I Have Got to Stay Out of Sephora (and other glamourpuss issues)

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With so many makeup ads describing the problems, flaws, lines outright or implying them -- ex: "for even skin tone" implies that the skin tone is uneven, and forget about showing any sign of age, an inherent flaw -- and when the sales message is "problem, problem, problem," it's no wonder that some people think that what's under makeup must be a mess.
 
oleada said:
Thank you for the link, IceAlisa!
So when you tightline - do you also apply top eyeliner, or bottom liner or both and mascara? Just curious, I've never done it before.
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I still do at times. I will usually do a thin line of eyeliner on the top lid or I'll just add mascara. You don't have to though. You can just apply your mascara if you want. Experiment to see what look you like the most.

I use Urban Decay perversion, Bobbi Brown's perfectly defined gel eyeliner, long wear eye pencil and Laura Mercier's tightlining cake powders. I have used both pencil and a push brush/square eye liner brush method of tightlining. I would recommend the Laura Mercier flat eye liner, Makeup For Ever 236 definer eyeliner brush, MAC 212 flat definer brush, and Sigma E15. Also, I like using the flat liner brushes as lip brushes.

@myhoneyhoney - in the video description, the person is usually Clarins 3 dot liner. I have not tried this liner, but I've read some good reviews. I like Clarin's products.
 
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kwanfan1818 said:
With so many makeup ads describing the problems, flaws, lines outright or implying them -- ex: "for even skin tone" implies that the skin tone is uneven, and forget about showing any sign of age, an inherent flaw -- and when the sales message is "problem, problem, problem," it's no wonder that some people think that what's under makeup must be a mess.
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I'm not understanding your post, really.

Are you saying that makeup ads are making women think that their imperfections are wrong and should be corrected?

Clean skin will be always be envied and looked upon as desireable. So in your mind hyperpigmentation, acne scars and dark spots are not problems that women/men should want to cover or improve?
 
I *think*my hair is wavy, but it's really more like...poofy. It's thick, there' s a lot of it, there's a lot of volume. I feel it gets to a certain length and then it just grows out rather than lengthwise. I was BFFs with my straightener, but it was killing it. So Keratin treatments it is, and it makes it a lot more manageable.
 
topaz said:
I'm not understanding your post, really.

Are you saying that makeup ads are making women think that their imperfections are wrong and should be corrected?

Clean skin will be always be envied and looked upon as desireable. So in your mind hyperpigmentation, acne scars and dark spots are not problems that women/men should want to cover or improve?
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To answer your first question, of course: convincing women that their imperfections are wrong is the point of selling a solution, and selling things -- products, ideas, solutions -- is the point of advertising, whether commercial or PSA's. Is there any doubt about this?

Overall I was responding to the conversation upthread sparked by IceAlisa's comment:

IceAlisa said:
I am wondering why there is an implication that those who wear make up are covering up bad skin.
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My point is that since advertising drums in the message that it's needed to fix problems, it's no wonder that (at least some) people assume that if a woman wears makeup -- for men, visible makeup is still considered a statement -- she must be covering up a problem. If applied well, there's no way to prove or disprove what's underneath.
 
the advertisements say a lot of things that arent possible unless there is a tiny surgeon in the bottle. i dont ever pay attention to them. in my hierarchy of problems, my skin doesnt crack the top 20. i dont feel like im covering anything but accentuating, eyes and lips specifically. however no shade to anyone covering scars, hyperpigmentation etc. but even then, i think there is a combination of covering and accentuating going on.
 
@kwanfan1818 the quality and health of my skin are a big priority trumping make up. I am very happy with it. My efforts starting when I was a teen paid off. I continue maintaining my skin daily. So I wear extremely light coverage that delivers moisture, a tiny hint of color because I stay away from the sun but like the sun-kissed look, and SPF.

Problems that you mentioned can be corrected with modern cosmetic dermatology. Laser mostly, I think.

And it never occurred to me to listen to the ads. I listen to my cosmetic dermatologist and to the Glamour Pusses on this very thread.
 
Are people on the Glamour Puss threads assuming that because you wear make-up, you must have bad skin underneath? That would be hard to imagine.
 
You asked the question about why people would think that people who use make-up had bad skin. I gave my answer: there's a ubiquitous multi-billion dollar-backed message out there that says, "Woman have skin problems, and makeup is the answer." (The Dr. Zizmor-like ads for cosmetic dermatology and their more sophisticated ilk are a drop in the bucket by comparison.)

People are going to think what they want.
 
Kwan1818, okay.


