Hurricane Helene & Hurricane Milton

It seems some people are staying even after seeing the destruction caused by Helene.

Martin hitting Tampa right after Helene feels like lightning striking twice.

A restaurant owner said she is staying because they could reopen the restaurant after the storm has passed. She did concede that repairs would be needed. How will the employees get there is beyond me. I think she may be at higher elevation?

My friend on the photography chat board said they will be safe because they live on a hill, though it's possible their roof could be blown off. There was no chance of their home getting flooded. They were away when Helena hit and there was no damage. I think they are not in the evacuation area.

I know many photographers on that site who live in Florida, but it is hard to remember who they are. I just hope they are ok. One is in Daytona Beach. I think he will be safe.

My teacher who lives in Florida is currently out of the country, so no problem.

I am trying to think of people I know in Florida. I think Orlando, where I recently vacationed should be OK, but Clearwater is in clear danger. I think of the small shops and businesses near the beach. I can't imagine them surviving but I hope the people have evacuated.

ETA- they are predicting power outages all the way to Orlando. That could be a major problem.

They are already experiencing strong winds.

Since I am three hours behind, it may be 10pm-11pm here when Milton hits Florida. So I will find out which way the storm is going.
 
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I see Milton is a category 4 at the moment but the tornadoes have started and there is so much rain already there isn't room for much more. The surge is inevitable.
 
I see Milton is a category 4 at the moment but the tornadoes have started and there is so much rain already there isn't room for much more. The surge is inevitable.
Are tornados normal with a hurricane?
 
This summer when I was thinking of going somewhere close to a beach- like Hawaii- or taking a Carribean cruise, my travel agent said the hurricane season lasts Aug through November. So anywhere in the SE was out of the question. She said even going to Hawaii in early September may not be a good idea. Hurricanes are rare in Hawaii but when they happen, they are very bad. So I took a cruise of Nova Scotia. I did visit Orlando in late August, but when I took a day tour of Clearwater, I saw what it could be like under storm conditions. What I saw was very mild compared to what must be happening there now. I can't help thinking of the small shop on the Clearwater beach, where I spent half of my time because it gave me shelter from rain and winds.

Hurricanes are nothing new in Florida. However, I am hearing that even those who lived there their entire life have never seen anything like Helene. Now they have to face Milton, which is expected to be even worse.

I don't understand what they are feeling because I have never lived in that part of the country. I cannot be judgmental toward those who insist on riding out the storm. I know they are following their hearts and relying on their experience of several years. I feel that they should just do what the authorities tell them to do. Again, I am not going to judge or criticize them for not evacuating. I just hope they will be safe.

I think the best case scenario may be - zero lives lost, even though there could be significant property damage, and people getting the necessities like food, water, shelter easily.
 
This summer when I was thinking of going somewhere close to a beach- like Hawaii- or taking a Carribean cruise, my travel agent said the hurricane season lasts Aug through November. So anywhere in the SE was out of the question. She said even going to Hawaii in early September may not be a good idea. Hurricanes are rare in Hawaii but when they happen, they are very bad. So I took a cruise of Nova Scotia. I did visit Orlando in late August, but when I took a day tour of Clearwater, I saw what it could be like under storm conditions. What I saw was very mild compared to what must be happening there now. I can't help thinking of the small shop on the Clearwater beach, where I spent half of my time because it gave me shelter from rain and winds.

Hurricanes are nothing new in Florida. However, I am hearing that even those who lived there their entire life have never seen anything like Helene. Now they have to face Milton, which is expected to be even worse.

I don't understand what they are feeling because I have never lived in that part of the country. I cannot be judgmental toward those who insist on riding out the storm. I know they are following their hearts and relying on their experience of several years. I feel that they should just do what the authorities tell them to do. Again, I am not going to judge or criticize them for not evacuating. I just hope they will be safe.

I think the best case scenario may be - zero lives lost, even though there could be significant property damage, and people getting the necessities like food, water, shelter easily.
At any site a poster who studies climate science said.....these storms aren't the result of global warming, but rather their severity is being measurably enhanced by warmer oceanic surface waters and increased atmospheric convection driven by climate change. As climate impacts continue to worsen, it is possible that we may see the genesis of these storms even in conditions that otherwise would have prevented or inhibited their development (e.g., a named storm developing despite upper level wind shear, frontal boundary convergence, and/or a drier atmosphere). Helene was an unusually massive storm with historic deep inland impacts, shortly followed by Milton which intensified from a tropical storm to a category 5 hurricane in only 12 ******** HOURS.
 
Looks like Milton is going to give Tampa Bay a miss and make landfall further south near Sarasota, which is good for Tampa, but the area south of the eye of this one took a direct hit with Hurricane Ian two years ago and that area is likely to bear the brunt of the storm surge.

Also, wind strength is continuing to decrease - currently 130mph.
 
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WFLA in Tampa has a really interesting YT livestream -


Their wobble tracker is indicating that Milton may indeed wind up going into Tampa Bay after all as the storm has taken a track more northeast in the last hour or so.
 
Watching msnbc. It looks horrible. Tornado,flash floods, power outage, strong winds and a hurricane about to land. Some fatalities too. Sounds like Hell.

I admire the reporters who are out there to bring us the news. They are risking their lives.

This morning I sent some 'be safe' messages to photographers in my photography chat board. One of them replied- so far so good but it will get worse. I am about to lose power in1-2 hours. Won't be posting for sometime. He is in Sarasota. I hope he is safe.
 
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I wonder if it's worth it. Do we really need on the ground reporting in the middle of a storm? Especially when there are tornadoes popping up?
ITA. I think the networks should not ask/allow them to risk their lives.
 
I just learned that an aquaintance (mid 70s or so, recent shoulder surgery) is in the Largo, FL high school shelter. The school was designed to be used as a shelter and is big and looks sturdy. It is also full, per the local paper. Smart for Florida to have schools as shelters (many other schools are listed on the Pinellas County website). I am learning my gulf coast Florida geography. However, the storm is so large, on some satellite pix, it appears to cover almost the entire state.
 
It seems Milton made landfall as a cat2 hurricane. That's way ahead of predictions.
 
I heard they are getting 2-3 inches of rain per Hour! That's more rain than we get in a year!
 

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