Canadian Ladies 2017-18 season news & updates

[coppertop1]

Not with Kaetlyn, but with Lacoste and Phaneuf.

In 2012. Kaetlyn was going to Junior Worlds. Lacoste beat Phaneuf at 4cc. She finished 16th. With how Phaneuf had skated that season, I don't think it was a guarantee that she'd have been in the top ten. I can see a skate off when there is one berth, even two, since the all the placements count. But not three, since the lowest placement doesn't count.

 

[Erin]

Skateoffs never makes sense in an Olympic year if you ask me because there is just not enough time.

The other couple of times that Skate Canada has done it were much further ago - 2001 ladies (Nicole Watt finished 2nd at Canadians, Annie Bellemare beat her at 4CC and got the Worlds spot) and 2000 men (Emanuel Sandhu finished second at Canadians, Ben Ferreira beat him at 4CC and got the Worlds spot).

 

[manhn]

Wait, hold up. There was a 4cc skateoff between Eman and Ben friggin Ferreira, but Skate Canada did not think it feasible to have a skateoff in 2004 between Jeff and Ben friggin Ferreira?

 

[Rafter]

It hasn't been Gabby's season . She'll be back.

Safe to say Ladies Figure Skating is no longer Canada's Achilles Heel.

We are looking like we will have two medals at these Worlds, and will send three ladies, three dance teams, two men and two pairs teams. Considering three of our big stars retired, that's pretty good.

It's the men that are.

 

[coppertop1]

It's the men that are.

Yes. Talk about a reversal. Our ladies may be our strongest discipline now, ladies and ice dancing.

 

[screech]

Wait, hold up. There was a 4cc skateoff between Eman and Ben friggin Ferreira, but Skate Canada did not think it feasible to have a skateoff in 2004 between Jeff and Ben friggin Ferreira?

In 2000, Emanuel didn't have much of a BOW - he and Ben were about the same based on international experience.

In 2004, Ben had somewhat proven himself internationally. Not to Jeff's level, but he wasn't without experience. Jeff was also still recovering from very serious food poisoning, so I don't think they had a whole lot of hope for him to be back to top shape in time for worlds - IIRC he lost about 10 lbs due to his illness. Yes Jeff beat Ben at 4CC, but IIRC, he didn't have his greatest skates there, and Ben's showing wasn't too bad.

 

[manhn]

Jeff WON 4CC, with a less than stellar skate.

 

[fsfann]

No, I think they should have had a skate off at 4CC with Larkyn and Alaine and I am sure Alaine would have had a higher international showing. She has more experience, including a Grand Prix medal.

If Alaine had had at least one decent skate this year (grand prix circuit) then I’m thinking Skate Canada May have tried to maneouver things for her to be the third spot. But she didn’t. The season was a disaster from start to finish. I agree that a reasonably clean Alaine is stronger than a clean Austrian, but that alaine was not around this year (or last, really).

 

[screech]

Was just looking at Kaetlyn's wikipedia page - I'd known she was Canada's first women's world champion since Magnussen, but I hadn't realized she's also the first Canadian woman since Magnussen to have multiple world medals!

Also, hadn't realized until watching the CBC broadcast, that if Alina had won, she'd be the first woman since Yamaguchi to win O's and Worlds in the same year.

 

[puglover]

At Nationals, many of us wanted it so badly for Alaine but she just didn't do it. I feel Larkyn rightfully came out ahead and any other decision by Skate Canada would have smacked of politics. I think that third spot, earned for a Canadian woman, should be great incentive for those coming up to believe in themselves and give it their all. If a young woman from Marystown, Newfoundland - not seemingly with huge financial backing - one who has had to budget and skate smart -one who suffered numerous injuries (one almost career ending), can become World Champion - then why not you. When I first really became a fan of skating, the networks skipped ladies and didn't broadcast much if any of them. My first Canadians, my daughter and I went shopping during the ladies as they honestly all looked like they had something wrong with them, they fell so much. We've come a long way, baby, thanks to many who have paved the road brick by brick, let's continue to build on this.

