From Russia with Love [#30]: If There Are Test Skate Videos, It Must Be Fall 2018

[kwanfan1818]

Gosh, imagine if this was Eteri's interview and words.....

I thought Tutberidze only uses those words for skaters who have left her, while Buianova uses them for her current roster.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I thought Tutberidze only uses those words for skaters who have left her, while Buianova uses them for her current roster.

sometimes it is the same skaters, and they still get "no love" from the new coaches... Plus, i am not sure which situation is better.... harsh words in public from a current coach (and no immediate place to escape) or a former coach with whom a skater no longer has to work with on daily basis and yet has now a new one to look forward to.. I'll take the later, personally.

What this tells me, is that many skaters have "born with health issues" and regardless of "coach" this sport causes injuries, and skaters goes through pain, ups and downs... and all coaches note it and are openly frustrated when skaters can not overcome it... well, at least those who were trained in USSR/Russia, regardless of where they train, in USA, Canada, Russia, Europe, etc..

 

[Ka3sha]

.... and a weight control problem... "when she was young everything was easy for her, but now she needs more discipline to control herself, she (Rad) understands the problem, but now needs to act upon it"..
- Татьяна Тарасова, которой Радионова небезразлична, говорила мне, что проблемы возникают от отсутствия у фигуристки самодисциплины, связанной с питанием.
- Конечно. Мы же привыкли к тому, что спортсмен не должен быть обычным человеком. Но наступает время, когда и он проявляет рядовую человеческую слабость. Ты с ним разговариваешь, он все понимает, но сделать ничего не может. У Лены произошла та же ситуация, она понимает многие вещи, но не может совладать с собой. Когда она была маленькая, все получалось быстро и легко, но сейчас она выросла, и у нее происходит совсем не так, как хочется.

Gosh, imagine if this was Eteri's interview and words.....

Well, you kind of mistranslated this part as Buyanova wasn’t talking only about gaining and loosing weight here


If anyone is interested in reading full interview, it was translated by fs-gossips
Elena Buyanova: Radionova Can No Longer Endure Pain, It’s Very Hard For Her Now

 

[hanca]

sometimes it is the same skaters, and they still get "no love" from the new coaches... Plus, i am not sure which situation is better.... harsh words in public from a current coach (and no immediate place to escape) or a former coach with whom a skater no longer has to work with on daily basis and yet has now a new one to look forward to.. I'll take the later, personally.

What this tells me, is that many skaters have "born with health issues" and regardless of "coach" this sport causes injuries, and skaters goes through pain, ups and downs... and all coaches note it and are openly frustrated when skaters can not overcome it... well, at least those who were trained in USSR/Russia, regardless of where they train, in USA, Canada, Russia, Europe, etc..

Not necessarily. It means that her old coach threw her under the bus because she suddenly had better students, and her current coach could not miss the opportunity to take as many students as possible even if she doesn’t have enough time for them. So the current coach is not doing her job properly and trying to blame the students.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Well, you kind of mistranslated this part as Buyanova wasn’t talking only about gaining and loosing weight here

No i did not mistranslated. She addressed weight, following Tarasova's comment about Radionova's weight. Glad you posted the whole interview, because my translation was only partial.

"Not only" does not mean the issue was not addressed, it means "it's not the only issue". Here is the Russian text AGAIN.
Tatiana Tarasova, who is not indifferent to Radionova, told me that problems with a skater arise when she lacks self-restrain (self-discipline), connected with food intake (diet).
- Татьяна Тарасова, которой Радионова небезразлична, говорила мне, что проблемы возникают от отсутствия у фигуристки самодисциплины, связанной с питанием.
- Конечно. Мы же привыкли к тому, что спортсмен не должен быть обычным человеком. Но наступает время, когда и он проявляет рядовую человеческую слабость. Ты с ним разговариваешь, он все понимает, но сделать ничего не может. У Лены произошла та же ситуация, она понимает многие вещи, но не может совладать с собой. Когда она была маленькая, все получалось быстро и легко, но сейчас она выросла, и у нее происходит совсем не так, как хочется.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Not necessarily. It means that her old coach threw her under the bus because she suddenly had better students, and her current coach could not miss the opportunity to take as many students as possible even if she doesn’t have enough time for them. So the current coach is not doing her job properly and trying to blame the students.