Well as a woman of color, advertiser's claims, I don't pay much attention too. I'll never have a porcelain complexion.
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kwanfan1818 said:
You asked the question about why people would think that people who use make-up had bad skin. I gave my answer: there's a ubiquitous multi-billion dollar-backed message out there that says, "Woman have skin problems, and makeup is the answer." (The Dr. Zizmor-like ads for cosmetic dermatology and their more sophisticated ilk are a drop in the bucket by comparison.)
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I disagree. I don't even recall seeing ads for makeup specifically to cover up acne, scars, etc. I do recall all kinds of ads for devices, procedures and skin preparations to alleviate them. What you are thinking is very old school. These days it's all about perfect, clear and smooth skin.
 
quartz said:
Yay for wavy hair! I am having more compliments on my beachy wave type hair this summer. I think this is the first time in my life I am actually in style, at the time of the said style! :shuffle:
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Ha. I do what I can to get my tighter curls to do the beachy wave thing, but it means so much product I'm afraid I'm going to go up in flames when I light a cigarette. :P
 
I've said it plain and simple three times already:

Q. (IceAlisa's, not mine): Why do people assume that if you wear make-up, you have bad skin?

A. Because there's a ubiquitous advertising message that women have problems with their skin, and make-up is the answer. (Some) people erroneously conclude that all women must have problems with their skin if they wear make-up.

This is an erroneous conclusion, but it's not mine. Women wear make-up for all kinds of reasons, and they should be able to wear it for whatever freaking reason they want. What other people conclude is their bad.

IceAlisa said:
These days it's all about perfect, clear and smooth skin.
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Which means you must not have perfect, clear, and smooth skin if you need it. Therefore, you must have a problem to fix.
 
My 2 cents, I don't know anyone with perfect skin on any part of their bodies over the age 15 years of age. Also, what you make up are referring to appears to be foundation/base. There are other cosmetic products that having nothing to do with covering imperfections that advertiser's mention.

And what I believe IceAlisa was referring to is the trend of some people who like full coverage makeup. In my opinion, social media and drag queens are the most important forces in determining make up trends right now. For example, instragram brows which I do not like ARE EVERYWHERE.
 
topaz said:
My 2 cents, I don't know anyone with perfect skin on any part of their bodies over the age 15 years of age. Also, what you make up are referring to appears to be foundation/base. There are other cosmetic products that having nothing to do with covering imperfections that advertiser's mention.

And what I believe IceAlisa was referring to is the trend of some people who like full coverage makeup. In my opinion, social media and drag queens are the most important forces in determining make up trends right now. For example, instragram brows which I do not like ARE EVERYWHERE.
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Here's what I need per youtube "gurus" and the Sephora salespeople: Primer for face, eyes, and lips (three products). Something white to create highlights for face, and something dark to contour. Then I need some serum such, which probably goes first. Then I need to use concealer. Smoosh it all together, now foundation. Blusher. Bronzer. Setting powder and some spray stuff to hold it. Now, some eyeliner. Eyeshadow, about 5 different kinds. More white stuff for highlights. Now false eyelashes. Eyelash primer and mascara. Get a pencil and draw on eyebrows. Brush eyebrows. Don't stop until you look like the nemesis baby on the Simpsons. Now brow gel. Oh, forgot lip balm, then primer. Pencil. Lipstick. More pencil. Close eyes, spray more stuff. Done. Too bad I contoured my nose like Bizarro Superman. Yes, I would call that drag. It's not really meant for everyday.
 
topaz said:
My 2 cents, I don't know anyone with perfect skin on any part of their bodies over the age 15 years of age. Also, what you make up are referring to appears to be foundation/base. There are other cosmetic products that having nothing to do with covering imperfections that advertiser's mention.

And what I believe IceAlisa was referring to is the trend of some people who like full coverage makeup. In my opinion, social media and drag queens are the most important forces in determining make up trends right now. For example, instragram brows which I do not like ARE EVERYWHERE.
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Are those the Cara Delevigne or whatever her name is brows? They look like caterpillars.

And the only time I use makeup to cover "bad skin" is medicated concealer for pimples, which thank god are very rare nowadays. Foundation evens out tone and covers dark spots but since I wear shear foundation, my skin is still visible. I'm with mlp, for me makeup (mostly eye makeup) is to accentuate the positive. It's why I wear neutral lipstick and very natural blush.
 
I had to look up "Instagram brows". I have bangs so my brows are just brows. I fill in a bit with a pencil and pluck a few strays every now and then.

Contouring looks like way too much work and I am unconvinced anything could slim my very full face.

I don't have good skin, which is why concealer is my absolute must have. I don't think of my face as having any positives, except my lips are not awful, and my eyes are a nice greeny/blue color, but other than that, I need all the help I can get from makeup.

If I think I look reasonably okay, it makes it a little easier to get out the front door.
I don't think about what other people may think of me for using makeup. I suspect they don't think about me at all!
 
My face is way to small to get contour, blush, and highlight on the one cheek.

