Christine Brennan

[On My Own]

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Problem is, there is also Dianas public rejection of the notion that she is in any way hampered by her hearing disability. https://www.facebook.com/TheSkating...-thinking-that-im-sick-and-/2449169941871626/. I assume the translation is accurate. If not, it's a whole different problem.

How can anyone believe this?

Yes, I had problems before, because for me people didn't talk clearly and I was shy and didn't talk to anybody, but at some moment I have decided that I'd develop my hearing, I refused to use any devices and everything that they have offered me, I realised that I opened up more and started hearing well. I managed to adapt myself.

You cannot forget it's Russia, and this hack-science style "treatments" probably exist there.

It could of course imply it wasn't a huge problem to begin, or it could mean she's lying to make herself look more conformist and less "damaged". And also seems to place the onus onto the disabled people to "improve".

 

[Sylvia]

Would you be willing to just title this thread "Christine Brennan"?

ETA: Thank you, @On My Own.

 

[barbk]

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How can anyone believe this?


You cannot forget it's Russia, and this hack-science style "treatments" probably exist there.

It could of course imply it wasn't a huge problem to begin, or it could mean she's lying to make herself look more conformist and less "damaged". And also seems to place the onus onto the disabled people to "improve".

Other people "not talking clearly" is a classic symptom of hearing loss.

I have moderately severe hearing loss and am happy to wear good hearing aids. Still, I do a lot of lip reading...and it wasn't until COVID mask-up that I really understood how much lip reading I was doing. Even with lip reading and hearing aids, some people's voices (especially women with higher-pitched voices) are a real struggle to understand. So are certain accents. I do a lot better with people I know well, probably because my brain can more easily figure out the conversation because I understand the context.

If I wasn't wearing hearing aids and someone whose voice I wasn't very familiar with came up and began asking me questions about a stressful and politically fraught situation, I'd probably disengage, too. When you're only capturing accurately about half of what is being said...problems arise.

 

[nylynnr]

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How can anyone believe this?


You cannot forget it's Russia, and this hack-science style "treatments" probably exist there.

It could of course imply it wasn't a huge problem to begin, or it could mean she's lying to make herself look more conformist and less "damaged". And also seems to place the onus onto the disabled people to "improve".

The Brennan-Davis-Smolkin imbroglio happened in the mixed zone in Beijing. Why is it resurfacing now?

 

[Sylvia]

The Brennan-Davis-Smolkin imbroglio happened in the mixed zone in Beijing. Why is it resurfacing now?

Because it was being rehashed and taking the Valieva/CAS hearing (underway in Lausanne) discussion off topic, starting here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...-for-team-medals.109402/page-100#post-6474056

 

[nylynnr]

Because it was being rehashed and taking the Valieva/CAS hearing (underway in Lausanne) discussion off topic, starting here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...-for-team-medals.109402/page-100#post-6474056

Thanks. I would not have thought Davis' hearing loss was related to the CAS hearing, but what do I know. Carry on.

 

[Private Citizen]

How can anyone believe this?

Because Davis said it? If someone says they don't have a disability, I take them at their word. In fact, I think continuing to insist someone has a disability when they themselves say they do not is more offensive than anything Christine Brennan did. Respect people's decision to self-identify or not as a person with a disability.

 

[On My Own]

Because Davis said it?

Respect people's decision to self-identify

So if tomorrow, Davis says she's a purple clown dancing on my rooftop. I should believe her because she said so.

Is your logic, including how someone just tried to hear better and then did so.

Cool.

 

[On My Own]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1839726969015152928

In response to this: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/wnb...k-dijonai-carrington/95ca66a6902c384237480397

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838631449638977816

I know this is not the thread for it in the skating part of the forum, but y'know. It's always fun to be right.

 

[Sylvia]

Editorial by Tom Jones, Poynter’s senior media writer (Sept. 30, 2024):

A USA Today columnist asked a fair question. The WNBA Players Association responded with an out-of-line statement. - Poynter

The WNBA Players Association is trying to protect its players. But in this case, they chose the wrong target and the wrong message.

www.poynter.org

 

[On My Own]

Well it's an opinion piece, so in his own words, we don't need to agree with it

Brennan has done a fair share of exposes on things like sexual abuse - very good. She's also been well criticized for her conduct, an example of which is discussed on this thread.