There are junior students at CSKA rink in Buianova's group, who are posting non-intentional IG messages "mom, come and pick me up (or, "mom, i am coming home early"), because Buianova did not show up for class or stormed out of the session, and the assistant coach let us out early, and when we asked why the classes were cancelled, the assistant coach told us to go ask Buianova"?

You want the vids? they are "teenage talk" and in russian.....

Buianova chose the wrong method to solve her "personal and professional issues" with some leading coaches... Now she has NO leading lady in GPF, and her students are not likely to make the National World Team.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Nice Tamara Moskvina video tribute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HK8p9gWaT4

it has two songs:
I want to be an Olympic champion, so i come out on the ice, and listening to my coach how to do it right.. because i want to be an Olympic champion. from 1960's...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zESQL2gUlzc

Ice and Fire, the whole Russia expects a win! Work hard, but be yourself! (for hockey but applied to ice skating) a song by Guzmanov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOwBrl0W8lM

 

[Mad for Skating]

And completely ignores Sergei, the only success story she has this season. What's new...of course, he is probably successful because he doesn't need her "help" much anyway.

Coachless Sergei: A Story of Triumph!

single white female
v: to imitate to the point of stalking. Based on the movie of the same name.
"Hey, this girl is single white femaling me. I can't get her off my back!"

Single White Female - Movie Trailer

Wow, gotcha! That’s totally accurate in Natalia’s case! Looks like a real crazy (but cool) movie.

Btw, I have watched one R-rated movie before (The Breakfast Club), but only because my mom thought it was PG-13 And I’ve seen parts of The Matrix series, which I love.

So, Buianova is also stating that "Radionova has a born-with health issues and back problems"...
- У нее с детства есть проблема со здоровьем, не связанная со спортом. Всегда, когда она каталась, она постоянно с этим боролась. Она жила с этой проблемой.
- Проблемы со спиной?
- Как правило, да, но от спины происходят другие сложности.

.... and a weight control problem... "when she was young everything was easy for her, but now she needs more discipline to control herself, she (Rad) understands the problem, but now needs to act upon it"..
- Татьяна Тарасова, которой Радионова небезразлична, говорила мне, что проблемы возникают от отсутствия у фигуристки самодисциплины, связанной с питанием.
- Конечно. Мы же привыкли к тому, что спортсмен не должен быть обычным человеком. Но наступает время, когда и он проявляет рядовую человеческую слабость. Ты с ним разговариваешь, он все понимает, но сделать ничего не может. У Лены произошла та же ситуация, она понимает многие вещи, но не может совладать с собой. Когда она была маленькая, все получалось быстро и легко, но сейчас она выросла, и у нее происходит совсем не так, как хочется.

Gosh, imagine if this was Eteri's interview and words.....

Well actually, I don’t think Buyanova is any better than Eteri. She might be a little more sly about it sometimes, but she still restricts her skaters’ food like crazy and she speaks very harshly about them. I’m not a fan of either coach.

 

[RoseRed]

Coachless Sergei: A Story of Triumph!



Wow, gotcha! That’s totally accurate in Natalia’s case! Looks like a real crazy (but cool) movie.

Btw, I have watched one R-rated movie before (The Breakfast Club), but only because my mom thought it was PG-13 And I’ve seen parts of The Matrix series, which I love.



Well actually, I don’t think Buyanova is any better than Eteri. She might be a little more sly about it sometimes, but she still restricts her skaters’ food like crazy and she speaks very harshly about them. I’m not a fan of either coach.

I watched Magic Mike with my Mom a few years ago (although that's 14A in Canada). It was her suggestion, scrolling through Netflix. She didn't really know what the movie was about (apparently she thought it was just a movie about strippers, but it wouldn't include much stripping ).

Is The Matrix really R? We watched clips of that in theatre design in high school.

