jennysk8oboe
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I wish Robin and Vanessa could join for some professional skating! Why not?
Not enough of a height difference, and Robin seems happy with his life as it is.I wish Robin and Vanessa could join for some professional skating! Why not?
Well of course because it would all be too little too late. Do we think that this is the only under age girl he's done this to? There has been tension between them for years with out and out cuss outs in the Kiss and Cry to prove it. It is just very, very messy.
Yup, I believe it's well-established at this point that there are zero circumstances under which a grown man should be sending a 13-year old child pictures of his dick (or anyone else's).Here's the thing @insideedgeua we know for sure Morgan, an adult man, sent a photo of his genitalia to a girl, a child. There are not any extenuating circumstances to ameliorate this. He's an adult. He sent a dic pic to a child. He's a sexual predator. There are no grey areas in this.
Here's the thing @insideedgeua we know for sure Morgan, an adult man, sent a photo of his genitalia to a girl, a child. There are not any extenuating circumstances to ameliorate this. He's an adult. He sent a dic pic to a child. He's a sexual predator. There are no grey areas in this.
What helped me was to remember my 12-13 year old self and I can tell you that at that age I'd have been both petrified and frozen by being groomed by 2 men to the point that I'd be requesting a dic pic. By frozen I mean unable to speak about it to adults who could help, unable to say no, unable to assert myself in any way.
It all starts as something playful and fun. And the girls are teased and given treats, and made to feel special. And then it progresses to where you know you're uncomfortable with it but don't know how to say no, don't know how to set boundaries BECAUSE YOU'RE A CHILD!
Cipres and the coach know better. Of course they do. They're just creepy a$$holes.
13. YEARS. OLD.
I’m sorry to hear that this happened to you. It does happen and I totally agree that this is wrong.
What I don’t know, in this case, when a text requested a photo, did Morgan know who he was sending it to? Was it just a request from a number not in his phone and he sent the photo anyway? Obviously really stupid, but possible. I don’t think that this is intentionally grooming a child with the intention of taking things further.
Like you, I know some 13 year olds that are definitely little girls. Sadly, I know others who are sexually active at the same age and others still who may not be sexually active, but would still find requesting the photo funny.
It definitely could be predatory behavior, but without the details, we can’t know this.
Is the other coach, the one who dared the girl to ask for the photos French or American? I know that the two coaches who tried to cover it all up are American, but this other coach instigated the whole thing yet we hear little about this.
But that is the point. You are an athlete a public figure. You don't know who is on the other end and you are not a single skater but a pairs skater and you choose to do this?
Add dotard to the list of nouns associated with this guy. Why is there even a need to defend this guy and his actions? It's because of attitudes like these that women and children are afraid to report these crimes.
I don't know what type of person he will become in the future but at this moment a penalty that will give him time to contemplate his life choices, IMHO, is the only way to go.
From his shitty non-apology email to her parents, he definitely knew who she was. They were skating at the same rink and he was coaching her on the side. For those reasons, her number could have been on his phone. But the dick pics were sent through Instagram, from his certified account to her through DM, so her name could have been on that as well.
Her tutor and her therapist (mandated reporters) were the ones who reported the incident to authorities. I would imagine that she was ultimately not okay with what happened. Especially after Zimmerman and Fontana (should have been mandated reporters, breaking the law) blamed her and slut shamed her into silence.
SHE WAS A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL. He was a 26 year old wannabe coach. If it's not predatory behavior, then he is clearly too stupid to coach anyways. Even sending solicited dick pics to someone he may or may not have known was underage, as someone who wants to have a coaching career, he should have known it was a bad idea and could put him in a dangerous situation. And if he didn't realize this, he's a complete idiot. Either way, as a predator or as a horny moron, he should not be in charge of children. Ever.
That is Vinny Dispenza. His name has been in 99% of articles about this, along with Zimmerman and Fontana. His reasons have never been mentioned AFAIK, but his name has been all over the place.
Because it is all too prevalent across the sport. Along with physical abuse.It’s a real shame that her parents hadn’t also supported this girl with her complaint. It took outsiders to force the issue and make the complaint.
Thanks for posting the link to the article with Vinny’s name. That’s the thing though, we’ve heard the name, yet little else. He’s treated as a byline, even in this article.
