Golden Spin judge gets 6-month suspension

Seriously if the ISU wants to clean up it's image about corruption, they need to ban these people for life.

Yes, it was a small competition that 99.9% of the world hasn't even heard of, but when that judge inevitably comes back and gets involved in a bigger judging scandal you bet fans will be mad. If there's a judging controversy at this Olympics and people claim the IJS is less subject to corruption, just watch this seemingly small story blow up as an example of how corruption is still possible with the system.
 
semogal said:
The ISU is really slow to learn. Judges cheat and get slaps on the wrist so they can come back and do it again. Maybe it is time to ban judges from practices.
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I don't think that is necessary. But judges should know that they cannot bring papers apart from official communications onto the panels.
 
overedge said:
I'm sure it's no coincidence that the ISU released this ruling while the Olympics are on, i.e. when the media's attention is focused elsewhere. What a sleazy tactic.
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I think it is pretty much the opposite situation. This is one of the few times when people (more than just the fans) are actually watching skating and anything skating related is more likely to make the news.
 
What a farce. Anybody found guilty of cheating in any way with regards to judging, be they judges or officials or federation representatives, should be banned for life. How can figure skating claim any credibility as a sport otherwise if the ISU keeps giving out nothing but a slap on the wrist to these people?

I feel so very sorry for Smart/Diaz in all this.
 
barbarafan said:
Their instructions don't come from the practices
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Reading the suspension document, it says she was using practices as a judgement for event placements. This argument has been had in other forums. Judge what occurs during the actual competition and not be influenced with how well or how poorly they did in practice.
 
Enchanted said:
I think it is pretty much the opposite situation. This is one of the few times when people (more than just the fans) are actually watching skating and anything skating related is more likely to make the news.
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With skating already having the reputation of questionable biased judging, why would the ISU want to draw attention to a case in which a judge was actually caught cheating? Unless the ISU is even more clueless than usual.
 
semogal said:
Reading the suspension document, it says she was using practices as a judgement for event placements. This argument has been had in other forums. Judge what occurs during the actual competition and not be influenced with how well or how poorly they did in practice.
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That is one problem but also he lowballed and highballed certain teams so although judge said they were practice notes they could also have been what the judge decided to give them to get the desired results he wished.
 
semogal said:
Reading the suspension document, it says she was using practices as a judgment for event placements. This argument has been had in other forums. Judge what occurs during the actual competition and not be influenced with how well or how poorly they did in practice.
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that is total Bullshit she was only present at one practice...what she was doing she was been giving marks to put in at competition from a third party ....This ISU is just a big Joke ..6 months offseason suspension..without retesting the Judge come on ..are we all Idiots !!!!
 
Aussie Willy said:
I don't think that is necessary. But judges should know that they cannot bring papers apart from official communications onto the panels.
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If I understood her defense correctly, she's claiming that her notes from practice remained in the folder from the ISU with the official communications by mistake?

Maybe it's necessary to search the judges as they enter the judges' stand to make sure they don't have anything with them except the allowed official documents -- no prepared notes, no electronic devices, etc.

And if it turns out that judges are hiding such notes inside their coats or on their bodies, strip search them before letting them on the stand?
 
The big picture here is that reputable sports self-regulate to maintain integrity of officiating.
Banning cheaters for life is just one piece.

Other sports have ways of keeping event officials on their guard by having means of protest, referral to a central office on a call and regular reviews and ratings of officials, booting out ones who just don't do a great job at it...before cheating ever happens.

On the last point, my understanding is there is an attempt to rate judges on their work for example. I believe they do this by pointing to the outliers on a panel and making them explain their mark. I don't think this is effective because judging becomes a guessing game of assigning marks based on what you think the rest of the panel will score instead of what you actually see. That dynamic causes weird inertia in marking.

What should be happening is if an entire panel rates a spin +3 in the ladies event and Lucinda Ruh could blow it away in speed, position and centering combined then they should ALL be taken to task. This kinda stuff isn't happening.

Much longer way to go to keep panels authentic than just lifetime bans....but I agree that would be a start.
 
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Rock2 said:
What should be happening is if an entire panel rates a spin +3 in the ladies event and Lucinda Ruh could blow it away in speed, position and centering combined then they should ALL be taken to task. This kinda stuff isn't happening.
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How could that happen? Who would be responsible for identifying elements where all or morst of the panel scored too high or too low on GOEs.

Who defines "too high"?

Currently the guidelines for +3 GOE are that the element achieves 6 bullet points out of a possible 8. Most of those criteria are continuous variables, not either/or, so there will be some valid disagreements as to whether or not the element achieved them.

Many of the criteria are defined in terms of "good" (speed, position, etc.). Who defines the line between "good" and not good enough and how do you get all judges to draw it in exactly the same place?

Comparing to an all-time best regarding final GOE is not a viable approach, especially since different skaters might excel in different areas and deserve the same GOE for different reasons, by meeting different combinations of criteria.

Separate benchmarks for each bullet point might be useful, but they should be attainable by strong spinners for spins (and comparable for other element types), not unreachable standards.
 
Another vile creature allowed to cheat and come back when she wants. The trouble is half of them are crap at what they do too. She needs notes and needs to do 'groupings' because she can't judge 20 couples lol.
I can do that with one eye shut and an arm behind my back.
On that the note gross gross over marking of Agafonova/ulcar for the last 4 years has been unbearable. They have terrible skating skills, they were literally crawling through their short and free dance, still managed to qualify and get PCS that would have had them closer to 15th than the 19th place they ended up in.
All done by the same usual suspects, Russia and all the Eastern European judges.
They've been so smart too because they have now increased their influence so dramatically by buying and forming 2 smaller federations, Turkey and Israel.
 
gkelly said:
If I understood her defense correctly, she's claiming that her notes from practice remained in the folder from the ISU with the official communications by mistake?

Maybe it's necessary to search the judges as they enter the judges' stand to make sure they don't have anything with them except the allowed official documents -- no prepared notes, no electronic devices, etc.

And if it turns out that judges are hiding such notes inside their coats or on their bodies, strip search them before letting them on the stand?
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The referee probably should be checking the judges to make sure they don't have anything on them. If there are any consequences from this incident then it should be a mandatory outcome for future events.
 
And let's not forget that one judge has resigned. Because during that comp, he had seizures ^^
 
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