 

[IloveFS]

It hasn't been Gabby's season . She'll be back.

I couldn't agree with you more. Hopefully, she'll return next season healthy and with great programs! I cannot wait to see her quad toe!

 

[IloveFS]

Safe to say Ladies Figure Skating is no longer Canada's Achilles Heel.

We are looking like we will have two medals at these Worlds, and will send three ladies, three dance teams, two men and two pairs teams. Considering three of our big stars retired, that's pretty good.

I think there is a chance Kaetlyn will retire!

 

[IloveFS]

If Alaine had had at least one decent skate this year (grand prix circuit) then I’m thinking Skate Canada May have tried to maneouver things for her to be the third spot. But she didn’t. The season was a disaster from start to finish. I agree that a reasonably clean Alaine is stronger than a clean Austrian, but that alaine was not around this year (or last, really).

I suspect Chartrand will stick around until 2022. I doubt that Austman will make another Olympic or world team.

 

[mag]

I am looking forward to seeing what Alicia Pinneault looks like next season. I see potential there and I think the whole Olympic thing messed with her this year, but I would not be surprised to see her on the National podium next year.

 

[Rafter]

I think there is a chance Kaetlyn will retire!

She did a CBC Facebook interview with PJ Kwong and it sounds like she's continuing.

 

[fsfann]

At Nationals, many of us wanted it so badly for Alaine but she just didn't do it. I feel Larkyn rightfully came out ahead and any other decision by Skate Canada would have smacked of politics. I think that third spot, earned for a Canadian woman, should be great incentive for those coming up to believe in themselves and give it their all. If a young woman from Marystown, Newfoundland - not seemingly with huge financial backing - one who has had to budget and skate smart -one who suffered numerous injuries (one almost career ending), can become World Champion - then why not you. When I first really became a fan of skating, the networks skipped ladies and didn't broadcast much if any of them. My first Canadians, my daughter and I went shopping during the ladies as they honestly all looked like they had something wrong with them, they fell so much. We've come a long way, baby, thanks to many who have paved the road brick by brick, let's continue to build on this.

Yes to this. Our darkest days were 1995. Netty Kim won the Nationals in Halifax with maybe two clean triples and a bunch of landed doubles. It was such a horrible competition. The ladies wouldn't even try triples....

 

[IloveFS]

She did a CBC Facebook interview with PJ Kwong and it sounds like she's continuing.

Yes, it did sound like she is planning to continue. I am surprised because earlier in the season she wasn't as committed to continuing after this season. Obviously, I viewed the interview with PJ after posting the comment in this thread.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Canadian Ladies in the Top 24 SB after Worlds:

• 3-Osmond (Also 1st at Worlds )
• 20-Daleman (Also 7th at Worlds)

Next is Chartrand (54).

 

[danafan]

Canadian Ladies in the Top 24 SB after Worlds:

• 3-Osmond (Also 1st at Worlds )
• 20-Daleman (Also 7th at Worlds)

Next is Chartrand (54).

Any chance Chartrand will get a non host pick Grand Prix? Not sure how low they usually go on initial selections.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Any chance Chartrand will get a non host pick Grand Prix? Not sure how low they usually go on initial selections.

In the initial selection, her chances are not that great, unless Skate Canada deals for her with USFS. If she were located in Europe, she'd have a great chance to be snagged by Gailhaguet, and if she were from Eastern Europe, she'd have a chance for RC, but she's expensive to ship anywhere but the USA, and at the last SA, the only skaters not in the Top 24 SB were in the were: X. Li (40, 14th at Worlds), Rajikova (39, trains in NJ), Sakhanovich (42, subbing at the last minute for Pogorilaya), and Tennell (49, but a host spot).