I just find it very strange that more isn’t being made of his part in this. If he is subject to USFSA coaching rules, or safe sport, why isn’t his part in this a bigger deal. For whatever reason, he’s the one who started the whole thing and seems to have no questions being asked of him.
It’s just another reason I think we don’t know enough facts about this.
Do I think that sending the photo was wrong? Absolutely.
That doesn’t mean that I think Morgan should be labelled a sexual predator for life though. Not without more evidence.
While FSU is known for conjecture and making up the details we don’t know ( just look at the thread about Alysa’s coaching change). Sometimes this conjecture is harmless and downright funny, but not in a situation as serious as this.
All I know is that none of us know enough about this particular situation. As is usual on FSU, some have told what they ‘know’, but I’ve seen nothing about this other coach and the dare and nothing about other underage skaters.
A coverup by his coaches? Yes. But not facts about any other crimes from Morgan.
I hope it is all dealt with. If there’s more to it, then there should be a more severe penalty, after it has been fully investigated.
I just find it very strange that more isn’t being made of his part in this. If he is subject to USFSA coaching rules, or safe sport, why isn’t his part in this a bigger deal. For whatever reason, he’s the one who started the whole thing and seems to have no questions being asked of him.
But if it was a request via text, unless the girl’s number was in his phone, he’s just responding to an anonymous text. Stupid, very, very, stupid, but not necessarily something he did knowing her age. If it was just a response to a text it could have been a male or a female, of any age. I’m sure that Morgan has had many such anonymous requests for similar photos.
I’m sorry to hear that this happened to you. It does happen and I totally agree that this is wrong.
I also totally agree that sending a photo of your genitalia to a minor is wrong.
I was also abused, by a stranger when I was 8.
I do see shades of grey though. Not to excuse what has happened, but by not knowing the clear facts here.
I am certain that Morgan, like many young men, would have had requests for similar photos before. Take Morgan out of the equation and whether I think it’s stupid or obscene or worse, it is something increasingly common. I personally don’t understand it, but people can and dowillingly ask for and exchange these sorts of photos.
What I don’t know, in this case, when a text requested a photo, did Morgan know who he was sending it to? Was it just a request from a number not in his phone and he sent the photo anyway? Obviously really stupid, but possible. I don’t think that this is intentionally grooming a child with the intention of taking things further.
Like you, I know some 13 year olds that are definitely little girls. Sadly, I know others who are sexually active at the same age and others still who may not be sexually active, but would still find requesting the photo funny.
This doesn’t even take into account the other coach daring the girl to request the photo and buying her pizza to do it. This is part of the whole thing that I find really bizarre as this person did know what they were doing. This person set Morgan up and thought the whole thing funny.
I know Morgan should have had the sense not to send the photo, but without clearer details I can’t say that he had any particular intentions.
It definitely could be predatory behavior, but without the details, we can’t know this.
I hope that the French Federation can get to the bottom of it all. Is the other coach, the one who dared the girl to ask for the photos French or American? I know that the two coaches who tried to cover it all up are American, but this other coach instigated the whole thing yet we hear little about this.
Is he as sexual predator? Maybe, maybe not. As has been posted both before and after you wrote this, there is a lot of evidence out there suggesting that he knew full well what he was doing, though it isn't clear what his intentions are. Even so, the chances are that he has a psychological problem that will not go away easily: Treating Pedophiles: Therapy Can Work, But It's a Challenge.Do I think that sending the photo was wrong? Absolutely.
That doesn’t mean that I think Morgan should be labelled a sexual predator for life though. Not without more evidence.
Here are two good rules of thumb:I know some 13 year olds that are definitely little girls. Sadly, I know others who are sexually active at the same age and others still who may not be sexually active, but would still find requesting the photo funny.
Just because a girl looks grown up and is sexually active at 13 doesn’t mean she should be. At that age their brains aren’t mature and can’t cope with that level of intimacy despite what their hormones are telling them. Therefore it’s up to adults to do the right thing and protect them.
Exactly my point, it astounds me that predators will still use the old “But she didn’t look/act 13” line. It’s an adult’s responsibility to safeguard these kids, and this girl has been failed by her coaches and club.Even if she looks grown up and is sexually active, she is still 13, a child.
