4 CC 2021 in Sydney are cancelled...

[cholla]

This has just been released by the I.S.U.

 

[seabm7]

https://www.isu.org/media-centre/press-releases/2020-6/25124-cancellation-of-isu-four-continents-championships-2021-and-provisional-allotments-of-isu-championships-2022-and-2023/file

Instead, ISU gave 2023 4CC to Sidney.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

This year. But I'm glad Australia will be getting 4CC's in 2023. Long past time to have it there.

 

[Vagabond]

Instead, ISU gave 2023 4CC to Sidney.

Lightning can't strike three times in the same place, can it?

 

[Debbie S]

Not surprising but glad AUS will have a chance to host 4CC again.

 

[Colonel Green]

With all the travel restrictions between countries, not to mention the host location, the writing was on the wall for this one. Glad to see them getting another crack at it soon, though. Here’s to 2023 (which should be an interesting one; changing of the guard in some disciplines, especially dance).

Conceivably Euros could still happen, but with some countries unable to go.

Worlds is also iffy, but whether or not it happens, the ISU has to abandon the idea of using 2021 Worlds to determine Olympic spots, because at this point there is absolutely no way that’s going to be a fair way to do it.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Very glad to see they awarded them another 4CC, hopefully when we can definitely have it, but this year just wasn't going to happen.

 

[Karen-W]

What a bummer for Australia but it was expected. I'm glad they were awarded 2023.

 

[Bellanca]

Too many traveling restrictions and hurdles to overcome, not to mention many skaters would have probably taken a pass anyway. 4CC cannot catch a break. To this day, it continues to be considered a b-rated comp. This season aside, it's unfortunate that 4CC, which is supposed to be the equivalent of Euros, is not seen in the same light. Kudos to the skaters who chose to go in seasons past. For the moment, canceling 4CC (this year) is not a surprise—too much red tape.

 

[skatfan]

Not surprising given Australia's COVID-19 restrictions. The whole world-ranking points system is going to have to be scrapped at this point, given the GPs are either canceled or mostly in-country.

 

[MacMadame]

Worlds is also iffy, but whether or not it happens, the ISU has to abandon the idea of using 2021 Worlds to determine Olympic spots, because at this point there is absolutely no way that’s going to be a fair way to do it.

So how are they going to do it?

 

[mjb52]

Zoom panel of FSU members will decide, I award Russia five spots in all disciplines except ladies, in which they shall have six

 

[AxelAnnie]

Too many traveling restrictions and hurdles to overcome, not to mention many skaters would have probably taken a pass anyway. 4CC cannot catch a break. To this day, it continues to be considered a b-rated comp. This season aside, it's unfortunate that 4CC, which is supposed to be the equivalent of Euros, is not seen in the same light. Kudos to the skaters who chose to go in seasons past. For the moment, canceling 4CC (this year) is not a surprise—too much red tape.

It IS a B rated comp. Don't know what to do to fix it. But it has always lacked gravitas

 

[starrynight]

It IS a B rated comp. Don't know what to do to fix it. But it has always lacked gravitas

I reckon not have it so close to Worlds for starters.

The positioning of Euros in January helps. It gives athletes enough time to travel and make adjustments without impacting Worlds.

Canada and the USA might need to reschedule their nationals though.

 

[Colonel Green]

So how are they going to do it?

They might have to hold a really large qualifier in the fall (so basically Nebelhorn on steroids) or go off some measurement of standings in the whole of the fall season (which is how a number of spots for the recent Youth Olympics were qualified, for instance).

 

[Colonel Green]

It IS a B rated comp. Don't know what to do to fix it. But it has always lacked gravitas

I reckon not have it so close to Worlds for starters.

The positioning of Euros in January helps. It gives athletes enough time to travel and make adjustments without impacting Worlds.

Canada and the USA might need to reschedule their nationals though.

There isn't any way that you can magically give Four Continents the century-plus history of Euros. It just isn't possible.

That said, nothing about the current 4CC setup needs to change. We're already past the period where the big names routinely skip it. If you look at the Four Continents rosters from 2019 and 2020, almost everybody of importance showed up, and almost all those who didn't had an excuse rather than just 'I didn't want to go'.

 

[mjb52]

It's interesting because if you think about current powers in skating, really it's only Russia at Euros. France is really the only other country that's even arguably strong as an entirety and it's pretty on and off, especially with all the uncertainty now. Four Continents has China, Japan, South Korea, the US, Canada - it should be stronger if anything. But it does still seem to lack a certain romance.

 

[misskarne]

Gutted. Absolutely gutted. Knew it was coming but still gutted.

To this day, it continues to be considered a b-rated comp.

Only by people with no brains.

It IS a B rated comp. Don't know what to do to fix it. But it has always lacked gravitas

It's NOT a B-rated comp, or have you forgotten the incredible skating we've seen there in the last few years, definitely better than anything we saw at Euros.

 

[allezfred]

It's NOT a B-rated comp, or have you forgotten the incredible skating we've seen there in the last few years, definitely better than anything we saw at Euros.

But does Four Continents have warm-up music from obscure Eurovision entries? I think you’ll find the answer is no.

 

[Immortelle]

Zoom panel of FSU members will decide, I award Russia five spots in all disciplines except ladies, in which they shall have six

Just imagining the men’s comp with five Russian men!!

 

[Orm Irian]

https://www.isu.org/media-centre/press-releases/2020-6/25124-cancellation-of-isu-four-continents-championships-2021-and-provisional-allotments-of-isu-championships-2022-and-2023/file

Instead, ISU gave 2023 4CC to Sidney.

Like I said in the other thread, I’m sad this had to happen but glad that it’s been done well in advance and that the event can’t be turned into a domestic political football for a premier who badly needs a win right now. And it’s good of them to give us a replacement date right off the bat.

 

[Orm Irian]

It IS a B rated comp. Don't know what to do to fix it. But it has always lacked gravitas

At least it’s not Russian Nationals 2.0.

 

[mjb52]

Just imagining the men’s comp with five Russian men!!

Aliev, Danielyan, Kolyada, Samarin (don't want to get in trouble), and young gun of your choice (Mozalev, Gummenik, etc...). DONE.

 

[misskarne]

Like I said in the other thread, I’m sad this had to happen but glad that it’s been done well in advance and that the event can’t be turned into a domestic political football for a premier who badly needs a win right now. And it’s good of them to give us a replacement date right off the bat.

That's a good point. With 4CC being the only major sporting event in Sydney in February, there was no way this wouldn't turn into some kind of political arm-wrestle.

 

[marbri]

But does Four Continents have warm-up music from obscure Eurovision entries? I think you’ll find the answer is no.

They might when if finally takes place in Australia

 

[Meoima]

Given the situation in Sweden, we might have to cancel WC as well. Eh?

 

[allezfred]

They might when if finally takes place in Australia

Until there is a time when Japan or Korea or Canada or the US competes at Eurovision, we are safe.

 

[JasperBoy]

Instead, ISU gave 2023 4CC to Sidney.

Isn't that the small town on Vancouver Island, BC?

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Isn't that the small town on Vancouver Island, BC?

Typos rock.

Apparently there is a story of a couple wanting to visit 'Sidney', and the travel agent sent them to Canada by mistake.

 

[victorskid]

Given the situation in Sweden, we might have to cancel WC as well. Eh?

It is not just any situation that might exist in Sweden, it is also the situation in other countries, travel restrictions, quarantine requirements, etc.