 

[screech]

Canadian Ladies in the Top 24 SB after Worlds:

• 3-Osmond (Also 1st at Worlds )
• 20-Daleman (Also 7th at Worlds)

Next is Chartrand (54).

Kaetlyn is also ranked first in world standings (about 100 points overall ahead of Medvedeva). Gabby is 10 in the world standings, Alaine 34. There are some other Canadians in between, but Larkyn is ranked 188.

 

[kwanfan1818]

For GP, the 2015-16 points will be dropped, and the 2016-17 points will be factored by 70%. Medvedeva has more points than Osmond to drop from 2015-16.

There are still three competitions listed where there are international points to be had. Balkan Cup just says "Singles," Egna says senior Ladies, Men, and Pairs, and Triglav says senior Ladies and Men.

ETA: Without the final three events, these are the Top 30 I get. I don't remember how they do the rounding, ie, add and round, or round each one (which I did) or trim, etc., which could flip #24 and #25, if they do it differently. Bold means they are not on the Top 24 SB list and didn't place Top 12 at Worlds:

1-Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN): 4174​

2-Evgenia MEDVEDEVA (RUS): 3860​

3-Alina ZAGITOVA (RUS): 3470​

4-Wakaba HIGUCHI (JPN): 3366​

5-Maria SOTSKOVA (RUS): 3250​

6-Carolina KOSTNER (ITA): 3212​

7-Mai MIHARA (JPN): 3089​

8-Satoko MIYAHARA (JPN): 2863​

9-Kaori SAKAMOTO (JPN): 2595​

10-Gabrielle DALEMAN (CAN): 2546​

11-Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA (KAZ): 2375​

12-Karen CHEN (USA): 2274 (SB 35)​

13-Mirai NAGASU (USA): 2066​

14-Mariah BELL (USA): 1943​

15-Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA (RUS): 1870​

16-Bradie TENNELL (USA): 1858​

17-Rika HONGO (JPN): 1848 (SB 31)​

18-Dabin CHOI (KOR): 1703​

19-Marin HONDA (JPN): 1658​

20-Nicole SCHOTT (GER): 1627 (SB 50)​

21-Laurine LECAVELIER (FRA): 1579 (SB 51)​

22-Loena HENDRICKX (BEL): 1529​

23-Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS): 1508​

24-Nicole RAJICOVA (SVK): 1473 (SB 47)​

25-Elena RADIONOVA (RUS): 1469​

26-Anna POGORILAYA (RUS): 1433​

27-Emmi PELTONEN (FIN): 1414​

28-Yuna SHIRAIWA (JPN): 1370​

29-Mae Berenice MEITE (FRA): 1340​

30-Anita ÖSTLUND (SWE): 1312​

​

Chartrand drops to 36 on my list.

If Kostner does retire, then they should bump Schott up one to be guaranteed two GPs.

 

[Scrufflet]

Yes to this. Our darkest days were 1995. Netty Kim won the Nationals in Halifax with maybe two clean triples and a bunch of landed doubles. It was such a horrible competition. The ladies wouldn't even try triples....

I remember the pain of it! IIRC, everyone fell; it was the "deer caught in the headlights" competition. Some were taking bets on the number of falls each skater would have. Liz Manley was beside herself and shouted at one of them to"get up and fight". Whenever I see Americans putting down their female skaters, I think of this and want to tell them to knock it off because you have no idea! So grateful for the turn in the tide! And our women have worked for it!

 

[pat c]

I remember the pain of it! IIRC, everyone fell; it was the "deer caught in the headlights" competition. Some were taking bets on the number of falls each skater would have. Liz Manley was beside herself and shouted at one of them to"get up and fight". Whenever I see Americans putting down their female skaters, I think of this and want to tell them to knock it off because you have no idea! So grateful for the turn in the tide! And our women have worked for it!

