kind of trashy and fabulous at the same time. Even with her roller skating technique transferred to ice, she really went for it in Calgary.

Claudia Leistner (FRG) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Claudia Leistner of West Germany moved up from 7th to 6th Place overall.

www.youtube.com

Anna Kondrashova's long program set to 'Steinway Being Pushed Down Ten Flights Of Stairs - In A Flat' really grew on me as well.

Anna Kondrashova (URS) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Anna Kondrashova of the Soviet Union finished in 8th Place overall.

www.youtube.com

I do miss the supermodel era of ladies' skating.

 

[Maximillian]

Claudia Leistner's free skate and its 700 different music cuts is kind of trashy and fabulous at the same time. Even with her roller skating technique transferred to ice, she really went for it in Calgary.

Claudia Leistner (FRG) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Claudia Leistner of West Germany moved up from 7th to 6th Place overall.

www.youtube.com

Anna Kondrashova's long program set to 'Steinway Being Pushed Down Ten Flights Of Stairs - In A Flat' really grew on me as well.

Anna Kondrashova (URS) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Anna Kondrashova of the Soviet Union finished in 8th Place overall.

www.youtube.com

I do miss the supermodel era of ladies' skating.

Okay, just have to say that I recorded ABC's coverage of the Ladies FS from Calgary and watched it over and over again as a kid. In retrospect, outside of Ito and Manley it was a pretty horrible evening of skating (Thomas, Ivanova, were notably off that night), and my fave Jill Trenary was pretty underwhelming so I'm not sure why I felt the need to watch it over and over.

Kondrashova did have lovely port de bras, too bad she couldn't land the majority of her jumps. Really, most of the ladies that evening look like they overestimated their capabilities when it came to jump content.

Also, to be fair to Leistner, it was her West German teammate, @Jeschke's all time fave, Marina Kielmann who had the rollerskating pedigree.

 

[jenny12]

While I didn’t like Witt’s posing section, I loved Kondrashova’s dance break in the middle of her program which I know is probably hypocritical since it was basically the same thing. Those isolations though!

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Okay, just have to say that I recorded ABC's coverage of the Ladies FS from Calgary and watched it over and over again as a kid. In retrospect, outside of Ito and Manley it was a pretty horrible evening of skating (Thomas, Ivanova, were notably off that night), and my fave Jill Trenary was pretty underwhelming so I'm not sure why I felt the need to watch it over and over.

Kondrashova did have lovely port de bras, too bad she couldn't land the majority of her jumps. Really, most of the ladies that evening look like they overestimated their capabilities when it came to jump content.

Also, to be fair to Leistner, it was her West German teammate, @Jeschke's all time fave, Marina Kielmann who had the rollerskating pedigree.

I'll need to dig up my copy of Sandra Stephenson's BBC Book of Skating, but according to Wikipedia, Claudia was in fact a roller skater before she switched to the ice. Her team mate in 1984, Manuela Ruben, was also a former roller skater.

Claudia Leistner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I love that Marina competed in both sports at once, and I believe one year she placed second at the world roller skating championships.

It makes me wonder why more Italians (apart from Matteo Guarise), who dominate roller skating, don't switch.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

While I didn’t like Witt’s posing section, I loved Kondrashova’s dance break in the middle of her program which I know is probably hypocritical since it was basically the same thing. Those isolations though!

Anna reminds me of the amazing Stephanie Rosenthal who stole the 2006 US Championships right out from under Sasha Cohen.

STEPHANIE ROSENTHAL, 06 HQ

AT THE NATIONALS 06.

www.youtube.com

 

[Maximillian]

Anna reminds me of the amazing Stephanie Rosenthal who stole the 2006 US Championships right out from under Sasha Cohen.

STEPHANIE ROSENTHAL, 06 HQ

AT THE NATIONALS 06.

www.youtube.com

Hey, let's not get carried away, now...nobody steals anything from Sasha! She might have two footed and fallen at least once in pretty much every major LP she skated, but she was always the star!

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Hey, let's not get carried away, now...nobody steals anything from Sasha! She might have two footed and fallen at least once in pretty much every major LP she skated, but she was always the star!

God help her if she did, or was in the same warm-up group as La Cohen. Stephanie may have 'accidentally' tripped or found herself 'Hubert-ed'.

 

[tony]

Those mid-program dance breaks were all the rage and Kerrigan even continued it into the early 90s.

I think this one might be the winner:

Kira Ivanova (URS) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Kira Ivanova of the Soviet Union placed 9th in the Long Program, which dropped her from ...

www.youtube.com

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Those mid-program dance breaks were all the rage and Kerrigan even continued it into the early 90s.

I think this one might be the winner:

Kira Ivanova (URS) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Kira Ivanova of the Soviet Union placed 9th in the Long Program, which dropped her from ...

www.youtube.com

Kira always skated very engaging exhibition programs. This one is a particular favourite of mine, which she also used to entertain audiences during a Soviet tour of Australia in 1984.

Kira Ivanova 1984 Olympics Exh

www.youtube.com

 

[allezfred]

Those mid-program dance breaks were all the rage and Kerrigan even continued it into the early 90s.

I think this one might be the winner:

Kira Ivanova (URS) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Kira Ivanova of the Soviet Union placed 9th in the Long Program, which dropped her from ...

www.youtube.com

I prefer Anna Kondrashova’s from that Olympics.

Anna Kondrashova (URS) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Anna Kondrashova of the Soviet Union finished in 8th Place overall.

youtu.be

 

[tony]

I prefer Anna Kondrashova’s from that Olympics.

Anna Kondrashova (URS) - 1988 Calgary, Ladies' Long Program

Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Games, Ladies' Long Program - Anna Kondrashova of the Soviet Union finished in 8th Place overall.

youtu.be

I actually really love that program and Liashenko more or less seemed to do a tribute to it with her 2002 long - same dress color, too. It was one of the more complete/not-so-random programs of the 80s, those isolation moves aside

 

[bardtoob]

I don't know why Uncle Dick and Peggy gushed over Kondrashova but then failed to mention that she appears to land a 3Lp.

 

[VGThuy]

I feel like seeing Ivanova’s dance break was like seeing a prototype for Baiul’s pose breaks and Plushenko’s entire competitive choreography blueprint.

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

I find Miss Kerrigan's posing graceful and refined,but the dance breaks of the Russians significantly more crude and contrived.

Kira always skated very engaging exhibition programs. This one is a particular favourite of mine, which she also used to entertain audiences during a Soviet tour of Australia in 1984.

Kira Ivanova 1984 Olympics Exh

www.youtube.com

This number is so engaging,I shall remain celibate the rest of the month.

-BB