8 Killed in Astroworld Festival crowd crush

Apparently several people tried to alert this Travis Scott person that there was a crush and people were dying, but he ignored them. He had also been encouraging the crowd to push forward.

And it's not the first time there's been a crush at one of his events, either.

Sounds like somebody should be in jail...
 
This is heartbreaking :(

I used to go to festivals when I was about 16 and I remember going into a full panic attack at a festival when the already packed crowd suddenly surged metres forward, and having to be crowd surfed to the front and caught by security. I never went near the middle/front again. And that was nowhere near as severe as what happened at Astroworld, it must have been absolutely terrifying for everyone.
 
misskarne said:
Apparently several people tried to alert this Travis Scott person that there was a crush and people were dying, but he ignored them. He had also been encouraging the crowd to push forward.

And it's not the first time there's been a crush at one of his events, either.

Sounds like somebody should be in jail...
Click to expand...
I've also seen video where Scott stopped the performance to alert medical personal to someone in the crowd that was in trouble. This is not the first issue of this type to occur at this event, so it seems like something in the way the crowd set up is done is not safe.
 
Don't the have security regulations in the US for festivals and stuff like that?

I can't image someone who's held an unsafe festival before getting an "allowance" again in Germany?!

50.000 don't seem like a very high number of people for a concert, so I assume the main problem must be the fan/artist dynamic somehow and some really bad preparation?!

I don't think they do big concerts anymore here without the audience being in seperated segments anyway, so the size of "crowds" is sort of limited anyway. and then you get into the best segments only when you buy the most expensive tickets and they have all those early entry tickets, I think it sort of takes out a bit of the competition for the best spots, because most people know in advance they won't be in front anyway. That was Ed Sheeran with 100.000 viewers in Germany some years ago, you can sort of see that there's seperators between different audience parts:

I also think they don't pack spaces that much anymore in terms of people per square meter. I remember feeling very packed when i went to concerts with standing audience up until the 90s, so I avoided them for quite some years, but when I did them again starting in about 2018, I always felt everything to be rather spacey, even though it's the same sort of bands/singers.

Usually with bigger concerts and festivals here people only complain about the toilets and getting their car out of the parking lot afterwards.
 
How does that not fit with I wrote?

With Love Parade, there were no problems with this festival before that tragedy happened (also probably because before that year it was never held in such a badly inappropriate venue with such irresponsible and negligent planning in advance)

But as far as I understood this festival DID already cause problems before, so it seems weird nothing was changed earlier.

I also can imagine that many of the changes at German events in the last decades were due to this tragedy, so hopefully the same will happen in the US now after this event.
 
If you read an actual article about it, the authorities in Texas did a lot to try to prevent something like this from happening and seemed pretty well prepared, which makes it even sadder that this happened despite their efforts. But it's fun to spread stereotypes I guess.
 
michalle said:
If you read an actual article about it, the authorities in Texas did a lot to try to prevent something like this from happening and seemed pretty well prepared, which makes it even sadder that this happened despite their efforts. But it's fun to spread stereotypes I guess.
Click to expand...
I did read the article. It describes measures that could have been taken to prevent this sort of thing, but it doesn't indicate that any of those measures were in place for this event in spite of a similar incident two years ago where several were injured, and one person being injured in a crowd surge earlier in the day. There have been numerous examples over the past few years where a lax regulatory environment in Texas has led to preventable death and injury, and nothing has been done to address these issues. A stereotype can be helpful for communicating a complex issue in a simplified manner, particularly when a exhaustive discussion of the legislative, and political issues that have prevented Texas from taking steps to prevent such incidents seem outside the scope of this thread.
 
From memory (have to go, no time to go look at the article right now), some of the key details were that they were aware that there were potential issues because of what happened last time, hired extra personnel (security), had a large medical staff and several ambulances on hand, the police chief talked to Travis Scott personally before the event, and they had a 56 page emergency plan detailing various potential scenarios for different kinds of emergencies that could happen.
 
michalle said:
From memory (have to go, no time to go look at the article right now), some of the key details were that they were aware that there were potential issues because of what happened last time, hired extra personnel (security), had a large medical staff and several ambulances on hand, the police chief talked to Travis Scott personally before the event, and they had a 56 page emergency plan detailing various potential scenarios for different kinds of emergencies that could happen.
Click to expand...

Not questioning that those were the plans that were in place. But from what I was reading on Twitter from people who were there, very little of that seemed to happen. Apparently a lot of the people that were hired as "medical staff" didn't even know basic first aid like how to take pulse rates or how to do CPR.
 
I watched the coverage on Chris Cuomo'sshow on CNN last night. They were saying this is a criminal investigation now. They interviewed two men who were at the concert but were able to escape without a physical injury. I am sure they suffered from mental injuries.

In general, I don't Like to be in a crowd. When I hear about things like this one, I think it is good to avoid crowds.
 
For me, it's not such a complex issue. How many unmonitored teenagers were in this crowd?
How many of the teens and young adults were likely over-excited about being at a concert after so much downtime with quarantining?
What has happened at Scott's previous concerts? He encouraged crowd surges. He encouraged concertgoers to crash or jump over security barriers. He gets the crowds excited, moshing, etc.

