From Russia With Love [#39]: Into Winter 2021

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A lot of Russian coaches overemphasise jumps to the exclusion of other elements and skating skills. Plushenko was the posterboy for this philosophy as a skater and I doubt he's advocating a more balanced approach to training now as a coach. Trusova herself matches his competitive fire and quad maximalism exactly, so I assume they just amplify each other's lack of perspective in practice.

Plus, if they scale back her jump content and try to rebuild her into a well-rounded skater now it's all going to fall apart. That would be a multi-year project and neither Trusova nor the Russian federation has the patience for that. So they'll just ride the quad wave as far as it takes her and hope it results in an Olympic medal before her body gives out.
Only Russian coaches? As I recall, it worked out pretty well for Nathan Chen. He also initially kept doing the jumps to the exclusion of anything else. And as I recall, it also worked pretty well for Jin Boyang for a few years, while he was landing those quads. It got him two bronze medals from worlds and 4th at the Olympics.
 
I want Shcherbakova, Tuktamysheva and Valieva as the Russian team for the Olympics.
Scherbakova, Trusova and Valieva. Ideally Kostornaya would have her spot too, but I can’t see who would give it to her...Scherbakova?
 
Only Russian coaches? As I recall, it worked out pretty well for Nathan Chen. He also initially kept doing the jumps to the exclusion of anything else. And as I recall, it also worked pretty well for Jin Boyang for a few years, while he was landing those quads. It got him two bronze medals from worlds and 4th at the Olympics.
Yes, it's a strategy that frequently gets rewarded, hence my comment that Trusova and Plushenko may be right to pursue it.
 
Only Russian coaches? As I recall, it worked out pretty well for Nathan Chen. He also initially kept doing the jumps to the exclusion of anything else. And as I recall, it also worked pretty well for Jin Boyang for a few years, while he was landing those quads. It got him two bronze medals from worlds and 4th at the Olympics.
To be fair, Nathan's coach is from the 'Russian school', so...
 
To be fair, Nathan's coach is from the 'Russian school', so...
I thought he started with the quads strategy before he even moved to Arutyunyan! Didn’t he insist on doing all those quads even at some exhibition, injuring himself?

ETA- as per wiki, before the season 2016-17, as a preparation for his senior debut he started working on his quads flip and lutz. At that time he moved to be coached by Zueva/Epstein. I am pretty sure Zueva wasn’t the one teaching him the quads! What does she know about jumps? So it would have been Epstein’s idea? Or Chen himself decided that it is the way forward?
 
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It’s just extremely frustrating and annoying that all these young Russian men break out with a great competition, and show great potential, and then after it never sticks. I fully there Russian fed and the mentality behind the scenes for that (not the men).

As bad as it sounds getting sick and being forced to sit out a whole season was a great blessing for Mikhail. It took the idiots off his back, at least temporarily. Hopefully the same proves true for young Artur who has yet to be destroyed by them. Sitting out this season may be his blessing too
 
It’s just extremely frustrating and annoying that all these young Russian men break out with a great competition, and show great potential, and then after it never sticks. I fully there Russian fed and the mentality behind the scenes for that (not the men).

As bad as it sounds getting sick and being forced to sit out a whole season was a great blessing for Mikhail. It took the idiots off his back, at least temporarily. Hopefully the same proves true for young Artur who has yet to be destroyed by them. Sitting out this season may be his blessing too
Danielian strikes me as too self-confident and convinced of his own rectitude to let RusFed's constant kvetching about adding more quads or whatever interfere with his development. I hope I'm right as he's a beautiful skater and I want him to have a long career.
 
Artur Danielyan ? he has very good skating skills but the same as every russian mens, hot or cold.
It would be nice if russia can keep their 3 spots again by next Worlds. You never know will be selected as its a roulette.

Even the hyped young Samsonov is all but done. where is Erokhov, what happened to him ?
Mozalev, Semenenko, Gumennik, Danielyan, Samarin, Aliev, Kolyada - I really dont see any difference as all can place high depending on how they skate, the men are NOW skaters whatever, practices that you see are nothing and will not tell you how they will skate.
 
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My utter respect to both Mishin and Moskvina. This is their Worlds and hopefully 2022 will be their Olympics. 80 years old, more than 50 years in the business and both continue to work without any excuses and tiredness. Full set of medals here between the two of them and a option for the 3 spots in Men.
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Congrats to the Russian men for regaining the three spots! :cheer2:

So how long will it take for the Russian fed to get in Sememenko’s head and destroy him?

That is good news about the 3 mens spots for the Olympics. But this Russia also get 3 spots for Europeans and worlds next year no matter how they do with the Olympics?
 