@insideedgeua I would like to clarify that this didn't happen to me, though other things at a later age did. I remember clearly what I was like AS A 13 yo CHILD! Heck even at 17-18 I'd have struggled with boundaries.
Cipres is an adult. He sent a dic pic to a child. There are no grey areas. It doesn't matter if she was sexually active, it doesn't matter if she thought it was funny, or cool, or whatever, it doesn't matter that she requested it. An adult male sent a picture of his genitals to a young girl. There are no extenuating circumstances to ameliorate this.
The more you talk the more it sounds like victim-blaming, and trying to excuse him somehow. I think you are a good example of why girls and women won't report sexual harassment.
So I'm done. I'll continue to read, but as usual I run out of steam for arguing/discussing/whatever. Time management and all that. Thanks @Bigbird, @Amy L, and @okokok777 for your input.
You do you @insideedgeua.
I agree with you. Sending the photos was definitely wrong. I’m not defending that.
What I was questioning was that this doesn’t mean Morgan is a sexual predator who was grooming the girl for sex.
What he has done, in sending the photo to a minor was stupid and wrong, wrong, wrong. I imagine in most countries this will constitute some sort of crime and he should be punished for this. If that also ends his career, then so be it.
I'm going to treat this post in good faith. All the what-ifs you're coming out with with Morgan "not knowing" has been tried many times prior when the news of this first came out. It was pretty established that's not the case and no facts came out to show that any of the suppositions of him blindly sending out a dick pic happened, so you adding to it just comes off as wishful thinking. There's no need to waste one's time with this. He knew exactly who was requesting it, who this girl was, and, further, his coaches knew who she was as well and tried to shame her by saying she was a very mature 13-year-old girl.
To be honest, the fact that you're trying to play his defense attorney when he himself did not proffer any of these defenses is not a good look and it makes you seem like you're trying too hard to minimize the damage here and save Morgan for no reason other than you not wanting to believe Morgan did what he did. It makes me question why you don't want to believe it and why you rather believe the hypotheticals you just made up.
The second, any second, you say "but" when it comes to sexual abuse of a minor you are defending him.
He knew who she was. He knew she was thirteen years old. He knew that. He still chose to send the pic. That is no excuse. It is indefensible. It means he thought sexual content was appropriate in the context of their relationship. If you are not alarmed by that, if you do not see alarm bells for a predator, there is no helping you.
Please see my previous reply to another poster.
I am not defending Morgan. I’m saying this should be investigated properly, not by the French Fed, but by law enforcement, to make sure ALL the facts are found.
I’m fighting against what you are accusing me of, people believing all of the hypotheticals in this thread.
I hope that it is all fully investigated properly and that he is punished for what he has done. If it turns out to be a photo sent once, then punish him for that (as this will still be a crime), if it turns out to be more, then punish him for that.
My whole point was that there have been so many hypotheticals in this thread, that I don’t know what to believe. People have called him a predator, maybe they know more, maybe they don’t. No, I don’t think ‘we’ in the FSU threads have all the facts. There are obviously some people that seem to know more than others, but the rest of us may never truly know if a full investigation doesn’t happen. I don’t trust the French Fed to get to the bottom of it either.
I don't know how this will happen though if Morgan is no longer in the USA.
I will also try not to say any more on this matter though as I seem to be being misinterpreted.
Which seemed to suggest you weren't up for the usual conjecture on these matters but then you went on to make numerous posts doing exactly the things you kind of sneered at in your first post.While FSU is known for conjecture and making up the details we don’t know ( just look at the thread about Alysa’s coaching change). Sometimes this conjecture is harmless and downright funny, but not in a situation as serious as this.
All I know is that none of us know enough about this particular situation. As is usual on FSU, some have told what they ‘know’, but I’ve seen nothing about this other coach and the dare and nothing about other underage skaters.
A coverup by his coaches? Yes. But not facts about any other crimes from Morgan.
"Grooming" isn't necessarily part of a deliberate plan to lure the victim into sexual activity. From my own experience of having been abused by my brothers when they were in their early teens, I can say this:What I was questioning was that this doesn’t mean Morgan is a sexual predator who was grooming the girl for sex.