Result: the disaster that happened.
Result: law suits. Well deserved against Scott and the organizations promoting him (they were not ignorant about his concerts and what has happened in the past) and not much consolation for the families who lost their loved ones.
Result: Scott offering to pay for funerals, and other compensation. That does not replace a lost life.
Result: hopefully, change to the point that parents do not allow their underage teens to attend these events without a responsible adult in tow. Organizations stop supporting any event that could get out of control. Think before you leap, and put person's safety ahead of monetary gains.
 
I personally don’t know anything about Scott .. but I don’t think he personally could tell what was exactly going on.

I am 5’0 so always prefer a seat in the stands. Everyone is always taller then me and I too don’t like being squeezed into a standing room crowd.

Lessons learned for everyone but it’s tragic that lives were lost ?.
 
I'm not sure what they really could have done in the situation, but there are reports of Kylie and Kendall Jenner walking past multiple people lying on the ground receiving medical attention, while being escorted by multiple bodyguards, then claiming they had no idea that anything had happened.
 
allezfred said:
This is how as a musical performer you handle someone having medical issue at a concert:

Click to expand...

This is kind of a cheap shot. I saw Adele's concert on DVD where she performed at the Royal Albert Hall. Which is assigned seating and just over 5,000 seats. The Travis Scott concert was 50,000 people and festival seating.

Travis Scott's job is to perform a concert. Producers and agents and other people who work for him book his venues and deal with all logistical matters, including safety matters. On top of that, cities have ordinances and rules that have to be followed and are to be enforced by city staff and by the police force. And thirdly, the venues has rules and all kinds of staff present to ensure safety and follow all established protocol.

Expecting Travis Scott to have the same awareness of 50,000 people compared to Adele's 5,000 is a low blow.
 
From reading about the chaos that has occurred at his concerts the tragedy is not surprising. I don’t know Scott’s role in Houston but history suggests that we shouldn’t be surprised if he acted irresponsibly.
 
PeterG said:
This is kind of a cheap shot. I saw Adele's concert on DVD where she performed at the Royal Albert Hall. Which is assigned seating and just over 5,000 seats. The Travis Scott concert was 50,000 people and festival seating.

Travis Scott's job is to perform a concert. Producers and agents and other people who work for him book his venues and deal with all logistical matters, including safety matters. On top of that, cities have ordinances and rules that have to be followed and are to be enforced by city staff and by the police force. And thirdly, the venues has rules and all kinds of staff present to ensure safety and follow all established protocol.

Expecting Travis Scott to have the same awareness of 50,000 people compared to Adele's 5,000 is a low blow.
Click to expand...
There's been videos all over Reddit since the weekend of various bands including Billie Eilish, Foo Fighters, Arcade Fire, Linkin Park and a reference to a U2 concert in the 80's where Bono jumped into the crowd to help someone who was getting crushed all stopping the shows to help people who were in distress. All in venues of various sizes or at festivals.

Travis Scott has a history of encouraging these kinds of situations at his shows and ultimately it doesn't really matter whether he could see what was going on or not. The festival is put on by him, Astroworld is named after an album he put out so the festival is his responsibility. The fact that he finished his set while people were actively trying to get him to stop and then Drake came on to perform afterwards and they still didn't stop everything indicates a lot of irresponsibility on his part and the part of anyone else involved in putting the festival on.
 
PeterG said:
This is kind of a cheap shot. I saw Adele's concert on DVD where she performed at the Royal Albert Hall. Which is assigned seating and just over 5,000 seats. The Travis Scott concert was 50,000 people and festival seating.

Travis Scott's job is to perform a concert. Producers and agents and other people who work for him book his venues and deal with all logistical matters, including safety matters. On top of that, cities have ordinances and rules that have to be followed and are to be enforced by city staff and by the police force. And thirdly, the venues has rules and all kinds of staff present to ensure safety and follow all established protocol.

Expecting Travis Scott to have the same awareness of 50,000 people compared to Adele's 5,000 is a low blow.
Click to expand...
It is a lower blow defending someone who was warned prior to the concert about the safety of his fans who still went ahead with the concert.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)

Similar threads

V
Wildfires in Maui Hawaii forcing evacuations
2 3 4
Replies
112
Views
13K
Vash01
V
Frau Muller
UNC (Chapel Hill) shooter
Replies
0
Views
620
Frau Muller
Frau Muller
YukiNieve
2024-2025 Winter Ice Shows in Japan (Echoes of Life, Kassouya, Nagoya Figure Skate Festival, PIW & more)
Replies
28
Views
6K
kwanette
K
Sylvia
Lorraine Hanlon Comanor: "I Was Supposed to Be on the 1961 Flight That Crashed, Killing the U.S. Skating Team"
Replies
1
Views
1K
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)
Sylvia
Major earthquake in Taiwan (and a 4.8 temblor in New Jersey)
Replies
4
Views
1K
Sylvia
Sylvia
Back
Top
Do Not Sell My Personal Information