Yes they have. I didn't think I'd see a Cdn woman on top of the podium, I was so happy last year. This worlds has been a very pleasant surprise. (understatement)

 

[Rock2]

Just wow, sums it up. I'll add two things:

1. This may have been mentioned as I only scrolled back a few pages, but too bad Choi didn't WD in time for Larkyn to be promoted somehow to skate the LP. Bad luck upon bad luck.

2. KO wasn't planning on winning world's (or Olympics) this year I don't think, but now that she has, her resume is looking an awful lot like that of Buttle. Despite anything she may be saying at the moment, I wonder if emerging $$ opportunities and a refreshed look at her realistic goals in the next few months cause her to consider retirement...or taking a year off?

 

[mag]

This may have been mentioned as I only scrolled back a few pages, but too bad Choi didn't WD in time for Larkyn to be promoted somehow to skate the LP. Bad luck upon bad luck.

I realize I have been critical of Austman and her team, but I do completely agree with her selection to both the Olympic and the Worlds teams. She showed up prepared and ready to fight at Nationals and that means a lot. That said, I think long run, not qualifying through in both events (versus just qualifying at Worlds because of a withdrawal) may be better in the long run. Austman seems like a competitive person and I am sure she is totally pissed that she missed the cut off. That anger may propel her to make the kind of changes that need to be made so that she is in a better position next season. There are lots of good things about her skating and there are lots of things to work on. If missing qualifying gives her the drive, and maybe even the voice, to make changes, that will be a good thing for her and a good thing for the Canadian ladies.

 

[DE93]

Just wow, sums it up. I'll add two things:

1. This may have been mentioned as I only scrolled back a few pages, but too bad Choi didn't WD in time for Larkyn to be promoted somehow to skate the LP. Bad luck upon bad luck.

2. KO wasn't planning on winning world's (or Olympics) this year I don't think, but now that she has, her resume is looking an awful lot like that of Buttle. Despite anything she may be saying at the moment, I wonder if emerging $$ opportunities and a refreshed look at her realistic goals in the next few months cause her to consider retirement...or taking a year off?

I believe (based on a facebook or instagram post) that Kaetlyn has already had her short program choreographed for next season, no?

 

[kalamalka]

I believe (based on a facebook or instagram post) that Kaetlyn has already had her short program choreographed for next season, no?

She said in her interview with PJ that she doesn't have either programs or even music choices for next year yet, and is thus behind where she was last year post-Worlds. She also mentioned at some point that between Olys and Worlds she'd gone to have a new SOI program choreographed by Jeff Buttle.

2. KO wasn't planning on winning world's (or Olympics) this year I don't think, but now that she has, her resume is looking an awful lot like that of Buttle. Despite anything she may be saying at the moment, I wonder if emerging $$ opportunities and a refreshed look at her realistic goals in the next few months cause her to consider retirement...or taking a year off?

The Worlds win (and how unlikely a repeat is) may cause her to reconsider, but it's pretty clear that her plan had been to continue. In comparison with Buttle when he won in 2008, she's quite a bit younger and has really just been back from her injuries for the last two seasons. She's also still improving, especially in her ability to compete. Buttle's win came two years after his Olympic bronze, and three years after his only previous Worlds medal. He'd also just lost Canadians to rapidly-rising 18 year old Patrick.

 

[DE93]

She said in her interview with PJ that she doesn't have either programs or even music choices for next year yet, and is thus behind where she was last year post-Worlds. She also mentioned at some point that between Olys and Worlds she'd gone to have a new SOI program choreographed by Jeff Buttle.

Ahhh, I see. My mistake!

 

[nimi]

In comparison with Buttle when he won in 2008, she's quite a bit younger and has really just been back from her injuries for the last two seasons. She's also still improving, especially in her ability to compete. Buttle's win came two years after his Olympic bronze, and three years after his only previous Worlds medal. He'd also just lost Canadians to rapidly-rising 18 year old Patrick.

This, and also Kaetlyn has home-country Worlds to look forward to in 2 years.