2026 Olys Free Dance PBP - Whale, Are We Ready For Some Bull Sheet Scores?

[peibeck]

You keep repeating this with so much confidence you almost sound like you know what you are talking about.

Again I give you this:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/145468805

Educate yourself!

I'm not begrudging FBC's win. I said they would win back at the French GP. But their lifts are not as difficult as Smart/Dieck, Lopereva/Brissaud, Chock/Bate, Zingas/Kolesnik, the Disco Brits or even the Lithuanians. They may meet the ISU required measurement to reach level 4, but that doesn't mean others are doing more difficult variations.

IAM has plenty of their lower level teams (as evidenced at 4CC) doing the same hydro curve lift FBC do in the FD as a choreographic element. (The only difference being FBC do two back to back).

I know you're happy FBC won, but I don't need to educate MYSELF that every element they do is by far the most difficult variation of said element.

I'm fine with the podium based on the skating, so take it somewhere else if you think I was attacking your favorites for making an observation.

 

[allezfred]

Apparently, you missed my point about BLATANT MISTAKES, being overlooked.

They weren’t overlooked. He only got Level 3 for his twizzles and lower GOE. The American judge gave it a +2….

 

[Bunny Hop]

I am that people are discussing Kwan vs Lipinski in this thread (for the record, I was Team Kwan).

 

[miffy]

what are we all going to do with a day off tomorrow?

Watch snowboard cross

I think we need a day off to get over tonight. It would have been tough whatever happened. Imagine if the Brits and the Italians had skated as well as Paul and Piper did…

 

[Skaterbob]

I am that people are discussing Kwan vs Lipinski in this thread (for the record, I was Team Kwan).

You are/were correct!

 

[mattiecat13]

I hope Chock and Bates are competing at worlds. We need to hold onto the three spots for next year.

But would they want to risk finishing second again? And after already winning three world championship gold medals, why bother.

 

[jlai]

They weren’t overlooked. He only got Level 3 for his twizzles and lower GOE. The American judge gave it a +2….

I do get both sides of the argument. At the end of the day it is emotionally unsatisfying to have the winner not skate all out and clean. Like g/p

I can’t get angry for c/b whom I am sure got their fair share of luck gone their side in the last few years

 

[OrioleBeagle]

But would they want to risk finishing second again? And after already winning three world championship gold medals, why bother.

The only positive of them skipping worlds would be that my favorite team Green/Parsons (from my State of Maryland) would get to compete. If they go to worlds we need someone to hand them a Maryland flag when they come off the ice.

 

[MsZem]

I am that people are discussing Kwan vs Lipinski in this thread (for the record, I was Team Kwan).

Purple coffee yogurt.

 

[Jammers]

Wow Fournier Beaudry goes from also ran to Olympic champion in less then two years. Good for her i guess.

 

[MINAM]

Well, another great event. Was torn between the 3 teams.

Loved Zingas/Kolesnik. And surprisingly, Reed/Ambrulevisius (hoping I spelled his name correctly).
Gutted for Pears/Gibson.

NHK had Tatsuki Machida as their commentator. While I like him, I cringe a little bit when he starts describing the programs. His tone is soft but what he speaks is dramatic. I just can't explain.
That said, he was correct in saying that it will be a very tough competition.

 

[allezfred]

I don't need to educate MYSELF

Fine. Wallow in your own ignorance. But just because something looks easy doesn’t mean it is.

 

[Private Citizen]

People are so busy fretting over a twizzle that was penalised they are missing the fact that Z/K had the lowest base value of the top eleven teams and received the score they did.

I get they are up and coming but come on

I agree they were a bit overscored. In ice dance, I always look for a political explanation first because it’s usually the reason . In this case, inflating the scores of one American team is a good distraction against dropping another. No bias here, no, look at the miraculous rise of that team over there. I predict they’ll drop when C&B are gone and the politics change. Z&K scoring highly was a signal that the politics would not be with C&B. L&B and L&L were both sacrificial lambs for the top teams in their country.

The only positive of them skipping worlds would be that my favorite team Green/Parsons (from my State of Maryland) would get to compete.

I don't see any reason for C&B to go to Worlds to help guarantee three spots for next year, v. just letting three teams go this year. Someone (Green & Parsons) definitely loses an opportunity if they go this year v. someone hypothetically losing an opportunity next year if they skip. It's possible Z&K and C&P could still get to 13 points depending who else skips.

 

[tony]

Since we put so much weight on comments from people who were actually in the arena:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021709920366940356

She sat with us, and she was very clearly in favor of Guillaume and Laurence and went into a laundry list of reasons

 

[Private Citizen]

I think ice dance scoring is full of false precision and it's not really possible to do more than segment teams in most cases, but I'd trust Charlene Guignard and Marco Fabbri over Polina Edmunds, personally.

 

[tony]

I think ice dance scoring is full of false precision and it's not really possible to do more than segment teams in most cases, but I'd trust Charlene Guignard and Marco Fabbri over Polina Edmunds, personally.

Everyone is going to grab the example that works for them.