Sorry for the OT.

 

[feraina]

I enjoyed the interview with Buyanova. I do not find her disrespectful of her students or anyone else. To the contrary. I find her very Russian. So brutally honest. No sugar coating anything.

Also I suspect she didn’t really mean there are only a few bright (smart) ones that arrive in the senior ranks, but rather that there are only a few that turn into stars. But I’m just guessing here.

 

[Mad for Skating]

I watched Magic Mike with my Mom a few years ago (although that's 14A in Canada). It was her suggestion, scrolling through Netflix. She didn't really know what the movie was about (apparently she thought it was just a movie about strippers, but it wouldn't include much stripping ).

Is The Matrix really R? We watched clips of that in theatre design in high school.

Sorry for the OT.

OMG THAT’S HILARIOUS! Although my suspicion is, maybe she knew exactly what it was about and that’s the reason why she wanted to watch it )

Yeah, I was surprised that the Matrix movies are R-rated; they didn’t seem any more violent than your standard adventure movie like Divergent or The Hunger Games. Very well-written plots and cool visual effects.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I enjoyed the interview with Buyanova. I do not find her disrespectful of her students or anyone else. To the contrary. I find her very Russian. So brutally honest. No sugar coating anything.

I like that too, always. As long as this criteria of "acceptable brutal honesty" applied equally to ALL coaches.

 

[analia]

These rumors about Buyanova's personal problems this season. What are those exactly? And where is Goncharenko?

 

[Amantide]

There is another Buianova article from today, where she is not very kind to Polina Tsurskaya (imo). After all she "invited her", and knew what she is getting, and now complains after less than 6 months..

Elena Buianova: "Tsurskaya has not yet learned how to express/portray emotions. Her jumps are well set, but absolutely no understanding/feeling of/for emotions.".
https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1068748518.html

Buianova says that Tsurskaya's programmes, even in juniors, were always "in minor" (gloomy) and that Polina never had the "happy personality" (on ice) and was emphasising her athleticism, not emotions. Buianova had little time to work on Polina's programmes before the start of the season, so she asked Tarasova to work on Polina's programmes. Yet Polina is hard to change, she did it her way for 10 years, and some skaters do not easily change. Polina is uptight (too reserved) and lacks confidence. But Tarasova believes she can change that. As a junior Polina had more confidence, but now as a woman it is hard for her. The skater's career is very short, so Buianova hopes and wishes that Polina better learn quickly.

There are different things she's talking about, but making it sound like it's the same and that's a bit confusing for me. Not having a "happy personality" or being "in minor" is not a problem at all.
In fact, as an ex musician, I love "minor" a lot. Minor is full of intense and deep emotions. Being able to express/portray those emotions, however, is entirely a different question.

But these are two different things and I'm not sure what she is trying to say here. That the latter is linked to the former. If thats the case she is wrong and Polina should work with a coach who really understand her nature and find programs which suits her personality, not try to transform her in smth which she is not.

 

[Tinami Amori]

But these are two different things and I'm not sure what she is trying to say here. That the latter is linked to the former. If thats the case she is wrong and Polina should work with a coach who really understand her nature and find programs which suits her personality, not try to transform her in smth which she is not.

I should have translated the whole interview... but i think someone already did, so i took only pieces.

She also says that Tsurskaya needs to develop more her "happy feminine side", not just be "gloomy" and "athletic". The other paragraph is about "feminine style". I personally have NO idea what she is talking about, because i don't see these problems in Polina (but i am not a coach)...

Here i'll translate few more parts.

Q to Bouianova: (don't you think) Tsurskaya's programmes are too "in minor/gloomy"?
Bouianova A: Take a look at all her junior programmes. She was never a "cheerful kind". Her emphasis is on athletisism, and i think that was right, it was winning. Not every one has a gift of being both "cheery/happy" and a stronger jumper on the ice at the same time. (She) at present can't portray/produce emotions. Jumps are there, but completely lack of understanding the emotions.

