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I dont think Holly has been a beast in comps. One of the two HOHs she won was rolling a ball, and she hasn't won any vetoes or Whacktivity comps.
I wonder if we maybe didn’t see some thinking ahead on Cliff’s part and he already has it all figured out. I wouldn’t doubt it. But would they actually go after Holly anyways? Cliff has wanted Tommy out forever, but we did see him scheming during the few minutes of the double to suggest Christie needed to go.Nicole said last night she wins veto she would take Cliff off.
In one sense with the big reveal Tommy now sort of becomes a goat so in theory this should be a good plan. The flip side though is if Nicole/Cliff betray Holly/Jackson I am sure both vote Tommy over both Nicole/Cliff for sure now even after the reveal, and I am sure Christie/Sis/Jack all still would so both would lose to Tommy in a F2 then as that is 5 votes minimum even with most of the jury probably pissed about the reveal. I guess they don't have a better choice though, their options are limited even with things going well for them.Nicole won veto. She said she’s using it even though cliff told her not to. They NEED to vote Holly out. Look at her coming on strong at the end.
ETA- if holly goes, Jackson can’t play in the next HOH and even though the veto is the important part, Cliff and Nicole really could pull Tommy in at this point and try for a F3 with him. Jackson knows this and Holly said she wasn’t even trying to win veto really. Dumb.
They obviously thought of the scenario I just broke down. Tommy would have 3 votes (Christie, Jack, Sis) guaranteed no matter what. There isn't a chance on earth any of those don't vote Tommy, especialy over Nicole or Cliff. So if he is guaranteed Jackson and Holly too now (after they are betrayed) neither would stand a chance against him in a Final 2 which means going to Final 3 with him (and probably with Jackson too) they need to win the final HOH since even if they are taken they are losing for certain.SO HAPPY for Nicole beasting the BB Comics veto. Sounds like Tommy came in second with Michie close behind him. She and Cliff just discussed all the scenarios and they mentioned how it wouldn't really help them to boot Holly now because she and Michie would both be pissed at them and consequently wouldn't vote for them in the end. They just have to kill it in the veto, which I think is often the remembering days one. If so, Nicole and Cliff definitely have a good shot at it.
I don't understand why that would even be such a big worry though. Seriously I don't get this cast at all. Awful dumb group all around. Another season like the last 3 and I am done with Big Brother, the show has never been worse.Cliff’s main stress is Tommy playing in HOH and veto next week as opposed to Holly. I think he’s not even worried about the veto part as much as Tommy winning HOH and saving himself, getting him into the top 3.
Someone commented on a post I made in a Facebook group saying Cliff is pushing for Tommy to leave because apparently he has a final 3 deal with Holly and Michie, which, to me, would read as him throwing the veto next week so that he wouldn’t have to evict Nicole (of course as long as she’s not HOH).I don't understand why that would even be such a big worry though. Seriously I don't get this cast at all. Awful dumb group all around. Another season like the last 3 and I am done with Big Brother, the show has never been worse.
That is laughable. He literally wants to go to Final 3 with a power couple and showmance who beast competitions, and who NEVER take him over each other, and who both might beat him in a Final 2 over someone he probably beats and would be loyal to him first (Nicole) and now someone else who might be and after the big reveal he might also now be able to beat (Tommy). Well probably still loses to Tommy even now, but wanting Nicole out at 4 and wanting Final 3 with Holly/Jackson is dumb. Maybe he thinks they will view him as a goat and even vote out their showmance and take him, but if he thinks that he is delusional from the private conversations they are having where Jackson says he doesn't think he would beat Cliff in a Final 2. He would never take Cliff over Holly, and vice versa.Someone commented on a post I made in a Facebook group saying Cliff is pushing for Tommy to leave because apparently he has a final 3 deal with Holly and Michie, which, to me, would read as him throwing the veto next week so that he wouldn’t have to evict Nicole (of course as long as she’s not HOH).
Does anyone know if this was an actual (recent) discussion and I missed it? Or did he say it to save himself and now he’s going to sit back and let everyone else do everything?
They were but given that Jackson/Holly were part of voting Cliff out on like Day 30 in a close vote it was obviously a BS alliance at that point.I thought Cliff, Hollie, and Michie were part of some "Southern Alliance" way back in the day but I didn't think it was seriously taken.
Nicole needs to push the idea on Cliff. If they pussy out here I actually want a Jackson/Holly Final 2 and fully expect it.Nicole told the cameras that, after all, she wants to get Holly out (of course she will probably change her mind 20 times by Thursday). I guess this shows Cliff’s cards, because he could always go against her and split the vote, in which Jackson would obviously keep Holly. I guess that would be the leverage Cliff needs with Holly and Jackson for them to choose to keep him if one were to get veto.