Canadian Ladies 2017-18 season news & updates

ChiquitaBanana said:
After having watched Pineault’s lp at 4CC, I keep asking to myself what she could achieve more if she was with Orser. Yvars has done a good job as she has great lines, flexibility and power, but she needs to be in a competitive environment so she can blossom fully. I see many great things in her, but she is not yet cooked and 18 is a very good age to make that move. It’s now or never, prepraing for 5e next quads and being where Daleman is now.
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Does Yvars not have multiple top students? I think anybody going to Orser's is a great idea if they are committed to working and improving but also Yvan Desjardins has a lot of top students and besides the technical side he seems to concentrate on performance, lines and skating skills.
 
I'm glad Chartrand ended her season on a positive note and my biggest hope for her is that she can find a good permanent coaching situation for next season. Under rotations are still clearly a problem for her. However had she skated like she did at 4CC all season...sigh.

I sincerely she hope she can find a stable, permanent training base and come back strong next season.

It was so fun to watch Michelle Long skate at 4CC. Her reactions were priceless and she killed her overall personal best and season's best scores. I hope she will continue at least one more season.

Not everyone peaks at the same age so it's unfair to compare. I mean when Daleman was Cotop's age she was second in Canada in seniors and top 6 at junior worlds and a JGP medalist. If Cotop doesn't reach that right away it doesn't mean she won't. She has good potential. Of course I'm the Canadian ladies uber so I think all of our international skaters are going to win worlds one day :P

I'm not willing to give up on any of them just because they had a bad day.
 
I'm glad Alaine had a decent skate at 4CC. This year, particularly at Skate Canada, I noticed how tense, nervous and miserable she looks when she skates. I don't ever really remember seeing that in her before. I hope she finds some stability in her training.
 
In the LTAD (long-term athlete development), we know athletes reach two peaks, the second one being at around 20. Coaches and skaters have to seize the opportunity to maximize their physical gain in that time frame.
 
barbarafan said:
Does Yvars not have multiple top students?
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If you can't name them by heart, that tells a lot. I am sure he has good skaters, but I'm talking about international skaters because that's where I'd like Pineault to be : scoring high on the international circuit.
 
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ChiquitaBanana said:
If you can't name them by heart, that tels a lot. I am sure he has good skaters, but I'm talking about international skaters because that's where I'd like Pineault to be : scoring high on the international circuit.
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Well yvans Desjardins does and it is closer to home. Both Emy Decelles and Alicia Pineault are 1,2 in Quebec competitions and improving. They both are scoring well but need to be sent to international competitions.
 
barbarafan said:
Well yvans Desjardins does and it is closer to home. Both Emy Decelles and Alicia Pineault are 1,2 in Quebec competitions and improving. They both are scoring well but need to be sent to international competitions.
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It could be an option but I think there are other options to consider too.
 
Winnipeg said:
It does seem a tad early to write them off
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Sorry, I wasn’t actually writing them off. It is more that there tend to be a lot of skaters leaving the sport at this level. The work and commitment to get from where Gran and Pineault are to the next level is huge. These are teenagers who often decide they don’t want to spend their days in a rink. It wasn’t meant to be a slight to the skaters, more of a general comment.

jersey1302 said:
Austman, needs some serious work on her PCS, shes missing the feeling in her programs, she looks super nervous too. I dont know if thats whats holding her back? Austman isnt young either. Shes 19, will be 20 next season. Its not like shes just 15 coming into sr for the first time.
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She has nice programs, but she has had basically the same short for three years. The original long for this year (Great Gastby) was a bit different, but Les Miz is the same as Phantom which was the same as whatever the previous year was. I would love to see her really branch out and try something different next season. I understand playing it safe in an Olympic year, but for next year it would be nice to see something with more emphasis on turns and edges in the transitions along with a different tempo.

Osmond4gold said:
Yes I agree, but also, she left skating for over a year, started coaching and then wanted to make a come back. So at 19, I think she has missed a couple of years to refine/mature. Comps. are the best way to progress and to motivate. Austman in social media this year declared, "This Is My Year". I have seen much improvement in her jumps and her command of programs, and with an Olympic experience under her belt, she def. has achieved her goals for the year.
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Austman was not off for over a year. She left in the late fall and was back training in the early spring. Around here that is know as the skating time machine. Skating parents will say that there child has lost a month of training time (usually as an excuse for a bad comp) when they were off for a week. I don’t think it is Austman saying it was over a year, I think it is just one of those things that has got exaggerated.
 
