2025 GPF Men SP - “Dude Where’s My Costume?”

RoseAugust said:
The short program as skated by Kagiyama was everything! I don't think I've enjoyed "skating" like that since Patrick Chan. Edges, flow, musicality, jumps ...
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Yes! He does really remind me of Patrick which is part of why I love Yuma so much. I’m beyond thrilled with his skate today. The program is such a great vehicle for him.

Really enjoyed Shun as well. He continues to grow as a performer. I’m sure Ilia will come back strong in the long.
 
I like Ilia and Adam but today is a day to celebrate Yuma. That was sublime. He has everything and he isn't "contained" or too cerebral. He engages with the judges and audience. He looks up and out. He brings you in and on top of all of his other wonderful attributes that is special indeed.
 
So pumped for Yuma to deliver a great skate at home! It was marvelous.

Ilia had some real competition for a change. This skate reminded me of his free skate in 2023 in San Jose. But actually I am glad that he is not perfect before Milano - I remember all the hype about Nathan before 2018 and it didn't do him any favors...
 
Coco said:
If he was clearly attempting a 4a as his solo jump, but got hit with <<, and did a 3a for his axel requirement, would his 4a<< be seen as an illegally repeated jump?

I am assuming you still can't repeat a jump unless doing it in combination with the repeated version, like 3t3t
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No. In the very first version of COP yes. Because they would call poorly-rotated jumps as their lesser value and it would get skaters in trouble with repeating. But now it would just be 4A<< and 3A and still be fine.
 
skatfan said:
So pumped for Yuma to deliver a great skate at home! It was marvelous.

Ilia had some real competition for a change. This skate reminded me of his free skate in 2023 in San Jose. But actually I am glad that he is not perfect before Milano - I remember all the hype about Nathan before 2018 and it didn't do him any favors...
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Yeah but he pulled a Nathan in 2018 at the Olympics and changed his layout for the SP including the 4axel which he hasn't needed all season. If he loses in Milano it will be his ego getting the better of him and taking unnecessary risks. Losing here might be the best thing for him just like Nathan losing at Skate America in 2021 might have been a wakeup call for him. Ilia doesn't even need to win the SP just stay within a few points like his normal SP score this season would have done a 3 point deficit is nothing with his FS layout but bombing like this puts him in a unnecessary hole.
 
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Yuma - just sheer briliance and a great interpreter of a wide range of music.

Sato - lovely textbook quads but the taste level of his packaging is so blah. Meh music, heinous costume and skating through it all with kind of a blank/pained expression (feeling the music I guess) just leaves the viewer a bit cold.

Malinin - why would he go for a 4A+3T in the first half? Doesn't he get more points doing a solo 4A and then a 4Lz+3T in the bonus section (which is what ultimately happened)? Anyway, very tight skate for him.

Grassl - gotta give cred where cred due - he really cleaned up his 4Lz.

Adam - mess. If the commentators are right I guess he's solely focused on peaking at the Olympics lol.

Mikhail - another mess. Too bad he couldn't capitalize on his World Silver momentum. This whole season has been such a misfire for him.
 
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When Ilia was putting the 4A into his programs, when in the season did he start? I was thinking he left it a bit late this season and needed more miles with the jump, especially if he planned to add a triple toe.
 
SkateSand said:
When Ilia was putting the 4A into his programs, when in the season did he start? I was thinking he left it a bit late this season and needed more miles with the jump, especially if he planned to add a triple toe.
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This was the first competition where he tried this particular layout for the SP. At his first 3 comps the layout was 4F, 3A, 4Lz+3T. He's tried new layouts before at the GPF, so this isn't necessarily surprising that he'd go for it here. What remains to be seen is whether or not he persists in this layout for the rest of the season or goes back to what was working beautifully earlier in the season. If there was one comp where he could afford to play around with the jump layout, the GPF is it, IMO.
 
Ilia's in control of his quest for Olympic gold. He could probably do it in his sleep with a Lutz and flip in the SP and maybe just 3 quads in the free skate because he's that far ahead otherwise and the main contenders behind him aren't exactly models of consistency.