 

[peibeck]

Fine. Wallow in your own ignorance. But just because something looks easy doesn’t mean it is.

If you want to lecture someone in ice dance try the FRENCH JUDGE who put the Lithuanians in FOURTH.

 

[Skaterbob]

Chock and Bates quotes from Golden Skate:

Madison: "It's definitely a bittersweet feeling at the moment. We have so much to be proud of. We've had the most incredible career, 15 years on the ice together. We delivered four of our best performances this week. I'm really proud of how we've handled ourselves and what we've accomplished here. I'm really grateful to our coaches and our families. They've come all this way and supported us through it all. It means so much to us to be a part of the sport and to have contributed years of work and creativity to fully inspire the next generation of skaters to be the best they can be and be creative and love what they do."

Evan: "We just performed four times in six days at the Olympics. We've never done anything like it, and it took so much mental strength and discipline to stay focused over the last six days and to deliver four great performances. At the end of the fourth one, the emotions just came flooding out because it's just a lot. And we really did our best. I think that is something that we'll try to remember and focus on most. We really did our best. We delivered every time we stepped on the ice."

Evan: "Life is... Sometimes you can feel like you do everything right and it doesn't go your way. And that's life and that's sport, and it's a subjective sport, it's a judge sport. One fact, we did our best, we skated our best. We felt like we were very close."

https://x.com/goldenskate/status/2021727094540316981?s=20

 

[peibeck]

I think ice dance scoring is full of false precision and it's not really possible to do more than segment teams in most cases, but I'd trust Charlene Guignard and Marco Fabbri over Polina Edmunds, personally.

And it's not like Polina was a master of edges herself...

 

[Skaterbob]

Everyone is going to grab the example that works for them.

Of course that is why allez links to you and you link to Polina. lol I'm glad you understand what you are doing at least.

 

[tony]

Of course that is why allez links to you and you link to Polina. lol I'm glad you understand what you are doing at least.

I didn’t link to Polina. What are you on?

 

[Skaterbob]

I didn’t link to Polina. What are you on?

Sorry my mistake. You just mentioned you sat next/near to her a few times already.

 

[allezfred]

I think ice dance scoring is full of false precision and it's not really possible to do more than segment teams in most cases, but I'd trust Charlene Guignard and Marco Fabbri over Polina Edmunds, personally.

You’d trust the people who chose those programmes for themselves in an Olympic year?

 

[Spikefan]

I am that people are discussing Kwan vs Lipinski in this thread (for the record, I was Team Kwan).

Kwan posted cheering for Chock/Bates on Monday, so it’s relevant.

 

[Skaterbob]

You’d trust the people who chose those programmes for themselves in an Olympic year?

You do have a great point. Hahaha. I'm glad Babs seemed super chill and supportive only today and during the RD.

 

[Private Citizen]

Everyone is going to grab the example that works for them.

I don't disagree with you, but does Polina Edmunds have any special credentials in ice dance? Allezfred quoted her as if she were an authoritative source. She's a former singles skater with an opinion... of which there were countless in the arena. I'm not sure why anyone should give her opinion extra weight, but she's welcome to do a podcast or something to prove me wrong.

Guignard and Fabbri are a sample size of two from a population of 36 ice dancers who didn't win gold or silver. They're by no means definitive sources, but on paper their credentials are better IMO. Perhaps other ice dancers in the arena who watched thought FB&C were better. I would be interested in their opinions.

 

[peibeck]

Given everything Babs has been through this year, I'm just thankful she's here to support the Italian skaters.

 

[Skaterbob]

And it's not like Polina was a master of edges herself...

But she just choose to use the wrong edges. There is a difference!

I'm just kidding I don't remember much about Polina's skating at all besides maybe Charlie White (?) skating she could twizzle better than a lot of people. So that is something?

 

[tony]

I don't disagree with you, but does Polina Edmunds have any special credentials in ice dance? Allezfred quoted her as if she were an authoritative source. She's a former singles skater with an opinion... of which there were countless in the arena. I'm not sure why anyone should give her opinion extra weight, but she's welcome to do a podcast or something to prove me wrong.

Guignard and Fabbri are a sample size of two from a population of 36 ice dancers who didn't win gold or silver. They're by no means definitive sources, but on paper their credentials are better IMO. Perhaps other ice dancers in the arena who watched thought FB&C were better. I would be interested in their opinions.

I’m not arguing who is better- I said people will continue to use an example that fits them whether the example is appropriate or not - people are selectively reading the mentioning I made about all of IAM and everyone at the boards clearly being in favor of one team- obviously it’s Chock and Bates.

And ETA Babs was part of it

 

[Private Citizen]

Interesting that Chock and Bates won five judges on the panel to FB&C's four:

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C&B: GEO, FIN, USA, ITA, CHN
F-B&C: FRA, ESP, CAN, CZE

The judges who put F-B&C ahead put them ahead by a much wider margin. The French judge had FB&C eight points ahead of C&B.

Kudos to the Finnish judge who gave F-B&C's twizzles 0 GOE, which I'm quite confident a lesser team would've received.