Danielian strikes me as too self-confident and convinced of his own rectitude to let RusFed's constant kvetching about adding more quads or whatever interfere with his development. I hope I'm right as he's a beautiful skater and I want him to have a long career.
What is rectitude? Confidence? It's going to be a wild dog fight to see which of the 3 Russian men make the Olympic team. As far as the Russian ladies go it's going to be an incredible monumental competition to see which ladies go to Beijing.

Hopefully the Russian skaters are in optimum health in the Olympic season. Too many of them had c19 this season. I don't think any other country had the massive virus issue that the Russians did. They need to be more careful in the Olympic season and maybe some less partying too. ;)
 
Scherbakova, Trusova and Valieva. Ideally Kostornaya would have her spot too, but I can’t see who would give it to her...Scherbakova?
Anna is the 3 time Russian national champion and now the defending world champion. Unless something unforeseen happens she is a lock for Beijing. And she has the right coach too. ;) Eteri will brawl with the fed for her girls. Valieva is close to a Bejiing lock unless something like puberty kicks in. You can't control mother nature so we have to wait and see what happens with KV.

The big question is how will the world be how will Beijing be for the Olympics? Will the athletes be able to do more than just stay in their hotel Room and go to the rink? Alot of the skaters were completely worn out by this C19 season.
 
My utter respect to both Mishin and Moskvina. This is their Worlds and hopefully 2022 will be their Olympics. 80 years old, more than 50 years in the business and both continue to work without any excuses and tiredness. Full set of medals here between the two of them and a option for the 3 spots in Men.
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I totally agree. If anybody should ever ask me who my role-models (as a teacher) are, I'd name Moskvina and Mishin in a heartbeat. I feel my heart beating and warming up whenever I get to talk or write about them. Goddamn legends!
 
Anna is the 3 time Russian national champion and now the defending world champion. Unless something unforeseen happens she is a lock for Beijing. And she has the right coach too. ;) Eteri will brawl with the fed for her girls. Valieva is close to a Bejiing lock unless something like puberty kicks in. You can't control mother nature so we have to wait and see what happens with KV.

I disagree, Russian nationals is first past the post. If Anna or Valieva don't make the top 3 eligible ladies, they are toast and will not be sent!
 
I disagree, Russian nationals is first past the post. If Anna or Valieva don't make the top 3 eligible ladies, they are toast and will not be sent!
Precisely. There are no guarantees as to which skaters will make the team. Russia goes for whomever has the best odds of medaling as well they should. It's a long time until next February. We just have to hope they have a full GP series and Europeans to let all of them get ready.
 
I disagree, Russian nationals is first past the post. If Anna or Valieva don't make the top 3 eligible ladies, they are toast and will not be sent!
They will make exceptions next season if that's the case or one of them misses Russian nationals due to injury. And juries and sickness could happen and you can't send someone to the Olympics she does not have the ultra jumps unless it's alyona.

Zhenya missex nationals the year of the Olympics with a broken foot and still made the Olympic team and rightfully so. It happened then a can happen again but I hope everybody is healthy for nationals.
 
EI did herself a favour in choosing to stay on only as a consultant when needed. I keep asking though what is Rozanov going to do now? Will they finally allow him to train Zhilina exclusively? Her mother doesn't appear to be coping well.
 
Anna is the 3 time Russian national champion and now the defending world champion. Unless something unforeseen happens she is a lock for Beijing. And she has the right coach too. ;) Eteri will brawl with the fed for her girls. Valieva is close to a Bejiing lock unless something like puberty kicks in. You can't control mother nature so we have to wait and see what happens with KV.

I don’t think it helped Tuktamysheva anyhow in the season 2015-2016 to be the world champion the previous previous season. She still didn’t qualify to the Europeans and worlds, despite being the European and world champion the season before. Russian federation is usually selecting based on who is great at present, not who was great in the last season. They may be slightly padding Anna’s scores, trying to give her slightly better GOE or PCS than they would give to anyone else, but if she doesn’t deliver at the national, they won’t be able to hold her up. Same as they couldn’t hold up Liza in 2025-16.
 
What is rectitude? Confidence? It's going to be a wild dog fight to see which of the 3 Russian men make the Olympic team. As far as the Russian ladies go it's going to be an incredible monumental competition to see which ladies go to Beijing.

Hopefully the Russian skaters are in optimum health in the Olympic season. Too many of them had c19 this season. I don't think any other country had the massive ***** issue that the Russians did. They need to be more careful in the Olympic season and maybe some less partying too. ;)
I meant that he seems very headstrong and invested in his own training methods and developmental trajectory compared to most other skaters his age, who are more likely to offer cookie-cutter non-answers and/or bland praise for their coaches in interviews. So I’m not too worried that outsiders who think they’re entitled to an opinion, like federation officials, celebrity coaches and commentators, etc., will bully him into making the wrong decision for his career (the way I am about Kostornaia, whose self-belief seems to have cratered this season, for example).
 
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