This competition means zero in that quest. Now was the time to challenge himself and it didn't work out. But it's not like someone else can suddenly become the favorite even with a loss here because of his commanding TES lead.
 
NinjaTurtles said:
Prerotation aside, what degree underrotated do you argue this is? The back of the blade looks to be ~ 90 degree angle / 3 o’clock ?
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Pushing 180 degrees. Even before the skid. He lands the completely opposite direction of where he should be and very visibly turns 90 degrees and then 90 degrees again to get the backward flow that he should’ve had to start.
 
tony said:
Pushing 180 degrees. Even before the skid. He lands the completely opposite direction of where he should be and very visibly turns 90 degrees and then 90 degrees again to get the backward flow that he should’ve had to start.
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I agree it’s 180 from where the blade exited the ice and started the in-air rotation. I wonder if part of the issue is judges being lazy about it and treating the start of the entry with blade still assisting on ice for the takeoff as the starting direction/angle. Relying only on looking at the hips and not the blade and its position on the ice: https://imgur.com/a/p42HE9w

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NinjaTurtles said:
I agree it’s 180 from where the blade exited the ice and started the in-air rotation. I wonder if part of the issue is judges being lazy about it and treating the start of the entry with blade still assisting on ice for the takeoff as the starting direction/angle. Relying only on looking at the hips and not the blade and its position on the ice: https://imgur.com/a/p42HE9w
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To be honest I think it's just them looking the other way pretty consistently in this competition (and many others) to avoid the big loss of base value that would come with < or even <<. Adam's Lutz, same thing. His blade literally dug into the ice and got stuck about 120 degrees short and was clearly a <
 
tony said:
To be honest I think it's just them looking the other way pretty consistently in this competition (and many others) to avoid the big loss of base value that would come with < or even <<. Adam's Lutz, same thing. His blade literally dug into the ice and got stuck about 120 degrees short and was clearly a <
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I think likely it’s both. The concept of ‘q’ is preposterously specific and it’s just another discretionary tool. But there also appears to be variability of opinion in what is considered pre-rotation and how it should be used to measure rotation and execution. The mechanics of the different jumps lend themselves to different amounts of routine pre-rotation, which gives an excuse to tolerate fudging the concept of rotation (or arguing for 90 degrees or less under is simply reasonably acceptable).
 
NinjaTurtles said:
I think likely it’s both. The concept of ‘q’ is preposterously specific and it’s just another discretionary tool. But there also appears to be variability of opinion in what is considered pre-rotation and how it should be used to measure rotation and execution. The mechanics of the different jumps lend themselves to different amounts of routine pre-rotation, which gives an excuse to tolerate fudging the concept of rotation (or arguing for 90 degrees or less under is simply reasonably acceptable).
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But even in the case of Adam, it’s a CLEAR underrotation not even taking into account that he prerotates by 1/2 a rotation and also goes down onto the flat of the blade completely (like a loop) before going up. It’s a very common technique now, Uno did it every time with most of his ‘quad’ attempts too.

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The Skating Session by Tony Wheeler on Instagram: "Another ‘q’ call from yesterday."

300 likes, 23 comments - theskatingsession on December 5, 2025: "Another ‘q’ call from yesterday.".
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I don’t like how it’s used to either make or break skaters because yeah, no one is measuring exactly 90 degrees when they cry about the camera angle every other day.
 
Grassl, blah.

Adam, you did not need nipples painted on your top. Nobody is in doubt about you having nipples like other humans. We just didn’t want to know about it.

Poor Shaidorov is having a rough follow-up to last season. I know he’s an adult but I kind of want to give him a lollipop and a teddy bear. And reassure him.

Sato, little man in lavender. Just keeps plugging away with pretty solid performances.

YUMA! I just love this fun program for him. Nice to see him being jazzy and playful. Smooooooooth performance. Judge 2 is nuts giving him an 8.75.

Ilia. Baby poop brown pants? I had a hard time seeing anything else. Obviously the 4a didn’t work, but the other jumps looked not as easy as usual. PS don’t care about your raspberry twist.
 
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