I usually only use 2 of bronzer, blush, highlight at the same time and never contour.

Bronzer is only used as an all over glow.

I like primer that makes my foundation last longer. I have skin that drinks up foundation like crazy.
 
My face is way to small to get contour, blush, and highlight on the one cheek.

I usually only use 2 of bronzer, blush, highlight at the same time and never contour.

Bronzer is only used as an all over glow.

I like primer that makes my foundation last longer. I have skin that drinks up foundation like crazy.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
My point is that since advertising drums in the message that it's needed to fix problems, it's no wonder that (at least some) people assume that if a woman wears makeup -- for men, visible makeup is still considered a statement -- she must be covering up a problem. If applied well, there's no way to prove or disprove what's underneath.
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kwanfan1818 said:
A. Because there's a ubiquitous advertising message that women have problems with their skin, and make-up is the answer. (Some) people erroneously conclude that all women must have problems with their skin if they wear make-up.
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I think your premise is right and your conclusion is wrong, though. You're correct that modern advertising and even product invention is to create a problem then sell you the solution.

But I think the "problem" here is simply the implication that women are not attractive without makeup, not that all women who wear makeup have acne or age spots or problem skin - how would eyeshadow help with problem skin? Or that they are lazy and don't care for their appearance or their attractiveness (to men, as sexual objects) if they don't put on these 57 different products every day. Therefore, wear this makeup to look better, to feel better, to attract men better, to BE BETTER. Yes, there are specific ads for concealers and brighteners to "correct" your dark undereye circles, but there's no problem to "fix" about thin brows, for example, other than you're not meeting the standards that society/makeup companies have laid out for you in order to be considered an attractive woman.
 
Most of the TV ads and info-mercials I've seen -- I sit there and say to myself "one more (row of knitting) and I'll change the channel" and voila I've watched the whole thing -- are either skin products or "systems" or mascara or lipstick ads. But, again, I was responding to IceAlisa's question about why people would think a woman who wears make-up automatically has bad skin, and the message behind the plethora of skincare ads I've seen either explicitly describe a problem -- dry skin, aging, and effects of the sun seem to be the biggest culprits, especially ads run during "Hot in Cleveland" re-runs -- or describe something you need make-up to get, because you don't have it. I've never concluded that women who wear make-up have bad skin by definition, but I had no idea my friends were rinsing the gray out of their hair starting when we were in our 30's. (No one tells me anything.)

I tend to doubt that people think that someone is hiding bad skin on their eyelids.

If women are wearing make-up to conform to an external ideal, it makes no sense that people would assume they have bad skin: they'd be judging women on whether their makeup conformed to whatever the social strata/profession expects from them, which I do think is endemic, and bad skin would be low on the list of things to judge. Why do you think people would assume a woman who wears make-up has bad skin? If I'm wrong in thinking the underlying messages are everywhere, I'd be interested in knowing the real reason(s) people will jump to this conclusion.
 
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IceAlisa said:
I don't get contouring.

Instagram brow :scream:
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These are examples of instragram brows - http://cdn.theglow.com.au/app/uploads/2014/12/instabrows1.jpg , http://a.abcnews.com/images/Lifestyle/HT_chantel_jeffries_sk_140124_16x9_608.jpg.
Cara Delevingne's brows are a good example. They are way too dark in my opinion.

https://youtu.be/9GysUQfI3ZQ

Youtube video making fun of it

https://youtu.be/9GysUQfI3ZQ

I get the idea of contouring. It is not new in makeup application. It's about making the face dimensional. It's suppose to look subtle. Contouring the face usually involved the cheeks, nose, and forehead. The technique of using shading to enhance and define facial features. Most celebrities are contoured. Kim K is known for her highlighted and contoured look. I've seen it done very well and very wrong. It is actually quite easy to do. There are tons of youtube videos on it.

So are Jennifer lopez, Kerry Washington, Beyonce, and etc.

Here are examples of good contouring, http://cdn.styleblazer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rsz_wenn21359298.jpg , http://cdn.styleblazer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/wenn21144739.jpg.

@skategal - I hardly doubt your face is too small for all three unless you have an usually small face. It is all about placement. blush on the apple of the cheek, highligter on the tops and contour bottom of cheek bone, or forehead.
 
PrincessLeppard said:
I have to give a shout out to two products which have saved my life this week. The first is Batiste dry shampoo (the green one, strength and shine). I found this at Urban Outfitters and it's awesome. It does leave some white residue, so maybe this won't work as well if you have darker hair, though I now have black underneath my blonde and with some scrubbing, I got it all hidden.
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I concur on the Batiste dry shampoo. I just tried it recently and really like it. It's much better than the previous dry shampoo I was using. I found it on Amazon and tried it because the reviews there were so good. it's also very affordable.
 
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