Artur Dmitriev's short program jump combination.

[aussieSKATES]

We thought this particular jump combination was impossible.

But Russia's Artur Dmitriev has proven us wrong.

Validated by the judging panel, the skater successfully landed a triple lutz - triple flip in his short program at the 2018 ISU Challenger Series - Nebelhorn Trophy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSSkLufAcg8

 

[SmallFairy]

Go Junior!

 

[Sylvia]

BIG thanks to @antmanb for posting the 2 video links (both cued up to the 3Lz+3F combo) in the Nebelhorn Trophy Men's SP thread yesterday:

Oh my goodness I couldn't believe that when I read it, here's the link. The triple lutz with that deliberate LBI landing was soooooooo well done: https://youtu.be/0VSdHeQQmCY?t=68

And the slow mo of it: https://youtu.be/0VSdHeQQmCY?t=269

I don't understand the negative GOEs at all! Did some judges think he changed feet in order to do the combo?

ETA: @gkelly over the years we've talked about a combination rather than a sequence ending in a flip or sal without a half loop in between and here it is!

3Lz+3F has 11.20 base value and Dmitriev received +0.24 with GOEs ranging from -2 to +2 (2 -1 1 2 -2 -1 1) = 11.44 points.

 

[Minou]

Nice to see dad there.

 

[bardtoob]

Wow! I appreciate the innovation!

 

[Emerald66]

It was very well done. Congrats to Artur jr.

 

[Seerek]

Brian Pockar attempted the one foot triple salchow/double flip combination in the short program at 1978 Skate Canada.

https://youtu.be/HqqcCAAoEp0

 

[Seerek]

If we are to believe this tweet from Randy Gardner, we could be seeing more of these combinations (and not sequences) in the future...

https://twitter.com/theRandyGardner/status/1046763390805266433?s=19

...and a nice shout out to Brian Pockar from none other than Robin Cousins on the 2F/3S combo from the video above...

https://twitter.com/TheRobinCousins/status/1046803644367147009?s=19

 

[screech]

Though this allows for a higher base score (harder second jump), the downside is how it affects the GOE, since technically the first jump is landed on the incorrect edge. Meaning it would be impossible to receive really high GOE for the element, even if executed flawlessly.

 

[Deleted member 19433]

Though this allows for a higher base score (harder second jump), the downside is how it affects the GOE, since technically the first jump is landed on the incorrect edge. Meaning it would be impossible to receive really high GOE for the element, even if executed flawlessly.

The first jump in a combination (with more than one revolution) can be landed on either foot per the rules, so there shouldn't be an automatic GOE reduction applied for landing on the wrong edge if such a combination were executed "flawlessly" (when landing on the opposite foot, the inside edge would be the correct landing edge).

 

[Vagabond]

https://youtu.be/0VSdHeQQmCY?t=70
http://www.deu-event.de/results/Nebelhorn_2018/CSGER2018_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
https://www.isu.org/docman-document...munications/17142-isu-communication-2168/file

Two of the seven judges gave Dmitriev GOE of +2 for a combination in which he landed leaning forward on each jump (warranting GOE reductions of -1 to -3 per jump). With better landing positions, he could be getting GOE of +4 or+5.

 

[Marco]

I wonder why there is no bonus for fighting your instinct or muscle memory and landing a jump on the other foot or edge. These kinds of innovative risk-taking should be rewarded, not marked down.

They make it a feature when you spin in both directions, and it used to be a feature that you start with the back spin first. I wonder why this doesn't extend to jumps.

 

[Coco]

This is amazing!!!

 

[soogar]

I think this is the direction skating needs to go in. There are only so many revolutions skaters can do so there should be bonuses for jumping in both directions and innovative combinations.