And this one, I found again by going through the OP quote:

I think she also went after [Nathan Chen], Karen, and Vincent for not commenting well enough for her standards over the Chinese human rights situation? Or at least she went after Nathan. Karen's Taiwanese, but Vincent and Nathan have family in China, wtf are they supposed to say?

 

[Trillian]

Gift link:

https://wapo.st/3BCb6qh

After all the controversy around her coverage of figure skating over the years, it’s been interesting to watch Brennan’s approach to journalism become such a high profile story in a different sport.

 

[OrioleBeagle]

Gift link:

https://wapo.st/3BCb6qh

After all the controversy around her coverage of figure skating over the years, it’s been interesting to watch Brennan’s approach to journalism become such a high profile story in a different s

This interview is one of the few times I give Christine my support. Caitlyn Clark has increased TV ratings and drawn large crowds in every city her team has played on the road. Players from other teams have been brutally knocking her around on the court and the refs have been turning a blind eye. The WNBA quietly announced with no fanfare that she won rookie of the year (because there is so much cattiness and jealousy in the league.)

 

[Sylvia]

"For the second year in a row, US Figure Skating HOF committee snubs Ashley Wagner, a 3-time national champion, world silver medalist and Olympic team bronze medalist. Several sex abuse survivors have told me Wagner, a survivor herself, has been their inspiration to come forward." https://x.com/cbrennansports/status/1855998034926002211

 

[Private Citizen]

"For the second year in a row, US Figure Skating HOF committee snubs Ashley Wagner, a 3-time national champion, world silver medalist and Olympic team bronze medalist. Several sex abuse survivors have told me Wagner, a survivor herself, has been their inspiration to come forward." https://x.com/cbrennansports/status/1855998034926002211

Is it typical for the USFS to induct someone into the Hall of Fame 5-6 years after they've retired? I'd benchmark Wagner against the likes of Michael Weiss, inducted 10+ years after his retirement, or Kyoko Ina (16 years). Not sure if there are better benchmarks.

 

[Debbie S]

Is it typical for the USFS to induct someone into the Hall of Fame 5-6 years after they've retired? I'd benchmark Wagner against the likes of Michael Weiss, inducted 10+ years after his retirement, or Kyoko Ina (16 years). Not sure if there are better benchmarks.

I think 5 years is the minimum eligibility time. From Brennan's tweet, it sounds like last year was Ashley's first year of eligibility. It's pretty standard for Oly medalists to be inducted their first year (MK, Shibs, B/A, D/W, Lysacek, Cohen....), others sometimes take a few more years. Ashley has an Oly medal from the TE, whether that should be considered on the same level as an individual medal is open to interpretation.

Kimmie Meissner was inducted in 2020, 10 years after she retired. Ashley has a few more nat'l titles, World silver instead of gold... I do hope she will be inducted someday (and Gracie Gold too, even though she never won a Senior Worlds medal). If they are snubbing her b/c she's called out USFS on inaction against abuse, then that would certainly say a lot about USFS attitudes toward SafeSport and athlete safety.

 

[Private Citizen]

10-15 years post-retirement seems about right for Wagner. I think it's a bit dramatic for Brennan to call this a "snub." Wagner hardly has a record equivalent to the likes of Kwan, Lysacek, Davis and White, etc. and can't realistically have been expecting induction in her first or second year of eligibility. Team event bronze cannot be considered as comparable to individual medals.

 

[Karen-W]

Honestly, looking at that list, I'm not sure I'd select anyone in Category A. I can easily see the nominees in the other two categories being elected, but none of the others stand out as particularly extraordinary or noteworthy. Someone tell me why I'm wrong.

 

[LeafOnTheWind]

I have no problem believing that USFS would be dumb enough to snub someone for causing trouble by demanding they take sexual assault seriously. I do however have a problem saying that Wagner is being snubbed right now based on her limited time being eligible for the award. If she is never inducted there is a problem. At this point I need hacked emails or other very direct, specific evidence proving the accusation.

I do appreciate Brennan for being the only one reporting on USFS's failure to address assault. This would be a good example of why we need more reporters on the issue. This kind of accusation without proof is kind of muddying the waters and, I feel, hurts the cause.