skatfan
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Well, sometimes it all gets away fro me. I hope I at least said I "thought" you were incorrect. My apologies if I did not.
You did say “I think.” Apology accepted.
Well, sometimes it all gets away fro me. I hope I at least said I "thought" you were incorrect. My apologies if I did not.
That's another subject. The one you're reply to is about LÉquipe and "american bashing", and there was none.I’ll take your word for it, but at the risk of sounding like an American prude, it’s disgusting to downplay how this incident impacts a young girl.
Thank goodness!You did say “I think.” Apology accepted.
Cipres is "privileged old white man"? ..Spectacular example of privileged old white men doing what they do... Call me naive, but I did expect something a little bit more circumspect and neutral as an official response. Wow.
ok. but i still don't see the point what "race, age, social status" has to do with a common tendency to "defend their own", not just in sports..... Another (devil's advocate) view is: the statement is defending the standing and the future of the rare team which includes an African-European skater.I'm pretty sure @Primorskaya was referring to Didier Gailhaguet (I had to copy & paste @cholla's spelling here ).
ok. but i still don't see the point what "race, age, social status" has to do with a common tendency to "defend their own", not just in sports..... Another (devil's advocate) view is: the statement is defending the standing and the future of the rare team which includes an African-European skater.
I think the point is that privileged old white men often protect the status quo rather than advocate for the marginalized voices.
So in this case the elite male pair skater and national champion (where males are given a lot of privileges and status - see the Guardian article) is given some protection by the head of governing body (and corrupt) old white guy against horrific claims by a nobody underage female skater. James doesn’t figure into this so far except as a victim of the fallout.
No. you're are pushing a partisan hard-core left-wing agenda, which has no merit.I think the point is that privileged old white men often protect the status quo rather than advocate for the marginalized voices.
No. you're are pushing a partisan hard-core left-wing agenda, which has no merit.
"Protecting your own" is part of human nature. It happens everywhere on all levels, in politics, sports, business.
Most politicians and sports federations officials in Africa are Black, and in Latin America Latino. There are many scandals, accusations of corruption, FIFA soccer issues is only small example. They all protect "their own".
Kansai University issue between Hamada and Oda. Kansai is protecting Hamada, their own. They are all Japanese/Asian.
Various scandals and accusations in Chinese sports. Changing age of the female gymnasts, 2 judges in FS accused of cheating, etc. Federations protected their own, even cancelled GP in their country in protest. They are Chinese/Asians.
etc.....
yes it is, when one points out the gender, the social class, and the race - that's a left-wing agenda, to appeal for votes to those perceived as "minority" - women, less affluent, non-white.This is not a partisan left/right wing thing. You're just name calling on that.
You see what you chose to see. North Am. and France is a very odd "set" to pick, obviously done for the convenience of trying to make a partisan point.I do notice that in the Western world (the world of North America and France that is the world of what we are talking about with the Cipres allegations) that privilege collects around older, rich, white men (of varying politics) who are protective of what is now rather than listening to marginalized voices. It's especially true in figure skating.
yes, so let's not use "rules for the radicals" and dwell on points 11 and 13. It's too obvious and will get a lash-back. besides, it is usually such bs.....But I do take your point that this kind of thing occurs in many contexts around the world where an old rich white guy is not at the center. I agree with you.
yes it is, when one points out the gender, the social class, and the race - that's a left-wing agenda, to appeal for votes to those perceived as "minority" - women, less affluent, non-white.
yes, so let's not use "rules for the radicals" and dwell on points 11 and 13. It's too obvious and will get a lash-back. besides, it is usually such bs.....
yes it is, when one points out the gender, the social class, and the race - that's a left-wing agenda, to appeal for votes to those perceived as "minority" - women, less affluent, non-white.
I don't think a person needs to be left-wing in order to care about people who are marginalized, oppressed, or disadvantaged. Or recognize their vulnerabilities. At least, I hope not.
The comment was not about "caring". The comment was "racist", "ageist" and "socially discriminating" against a specific group of people, and not true in facts.I don't think a person needs to be left-wing in order to care about people who are marginalized, oppressed, or disadvantaged. Or recognize their vulnerabilities. At least, I hope not.
Cipres is not exactly "privileged" socially as the term often applies. He is of "high value" to the French Figure Skating Federation. It has nothing to do with his age, race, sex, social status.....Nobody's voting. And no, it's not about minorities, it's about who holds the power. In this case with Cipres, privileged
I don't think a person needs to be left-wing in order to care about people who are marginalized, oppressed, or disadvantaged. Or recognize their vulnerabilities. At least, I hope not.
Latest from Christine Brennan:
Olympic figure skater accused of sexual abuse apologized to girl's mother
French Olympic pairs skater Morgan Cipres apologized to the mother of a 13-year-old American skater four weeks after allegedly sending lewd photos.www.usatoday.com
Maybe she didn’t see the apology so she didn’t want to mention it. She has to be careful otherwise she could be sued.That's an odd omission from the original article.
Yes, but the apology doesn’t really specify what he has done.An apology is an admission that something did happen.
If there was any doubt that Morgan didn't do it, there can't be any now.
My heart goes out to these girls and their parents.
FWIW, James/Cipres can be glimpsed in the Queen group number (an abridged version of the televised Ingolstadt show is linked in the "Concert on Ice" GSD thread). They are scheduled to perform in the Oberstdorf show tonight and then the Bolzano, Italy show on January 4th.According to TSL, James/Cipres were cut out of the German television broadcast of their show.
That's an odd omission from the original article.