Tatiana Tarasova, together with Irina Tagaeva, are trying to develop that in Tsurskaya. Tarasova gave her (Tsurskaya) the Valse, so that she looks more feminine, we have to start small (somewhere) to develop it in the person. In the Long Programme we do not want to break her style all at once. You know, sometimes comes a skater and just can't do a jump from a new entry. If one skated something for 10 years, same old same old, then more likely than not, one will continue to (do the same). (that's) because one lacks the ability to develop (move forward).
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– У Цурской не слишком ли минорные программы?

– Вы посмотрите на все ее детские программы, она никогда не была «веселушкой». Всегда ставился акцент на ее атлетизм, и я считаю, что это правильно, это выигрышно. А мощно прыгать и еще веселиться на льду дано не каждому. Пока не умеет выражать эмоции. Прыжки поставлены, а эмоций абсолютно не понимает.

Татьяна Тарасова вместе с Ириной Тагаевой стараются в Цурской это развить. Тарасова в короткой программе постаралась ей поставить вальс, чтобы она выглядела чуть поженственнее, ведь начинать надо с малого, чтобы человек развивался. В произвольной сразу ломать ее невозможно. Знаете, иногда приходит фигурист и не может на прыжок нового захода усвоить. Катал он десять лет одно и то же, скорее всего, так и будет дальше. Потому что не умеет развиваться.

 

[Amantide]

I should have translated the whole interview... but i think someone already did, so i took only pieces.

She also says that Tsurskaya needs to develop more her "happy feminine side", not just be "gloomy" and "athletic". The other paragraph is about "feminine style". I personally have NO idea what she is talking about, because i don't see these problems in Polina (but i am not a coach)...

Here i'll translate few more parts.

Q to Bouianova: (don't you think) Tsurskaya's programmes are too "in minor/gloomy"?
Bouianova A: Take a look at all her junior programmes. She was never a "cheerful kind". Her emphasis is on athletisism, and i think that was right, it was winning. Not every one has a gift of being both "cheery/happy" and a stronger jumper on the ice at the same time. (She) at present can't portray/produce emotions. Jumps are there, but completely lack of understanding the emotions.

Tatiana Tarasova, together with Irina Tagaeva, are trying to develop that in Tsurskaya. Tarasova gave her (Tsurskaya) the Valse, so that she looks more feminine, we have to start small (somewhere) to develop it in the person. In the Long Programme we do not want to break her style all at once. You know, sometimes comes a skater and just can't do a jump from a new entry. If one skated something for 10 years, same old same old, then more likely than not, one will continue to (do the same). (that's) because one lacks the ability to develop (move forward).

Thank you.
This is a bit more clear. It was a question made to her, about the "minor" thing, not her assesment.
Sorry, I read the translated version after I wrote the comment.

I don't see these problems in Polina either. I like that she is not the "cheerful kind" and I don't see lack, or not enough feminility in her skating. She has gorgeous skating skills, really good posture and body movements, which makes her overall look very elegant as well as powerful, thanks to her jumps. For me, the main issue with her looks to be the lack of consistency with tecnical elements. Whether this is because of her health issues or lack of confidence I do not know.

 

[Mad for Skating]

I don't see these problems in Polina either. I like that she is not the "cheerful kind" and I don't see lack, or not enough feminility in her skating. She has gorgeous skating skills, really good posture and body movements, which makes her overall look very elegant as well as powerful, thanks to her jumps. For me, the main issue with her looks to be the lack of consistency with tecnical elements. Whether this is because of her health issues or lack of confidence I do not know.

I like Polina a lot! I think her skating is very feminine - just because she doesn’t run around in a tutu like Zagitova doesn’t mean she looks like a guy out there. She just has a more powerful, athletic style. And as far as the “in minor” comment, I like dark gloomy programs. I think she could work miracles with an avant-garde modern dance program. Not everyone is meant to be a smiley Kaori Sakamoto (even though she’s amazing too!)

But alas, the jumps...

 

[Madison25]

I also perceive Polina as a feminine skater, even delicate, fragile... It's true that Polina is not the cheerful kind of skater, but more melancholic. And she potrays very well this kind of emotions. I don't know what Buyanova sees...

