2024 NHK Trophy Mens FS PBP - How Now Brown Kay-O?

[genevieve]

I have a vintage '50s dress with the same blue black pattern as Frangipani's shirt

 

[tony]

That's not fair either.

But if PCS are scored a certain way, skaters can count on that and make it part of their strategy. If there are different standards for different skaters, then they can't.

Jason Brown has mastery over his skates, intricate choreography, and you continue to argue about this and how his PCS, 10 points or so less than his norm, is overscored by the judges. I really don't get what people want. You watch every competition. He's not getting a 70 PCS because his triple Axel has gone missing. The end.

 

[MacMadame]

Jason Brown has mastery over his skates, intricate choreography, and you continue to argue about this and how his PCS, 10 points or so less than his norm, is overscored by the judges. I really don't get what people want. You watch every competition. He's not getting a 70 PCS because his triple Axel has gone missing. The end.

He shouldn't have beaten Tomoki in the FS.

ETA you decided I was arguing that his PCS should be 10 points lower. I don't know where you go that from as I never said that.

 

[tangerine dream]

That's not fair either.

But if PCS are scored a certain way, skaters can count on that and make it part of their strategy. If there are different standards for different skaters, then they can't.

Unfortunately, there have always been different standards for different skaters. Even during 6.0.

 

[MacMadame]

Unfortunately, there have always been different standards for different skaters. Even during 6.0.

Well, that's true. And it sucks, too.

 

[Jay42]

Is Matteo's program his FS from last season?

 

[genevieve]

oh Coldplay, really?? Aren't things dire enough in the world?

 

[Karen-W]

"Mat-ti-yo" - mark off "badly mangles skater's name if you haven't already!

 

[tony]

He shouldn't have beaten Tomoki in the FS.

You literally began this exchange by saying he was held up, I asked where, you said the PCS and then proceeded to say that the judges wouldn't give that PCS if it weren't him, even if it's supposed to be that way on paper.

So again, you're here arguing that the judges maybe did the right thing but you don't like it because they apparently only do it for him (noting here you said "if it wasn't Jason Brown" -- meaning him), but you know damn well all the quadsters including Malinin constantly, and I mean constantly are way overscored in PCS for not doing much of anything. Jason at least has the quantitative analysis to say hmm, he deserves this.

We are just going to go in circles, but I never thought I'd be arguing with someone who doesn't want the rules applied logically because it isn't at other times.

 

[Karen-W]

Is Matteo's program his FS from last season?

Yes - the one he switched to just for Euros.

 

[Karen-W]

"packing in the content now!"

 

[tangerine dream]

"Mat-ti-yo" - mark off "badly mangles skater's name if you haven't already!

"Badly mangles skater's name" should be the center square for every Chris bingo.

 

[Karen-W]

Did Matteo have this fist pumping/finger pointing in his program last year?

 

[tony]

I feel like he's had the same variation of the short program forever, and I feel like I'm always watching the same free skate from him, too. I don't know why I just don't connect all that much with Matteo's skating. He's pleasant, has decent technique but there's something show-y about the programs.

 

[Jay42]

I hate Coldplay but I love Matteo skating well so at least there's that

 

[tangerine dream]

Is it weird that the Shibs' FD started playing in my head at the part of their music where the twizzles were placed?

 

[MacMadame]

He got a standing O. Well, all righty then.

 

[tony]

Is it weird that the Shibs' FD started playing in my head at the part of their music where the twizzles were placed?

It's one of the best placements of twizzles in a program ever, and whenever I hear the song I think of it, too.

 

[Karen-W]

LMAO! He just called him "Matthew!"

 

[npavel]

He got everyone engaged with handklapping and ooo him

 

[MacMadame]

Molesting the camera. That's a new one.

 

[MacMadame]

We are just going to go in circles,

We are but part of that is that you decided I meant something I didn't and have been arguing it over and over. I never said his PCS should be 10 points lower. Just lower than they were.

Here's the thing, Tomoki was on fire, his program was interesting and suits him. Brown's program is fine and he has great skating skills but SS is only one mark in the PCS. As for performance, he's been much better. The mistakes on the axels take me out of the program and every time he jumps, I hold my breath so that takes me out too. And the choreography is fine but, again, he's had much better. This program is certainly not as interesting as Tomoki's IMO.

So I'd lower his PCS and I'd question some of the GOEs on those jumps too.

ETA and I'd give Tomoki more for Performance too. 7.9? Too low. CO is way too low at 6.79.

 

[tangerine dream]

If anyone has overly literal costume on their bingo, I think we can check that off for Litvintsev.

 

[genevieve]

Lord we are in a different group and neither of them are going to medal so can y’all agree to disagree so we can all move on?

 

[alj5]

I don't think I can hang in there any longer. I've been up for nearly 20 hours.

My only question is why is Daniel Grassl wearing the Official Canadian Men's costume of black pants and a white shirt?

Good luck to all the skaters in the last group.

 

[tony]

We are but part of that is that you decided I meant something I didn't and have been arguing it over and over. I never said his PCS should be 10 points lower. Just lower than they were.

And I'm asking why you think that, to which you said other skaters not named Jason Brown would have seen a drop. Not that he actually deserved it-- you've never once argued that in your replies. Quite the opposite in fact.

I still ask how he can go from mid-90's PCS constantly to mid-80's and it's still too high, if we are going by actual criteria for each component.

Here's the thing, Tomoki was on fire, his program was interesting and suits him. Brown's program is fine and he has great skating skills but SS is only one mark in the PCS. As for performance, he's been much better. The mistakes on the axels take me out of the program and every time he jumps, I hold my breath so that takes me out too. And the choreography is fine but, again, he's had much better. This program is certainly not as interesting as Tomoki's IMO.

So I'd lower his PCS and I'd question some of the GOEs on those jumps too.

You don't know what the GOE ended up being for the jumps, but this is a new addition to your complaints. We do know thanks to Chris that Jason got at least one (probably two) < calls. That changes the GOE. Tomoki crawls into his jumps, the quad toe wasn't rotated, the Axels go up and down with zero flow out and are tight as it is, and he's in and out of the program, too. There was not intricacy in the skating and there was nowhere near the mastery of the blade as compared to what Jason showed.

But all that aside, you keep arguing (you, not me) that the judges are unfairly giving Jason PCS he may actually deserve because they don't do that for other skaters. But they do. Time and time again. For skaters that don't have anywhere near the skill that he has.

And I promise this is it about this. Carrying on.

 

[genevieve]

I'm so loopy I thought Christ said Litvintsev was from Asvagina

 

[Karen-W]

Obvious warhorse for the win!

 

[MacMadame]

If anyone has overly literal costume on their bingo, I think we can check that off for Litvintsev.

Literal choreography too.

 

[MacMadame]

Obvious warhorse for the win!

Whose costume are you going to kill?