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mag said:
Austman was not off for over a year. She left in the late fall and was back training in the early spring.
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Really mag? Would you not call a fall-spring, a season? Esp. given the demands of an elite athlete who took off 4/5 months, returning to the sport and the effort that must have taken to get there.

As she has said previously, Kaetlyn has been her inspiration.
 
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Osmond4gold said:
Really mag? Would you not call that a season? Esp. given the demands of an elite athlete who took off 4/5 months in a peak period, to then come back, and the effort and toll that must take.

As she has said previously, Kaetlyn has been her inspiration.
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I would call it 4 to 5 months which is significantly different than “over a year” which infers over 12 months. I have not seen Austman call it “over a year” either. There is a huge difference between taking the competitive part of the season off (challenge, Nationals,) and taking that plus the entire off season plus the next sectionals and challenge off. Was it hard to come back, I am sure it was. Did she have to dig deep and figure out what she wanted, yep. But there is a significant difference. Just like there is a difference between time off to decide what you want to do (Austman) and time off because of a significant injury (Osmond.) There is no judgment. Just facts.

This came about because you made a comment that she “missed a couple of years to refine/mature.” That is simply incorrect.
 
mag said:
I would call it 4 to 5 months which is significantly different than “over a year” which infers over 12 months. I have not seen Austman call it “over a year” either. There is a huge difference between taking the competitive part of the season off (challenge, Nationals,) and taking that plus the entire off season plus the next sectionals and challenge off. Was it hard to come back, I am sure it was. Did she have to dig deep and figure out what she wanted, yep. But there is a significant difference. Just like there is a difference between time off to decide what you want to do (Austman) and time off because of a significant injury (Osmond.) There is no judgment. Just facts.

This came about because you made a comment that she “missed a couple of years to refine/mature.” That is simply incorrect.
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I guess Mag, we have a difference in opinions, as to me, she quit competing mentally/physically/emotionally, and it takes a while to get back what was lost in terms on physical ability, momentum, competitive edge and passion.

It's a long road returning to 'the show', after a season out (insert Cynthia Phaneuf or Kaetlyn Osmond here).
 
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RoseRed said:
He coaches Nicolas Nadeau and Joseph Phan as well as Emy Decelles.
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The discussion was about Alicia Pinneault's coach Yvars....poster thought she should move to Orser to train with international competiters and I asked if Yvars had int'l competitors..(I am not really familiar with him at all. I suggest Yvans Desjardins as he has sucessful int'l competitors at his school.
 
I'm pleased for coach Robert Burk - it's been a while (I think) since he's had a student attend an ISU Championship (both Michelle Long and Nam Nguyen this week).
 
coppertop1 said:
So Alaine's family bought tickets when the season just started? Wow. Ever heard of not counting your chickens? That's insane. I could understand of Kaetlyn or Gabby's family did that. They were a lock. What will the Chartrands do with those tickets now?

I feel for Alaine but she didn't get the job done. A definite change is needed.
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I agree a change is needed. And that is so telling in the K&C... its always soooo awkward in every K&C...

Also, I wish Alaine would skate with joy instead of that constant look of worry...... It takes away from everything.....
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
And that is so telling in the K&C... its always soooo awkward in every K&C...
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I will give credit to Joanne for at least being supportive to Alaine at 4CC in the K&C. She was going out of her way to be positive and say nice things and I was happy to see that, especially given how things have looked in the K&C with previous coaches. Still don’t think she should stick with her though (if that’s even the plan).
 
victorskid said:
I sent her a tweet about it too :)

Her skate wasn't even mentioned on the CBC broadcast :(
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Of course it wasn’t. Michelle is one of those skaters I feel is really overlooked by SC. Yes, she is older than some and was a late bloomer, but why should that matter? Just base decisions on how people actually skate rather than some strange interpretation of potential. IMHO Michelle has just as much potential as the other 5 or so Canadian ladies not named Kaetlyn or Gabby and she is clearly willing to work hard to improve.

ETA: because I can’t seem to read!!
 
victorskid said:
I sent her a tweet about it too :)

Her skate wasn't even mentioned on the CBC broadcast :(
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It was a horrible broadcast.
They also did not mention or show any cdn pairs at all,,including I/M who came 4th.They only show the N.Korean pair who came 3rd and it is not like they did not have a skilled commentator in pairs,, David Pelletier was there.
In dance they showed only highlights of Saucisse/Firus who are Cdn and got the silver medal.
They used to show top 3 competitors plus all Cdns. This is really bad news.
 
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