 

[Tinami Amori]

I also perceive Polina as a feminine skater, even delicate, fragile... It's true that Polina is not the cheerful kind of skater, but more melancholic. And she potrays very well this kind of emotions. I don't know what Buyanova sees...

I think of Polina not as "in minor/gloomy" but as a "mystic/fantasia/mythology theme skater", and loved it in her. She portrays "abstract" well.. I think Buianova's idea of "feminine" is either what Radionova does (flirty/shaky) or what she made out of Sotskova "gentle society girl from 19th century".

I wish she did not mess with Tsurskaya's style, it was just fine and was rather unique and very much her own and suited her well.... Tsurskaya's facial and body features are perfect for "mystic sorceress" image and style.

http://www.goldenskate.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Polina-Tsurskaya-1.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/B6gpNCwnjrI/hqdefault.jpg
http://www.fskate.ru/photos2/image26711.jpg
https://cdn1.img.rsport.ru/images/90543/90/905439031.jpg
https://24smi.org/public/media/2018/10/19/104_KyL64dK.jpg

If Polina likes "dark and melancholic" then why not let her keep it... She is now an adult/senior, and the whole point of "switching" was to "find herself and be an adult".... So why is Buianova messing with her style and forcing her into something that is unnatural to her? that is contradictory to the original intent to change coaches..

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/3c/3d/7d3c3d45585642b534c7875e886624b7.jpg
http://s009.radikal.ru/i308/1707/85/6108c07fc1c7.jpg
https://fsrussia.ru/images/interviyou/zurskaya/PTS10.jpg

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Can someone help me out .....

last year at Skate America who was the blonde Russian chick that was a last-minute replacement and whose coach was Evgeni Plushenko and he flew to New York to coach her at SkAm. I don't recall seeing this woman at any competition yet this year… Who was it? I'm trying to remember.....

There's so many Russians on the scene.

Thanks y'all

 

[Sylvia]

Serafima Sakhanovich. She just won the silver at the CS comp. in Innsbruck yesterday.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Ahhhhhhh I would not have remembered her name. No GPs for her??

 

[Vash01]

Serafima Sakhanovich. She just won the silver at the CS comp. in Innsbruck yesterday.

Great! Does it mean she can compete at the Russian nationals?

 

[Mad for Skating]

Can someone help me out .....

last year at Skate America who was the blonde Russian chick that was a last-minute replacement and whose coach was Evgeni Plushenko and he flew to New York to coach her at SkAm. I don't recall seeing this woman at any competition yet this year… Who was it? I'm trying to remember.....

There's so many Russians on the scene.

Thanks y'all

Serafima Sakhanovich! She was one of my favorites last year. Beautiful dresses btw.

 

[Jeschke]

Great! Does it mean she can compete at the Russian nationals?

Likely no. She is way down in the RC ranking.

 

[Lovemyvike]

Did something happen to Evgenia Tarasova? Her chin is all bandaged up and it sounds like she's in an ambulance in her IG story. Although she seems to be laughing.

 

[Vash01]

Did something happen to Evgenia Tarasova? Her chin is all bandaged up and it sounds like she's in an ambulance in her IG story. Although she seems to be laughing.

I read in the practices thread that she had a bad fall, into the boards. Then she and Vladimir left. I hope she is ok.

 

[Mad for Skating]

Did something happen to Evgenia Tarasova? Her chin is all bandaged up and it sounds like she's in an ambulance in her IG story. Although she seems to be laughing.

She apparently still plans to compete. Poor girl. She’s a lot tougher than you’d think.

 

[Vash01]

She apparently still plans to compete. Poor girl. She’s a lot tougher than you’d think.

I know she is tough. She skated with 8 stitches in her leg couple years ago, but it depends on the type if injury and what the doctor advises.

 

[barbarafan]

She apparently still plans to compete. Poor girl. She’s a lot tougher than you’d think.

We all know she is very tough....either last season or season before she was sliced and diced during competition practice. They stitched her up and she carried on with competition.